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Was Re: [browser bitching] Now: considerations for user controlled browser segmentation
by o1bigtenor 15 Dec '17

15 Dec '17

Anyone who understands this topic better (and there are likely lots of you) please modify the subject! On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 7:59 AM, Steve Petrie, P.Eng. <apetrie(a)aspetrie.net> wrote: > Please see my comments below. > > With apologies for wordiness ... > > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- From: o1bigtenor via talk >>>> To: Alvin Starr ; GTALUG Talk >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:22 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Programming languages (in comparison?) - -was >>>> Learn Swift for Apple/iOS. Learn ??? for Google/Android. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 7:32 AM, Alvin Starr via talk <talk(a)gtalug.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 12/11/2017 12:29 AM, Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2017-12-10 09:50 PM, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: >>>> >>>> <snip> >>>> >>>> FF57 is much cleaner than before, and is at least as fast as Chrome. You >>>> can quit FF, then have it restart with all your windows and tabs open. >>>> The clever part is, it'll only render that tab when it gets focus, so >>>> you could have hundreds of tabs open yet only a few loaded. So while I'm >>>> pretty sure it won't fit your needs of an entire Starbucks-load of pages >>>> in the one browser, it might get a little closer than FF <57. >>>> >>>> The trouble is that more and more services, systems and applications >>>> are using HTML as the interface. >>>> So you will find yourself with pages(tabs) open in your browser instead >>>> of applications open on your desktop. >>>> >>>> <snip> >>>> >>>> It sounds like I'm not the only one who has issues with browsers - - - >>>> thank you! >>>> >>>> Perhaps it is time that browsers were split into parts that do separate >>>> things, >>>> and things that could be managed by the USERS of those browsers rather >>>> than by the advertising (I'll use the word people although I would >>>> much rather >>>> not include them as such) people that think they do own my desktop. >>>> >>>> If the browser coders were actually listening to their users this would >>>> have >>>> already been happening! >>>> >>>> >>>> > It seems to me that there's a clue in the above proposal by Dee, quoted > here:: "Perhaps it is time that browsers were split into parts that do > separate things, and things that could be managed by the USERS of those > browsers rather than by the advertising". > > Dee complains when current browser technology is unable to cope gracefully > with his huge web page workload. > > I also suffer a browser resource contraint problem, but mine is due to my > outdated PC and Internet hookup. 1. use an extremely amcient operating > system (Win XP SP3 until I get moved to a new PC with debian Linux.), and > 2. the low bandwidth of my current Internet connection (approx. 46 Kbps > over landline telephone dial-up modem). > > My survivalist approach to using current browsers (FF and Comodo Dragon) > is to start the desired page (or maybe two or three pages, max.) loading, > and then I turn my attention to some other task, checking occasionally to > see if the page(s) has(ve) finished loading the vast quantities of: useless > eye-candy "rich" content, unwanted adware, great gobs of JavaScript crud, a > zillion videos I don't care to see, etc., etc. > > * * * > * * * > > It seems to me that the clue in Dee's pronouncement that I quoted, is to > take back control of the page load / display experience from the PROVIDER > of the page (often an arrogant rich titanic-scale oligarchic zillionaire > e.g amazon, google) , and give that control back to the CONSUMER of the > page. > > To my way of thinking, regaining browsing control and freedom, begins with > getting rid of the idea that the web browser is a monolithic opaque black > box that LOADS AND RENDERS A COMPLETE WEB PAGE AT A TIME. Currently, the > browser user is faced with an all-or-nothing choice. Either start a page > loading and wait until the browser has finished loading the entire page, or > don't try to view that page at all. > > I know that browsers do begin to render and display a page in parts, > before it has all been loaded and rendered internally by the browser. But > the designer of the browser controls the order of this progressive > rendering. And the order doesn't usually seem very helpful to me. > > * * * > * * * > > If we take Dee's idea: "it is time that browsers were split into parts > that do separate things, and things that could be managed by the USERS" as > a guiding principle, what can a browser developer do, to give more control > and power back to the user of the browser, and prevent the provider of th > page from dominating the page view esperience ?? > > WHAT I WOULD LIKE, IS TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL THE WEB BROWSER AT THE LEVEL > OF INDIVIDUAL ELEMENTS OF HTML ITSELF. I WOULD LIKE THE BROWSER START A > PAGE LOAD, BY PRESENTING TO ME, A COMPACT AND EASILY-NAVIGABLE > TREE-STRUCTURED LARGELY TEXTUAL REPRESENTATION OF THE WEB PAGE'S HTML > STRUCTURE. > > Then, I can scroll around to inspect all that nicely formatted and > coloured HTML textual rep, pick the parts of the page that I think would be > worthwhile actually loading and rendering, and set the browser loading only > my chosen few page parts. And I can ask for thumbprints of graphic > elemesnts that might seem interesting to me, And I can see still shots from > a huge video / movie, without loading/ playing the whole thing. And I can > hear sample audio clips. > > An even more advanced p'n'c browser, could synthesize "subversive" > versions of the original web page, guided by the browser user, The > "subversive": page would load the valuable nuggets, and leave behind > untouched all the useless intrusive BS that the tech titans like to think > is twisting our souls into consumerist puppets. > > A "subversive" p'n'c-generated web page, would be like the grumpy nasty > bitchy smelly customer with the bulging shopping buggy, who barges up to > the counter of the fast food outlet, and demands an X-large Diet Coke WITH > NO ICE. In other words, I will take the good stuff ONLY, and leave all the > BS to the next (and more conformist / compliant / wimpsterist) customer. > > * * * > * * * > > No doubt, the "dream" of a navigable tree-structured pick'n'choose (p'n'c) > list rep of an HTML page would be complicated to implement. > > And it would need to provide plernty of of hints and help so naive users > would be able to understand the HTML in simplistic terms. > > Some regexp-driven highlighting could help the user in their pick'n'choose > navigation, too. And the p'n'c browser would come pre-loaded with regexps > that isolate and exclude lots of recognizeable adware / snoopware crap and > junk. Google and Amazon, etc. will ABSOLUTELY LOATHE the p'n'c browser and > that will be a VERY GOOD THING :) > > Preach it brother. I do NOT like my online life being controlled as much as it is and that controlling appears to be headed for greater levels (see FCC removal of net neutrality). > * * * > * * * > > There are text-mode web browsers out there that actually have no GUI, they > work at a command line prompt. But I decided I couldn't use them because: > either they offer no Win XP-compatible version, or they are not up to date > with current HTML technology. > > But no doubt, most of the basic building blocks of a p'n'c browser are > already available in open source libraries. So, the task of building the > p'n'c browser would be more of an integration challenge than a greenfield > coding challenge. > > An interesting axample of the kind of technololgy that could be harnessed > in a p'n'c browser, crossed my eyes today: > === > Headless Chrome and the Puppeteer Library for Scraping and Testing the > Web Wednesday 29 November > http://www.i-programmer.info/news/87/11344.html > > With the advent of Single Page Applications, scraping pages for > information as well as running automated user interaction tests has become > much harder due to its highly dynamic nature. The solution? Headless Chrome > and the Puppeteer library. > ... > There's just one caveat. Since CDP only works with Chromium, Chrome and > other Blink-based browsers, so does Puppeteer. If you require more than > that, then sticking to Selenium and its WebDriver API still remains the > best option.. > === > > The Selenium WebDriver API might be a useful code base to be considered, > in the design of the p'n'c "subversive incremental load" browser ... > > My 2 cents worth. OK - - - so any suggestions out there on how to achieve this, at least IMO worthy goal? Dee

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ServiceNow Developer with Javascript looking for a Contract?
by Bob Jonkman 13 Dec '17

13 Dec '17

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Links from my presentations last night
by Myles Braithwaite 👾 13 Dec '17

13 Dec '17

Terraform: * Presentation: <https://github.com/myles/2017-12-12-terraform/blob/master/2017-12-12-terraf…> * Example: <https://github.com/myles/2017-12-12-terraform/blob/master/example.tf> * Homepage: <https://www.terraform.io/> * Terraform Ansible Provision: <https://github.com/jonmorehouse/terraform-provisioner-ansible> How Completing in CTF Made Me a Better Linux User: * <https://dc416.com/> - The user group for InfoSec people that runs CTFs. * <https://www.vulnhub.com/> - VulnHub is a place to download VMs to get experience in digital security, computer software & network administration. * <https://ctftime.org/event/list/> - List of CTF events online in IRL. Facebook Prophet: * Homepage: <https://facebook.github.io/prophet/> * My Example Jupyter Notebook: <https://github.com/myles/notebooks/blob/master/Random/2017-11-29-historical…>

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keylogger in HP laptops
by William Park 12 Dec '17

12 Dec '17

Saw this in Peterborough LUG, and reposting here because a recent thread involved HP laptops. http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42309371 -- William Park <opengeometry(a)yahoo.ca>

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Intel's dangerous Management Engine may violate Minix 3's license
by D. Hugh Redelmeier 11 Dec '17

11 Dec '17

Pretty much every x86 processor / chipset Intel has produced recently has a Management Engine. That's a separate, invisible, 32-bit x86 processor used to implement a variety of features. For example AMT. These features are generally useless for Linux users since they are not disclosed in a way useful to open source. On the other had, vulnerabilities have been discovered in the ME that suggest it is a security risk to us all. Some think that the ME has been designed for Government Access. Here's the latest disclosure of a latest weakness. This isn't the first and won't be the last: <https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025619/software…> Pretty much all firmware ("BIOS") needs to be update but I suspect many vendors will neglect to do this. This blog has lots of interesting details (these guys found the bug(s)): <http://blog.ptsecurity.com/> It turns out that the Management Engine is running Minix 3. Minix 3 is released under a BSD-like license. The license requires "advertising": “Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution.” Intel is likely violating the license. <http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2017/12/02/supplying-legal-notices-free-software/>

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IBM Mainframe and z/OS
by R360 Design INC 10 Dec '17

10 Dec '17

Hello everyone, Does anyone know how I could gain hands-on experience on an IBM mainframe? This is a career path Id like to pursue - i.e. Websphere zOS consultant or CICS. I am currently a UoT student and was wondering how people gain experience -- r360design.ca -- r360design.ca

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[GTALUG-Announce] GTALUG Meeting on Tuesday 12 December at 7:30pm
by hi＠gtalug.org 08 Dec '17

08 Dec '17

<http://gtalug.org/meeting/2017-12/> # Lightning Talks Lighting Talks is GTALUG's version of an un-conference, a loosely structured short talks emphasizing the informal exchange of information and ideas between participants, rather than following a conventionally structured GTALUG meetings. If you would like to give a talk, all you have to do is write your name on a post-it and stick it on the whiteboard in the front of the room. When your talk get's picked you will have five uninterrupted minutes for you to present your idea, then five minutes of audience questions. ## Location George Vari Engineering and Computing Centre 245 Church Street, Room 203 Ryerson University <http://goo.gl/maps/16oJ2> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/23447525> ## Schedule * 6:00 pm - Please discuss on the general mailing list (i.e. <talk(a)gtalug.org>) where you want to go for dinner. * 7:30 pm - Meeting and presentation. * 9:00 pm - After each meeting, a group of GTALUGers move to The Imperial Pub (54 Dundas St East) for refreshments and more socialising. # Code of Conduct We want a productive happy community that can welcome new ideas, improve every process every year, and foster collaboration between individuals with differing needs, interests and skills. We gain strength from diversity, and actively seek participation from those who enhance it. This code of conduct exists to ensure that diverse groups collaborate to mutual advantage and enjoyment. We will challenge prejudice that could jeopardise the participation of any person in the community. The Code of Conduct governs how we behave in public or in private whenever the Linux community will be judged by our actions. We expect it to be honoured by everyone who represents the community officially or informally, claims affiliation or participates directly. It applies to activities online or offline. We invite anybody to participate. Our community is open. Please read more about the GTALUG Code of Conduct here: <http://gtalug.org/about/code-of-conduct/>. If you have any questions, comments, or concerns about the GTALUG Code of Conduct please contact the GTALUG Board @ <board(a)gtalug.org>. --- GTALUG Announce mailing list announce(a)gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/announce

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JOB | Permanent Sysadmin (Netherlands or remote)
by James Tobin 06 Dec '17

06 Dec '17

Hello, I'm working with an employer that is looking to hire a permanent Linux sysadmin to become their expert on Hadoop and Kafka maintenance. This person can be based either at the Netherlands office or remote. Consequently I had hoped that some members of this mailing list may like to discuss with me further; off-list. I can be reached using "JamesBTobin (at) Gmail (dot) Com". Kind regards, James

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NCIX files for bankruptcy
by Evan Leibovitch 04 Dec '17

04 Dec '17

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/hardware-retailer-ncix-files-bankruptcy,36… - Evan (on mobile)

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cheap 3d printer?
by D. Hugh Redelmeier 27 Nov '17

27 Nov '17

Here's a thread about the printer I bought. We haven't used it yet so I cannot say how good it is. <https://forums.redflagdeals.com/amazon-ca-monoprice-select-mini-3d-printer-…>

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