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(question) TP-Link TL-WR802N 300Mbps Wireless-N Nano Router
by William Park 16 Aug '16

16 Aug '16

Anyone have this one? http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=27_1046_365&item_id=0… http://www.tplink.ca/en/products/details/TL-WR802N.html If so, have you ever used its "Client Mode" and can you confirm that it works? I need small portable "wireless bridge", and the advertised "client mode" is what I need. But, last TP-Link I bought was N750 dual-band TL-WDR4300. It advertised "wireless bridge" and even their tech support said so. But, both lied. Shocking! I have Linksys WRT model with DD-WRT, and its client bridge works. But, it's a bit bulky to carry around. -- William

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Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;
by Steve Petrie, P.Eng. 16 Aug '16

16 Aug '16

Greetings To GTALUG Members, Having gratefully received an avalanche of helpful postings from GTALUG members, and based on that advice, I provide below a summary of the revisions to the original specification of components, for the new desktop PC. Please find attached a PDF summary of the revised PC configuration: a.. <ca.pcpartpicker.com -- win7_PC_business_24_7_duty_bare_v2 - summary - Steve_Petrie - 20160811.pdf>. The price may seem high, given that this is not a gamer's PC. There is no video graphics support beyond that on the Intel CPU. This PC is a heavy-duty professional / business PC. The objective of this PC is to provide fast performance, with the ability to run cool and cruising (not struggling) under constant 24 / 7 duty. Also there is provision for future expansion, without overtaxing cooling capacity or power supply. Please note that the revised specification attached, includes only the Windows 7 operating system, and makes no mention of the Linux operating system. Omission of Linux is intentional, as commercial system builders typically are only interested in shipping PCs with Windows. So the plan is to do the Linux installation after the PC is received from the builder. I am now going to request price quotations for the PC as specified, from a number of commercial PC builders. If no satisfactory commercial builder quotation ensues (meaning: acceptable price and no component substitutions), then I will likely resort to the build-it-yourself option, with kind help from GTALUG. There is a hybrid build option: get the motherboard built commercially, and then personally complete the build from there. * * * * * * RAM Increase the RAM size from 8 GB to 16 GB (2 x 8GB DIMM). The ASRock Z97 Extreme6 motherboard has 4 DDR-3 slots, providing for future memory expansion to the maximum 32 GB supported by the Intel i5-4460 CPU. * * * * * * DIALUP MODEMS AND DSL (DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER LINE) It appears that Linux (and Windows) are keeping up support for: 1. USB dial up modems and 2. PPP network protocol, to enable tethering of GSM phones to the OS, as dial up modems (for e.g. file transfer). Therefore it is very likely that the same support (for USB dial up modems and PPP) on Linux, should also work on Linux with a real USB dial up modem (e,g, USR5637 56K V.92 USB modem). Dial up modems today still find uses, in situations where land line telephone service is the only wired Internet connection available: 1. in some rural areas, and 2. with portable computers away from home base, e.g. in hotel room. Also: some point-of-sale payment transaction systems use dial up modems, for improved security. Terminology: "hard line" = "land line" = POTS (plain old telephone service) = physical twisted pair of copper wires that electrically connect a subscriber's equipment, to the remote telephone exchange and thereby to the PSTN (public switched telephone network). Terminology: DSL (digital subscriber line) = ADSL (asymmetric digital subscriber line), the "asymmetric" means that upstream communications (from local to remote) and downstream communications (from remote to local) use different frequency ranges (Up: 26.075 .. 137.825 kHz, Down: 138 .. 1104 kHz). DSL service can share the same hard line with analog devices (e.g. telephone, dial up modem, fax machine) because DSL uses much higher modulation frequencies (26.075 .. 1104 kHz) than do conventional (human voice band) analog devices (0 .. 4 kHz). However, in order for DSL and analog devices to share the same wire pair hard line without interference, the DSL modem must be electrically isolated from the analog devices (and vice-versa), to prevent mutual interference caused by secondary effects of signals generated by the various devices on the line. The necessary isolation between the DSL modem and the analog devices on the same wire pair line, is achieved by adding a DSL filter between each analog device (e.g. telephone, dial up modem) and the line. For convenience, a variation on the DSL filter, called a DSL filter / splitter, provides two jacks on the same filter device, one (unfiltered) jack for connecting the DSL modem and one (filtered) jack for connecting an analog device (e.g. telphone, dial up modem). Adding decision complexity to a DSL service acquisition, are availability of more modern DSL standards that offer significantly higher speeds: ADSL2, VDSL and VDSL2. Given that, with DSL service installed on the hard line, it will still be feasible to continue to use on the same hard line, the dial up modem on the existing Windows XP PC, why not go straight to using DSL for the new Linux PC, and skip entirely any use of a dial up modem (e.g. USR5637 56K V.92 USB modem) on the new PC? Here are my reasons for first using a dial up modem on the new Linux PC: a.. #1 Postpone the non-trivial task of: specifying and provisioning DSL service (service type decision, modem selection, service implementation). DSL will be a too large distraction from the main project, which is to get a Linux PC working. b.. #2. Simplify the task of setting up the new Linux PC, by minimizing: 1. any changes to setup and operation of existing Windows XP PC (dial up modem), and by minimizing: 2. any changes to existing Internet ISP connection facility (dial up). c.. #3. Save money ($25 / mo.): postpone upgrade, from 56Kbps dial up (ISP $15 / mo), to 5Mbps DSL (ISP $40 / mo); d.. #4. Curiosity: Web browsing with dial up modem on the existing Windows XP PC has grown to be painfully slow with advent of larger and larger web page sizes. But pages always used to load reliably, albeit slowly. However, over the past few years, web page load performance has steadily degraded, to the point where too many pages either quietly fail to completely load on the first attempt, or fail to load with some browser error message. So I plan to find out, if the Linux PC can deliver a better web browsing experience over a dial up Internet connection, than the very poor browsing experience on the existing Windows XP PC. e.. #5 Even after I have upgraded the Linux PC to use DSL for its regular Internet connectivity, I want to be able occasionally to use a dial up modem Internet connection on the Linux PC. Mainly for testing the responsiveness over dial up, of a new website I am building. I have set a target maximum of 10 seconds response time for a page load, for a website visitor using a browser over a dial up modem connection. There are still plenty of people using dial up, whether out of frugality or poverty. And I intend that the new website will treat these dial up users, with respect for the value of their time. * * * * * * VIDEO DISPLAY MONITOR AND CABLE Consider increasing the size of the video display monitor, to allow for comfortable viewing with user's advancing age. The present display monitor on the Windows XP PC is 17" diagonal. Therefore the 21.5" diagonal video monitor (LG 22MB35DM-I) specified for the new Linux PC, already provides a large increase (4.5") viewing area diagonal over the Win XP PC monitor -- at a price of $167.92. However, a 23.8" (LG 24MB35DM-B) monitor can be had on amazon.ca for a price of only $195.00, so the decision is to upgrade the monitor specified, to the 23.8" LG model from the 21.5" LG model. Video monitors of yet higher diagonal sizes are too expensive for the budget. Therefore upgrade the specification to an LG 24MB35DM-B 23.8" video monitor. * * * Can the CPU's built-in Intel HD Graphics 4600 video display controller, on the Intel 4-Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Processor, on the ASRock Expreme6 motherboard, drive the 24MB35DM-B 23.8" IPS LED Back-lit Full HD 1080p 1920x1080 Monitor, through its DVI-D D-Sub connector? Here is a paste from the Intel CPU product web page: http://ark.intel.com/products/80817/Intel-Core-i5-4460-Processor-6M-Cache-u… ... Graphics Specifications Processor Graphics ++ Intel(c) HD Graphics 4600 Graphics Base Frequency 350 MHz Graphics Max Dynamic Frequency 1.1 GHz Graphics Video Max Memory 2 GB Graphics Output eDP/DP/HDMI/VGA Max Resolution (HDMI 1.4)++ 4096x2304@24Hz Max Resolution (DP)++ 3840x2160@60Hz Max Resolution (eDP - Integrated Flat Panel)++ 3840x2160@60Hz Max Resolution (VGA)++ 1920x1200@60Hz DirectX* Support 11.2/12 OpenGL+ Support 4.3 Intel(R) Quick Sync Video Yes Intel(R) InTru(tm) 3D Technology Yes Intel(R) Insider(tm) Yes Intel(R) Wireless Display Yes Intel(R) Flexible Display Interface (Intel® FDI) Yes Intel(R) Clear Video HD Technology Yes # of Displays Supported ++ 3 Device ID 0x412 ... And here is a paste from the ASRock Z97 Extreme6 motherboard specfication: ... Graphics Three graphics output options: DVI-I, HDMI and DisplayPort 1.2 Supports HDMI with max. resolution up to 4K x 2K (4096x2160) @ 24Hz Supports DVI-I with max. resolution up to 1920x1200 @ 60Hz Supports DisplayPort 1.2 with max. resolution up to 4K x 2K (4096x2160) @ 24Hz or 4K x 2K (3840x2160) @ 60Hz ... Here is a paste from the LG 24MB35DM-B 23.8" video monitor owner's manual : Resolution Max D-SUB(Analog) : 1280 x 1024 @ 60 Hz DVI (Digital) : 1280 x 1024 @ 60 Hz Since: 1. the DVI-I video output signals on the ASRock Extreme6 motherboard's DVI-I connector, can directly drive the DVI-D input on the LG 24MB35DM-B monitor, and 2. a DVI-D cable is compatible with the DVI-I connector on the ASRock motherboard, and 3. the DVI standard maximum length of a DVI cable is 5 meters (16 feet), a simple 12 foot (or 15 foot) DVI-D cable will suffice to connect the monitor to the motherboard. * * * * * * WESTERN DIGITAL HARD DISK DRIVE Upgrade the HDD to Western Digital Black Series 1 TB 3.5" from Western Digital Blue Series 750 GB. The WD Black Series are designed for heavy professional PC use. The Blue series are not so thoroughly tested by WD and are not recommended for heavy professional use. The WD Blue Series also have a power-down feature (after 2 to 3 minutes idle) that makes them inconvenient for intermittent use, because of the long spin-up delay after power-down. The WD Black Series model chosen is WD1003FZEX SATA 6 Gb/s 3.5 Inch 7200 1 TB with 64 MB cache. * * * * * * CASE: FRACTAL DESIGN VS SILVERSTONE The case originally specified: Fractal Design Define R5 (Black) has a door that covers the entire front of the case. There is exposure to damage to an optical drive, if the optical drive ejects a disc while the front door of the case is in the way. The SilverStone TJ04-E was suggested as an alternative case. However, this venerable popular model is no longer available. The successor SilverStone model: SST-TJ04B-E does not seem to be nearly as well made as the original TJ04-E. Numerous reviews on Anazon.com mention flimsy material and construction. There are other SilverStone case models of interest, but none as compelling in features as the Fractal Design Define R5. The decision is to use a Fractal Design Define R5 (Black) case with the front foor, as originally specified, and be very careful always to keep the front door of this case wide open, so long as there is a disc in the optical drive. (Good luck, Steve :) * * * * * * HDD BACKUP: PORTABLE USB DRIVE VERSUS MAGNETIC TAPE Magnetic tape has fallen out of favour for PC backup, being replaced by portable USB drives. Tape is subject to heavy wear by helical-scan technology, and inexpensive helical-scan drive models are no longer manufactured. Abandon the idea of using a SCSI (helical-scan) tape drive for HDD backup, and use portable USB drives for backup instead. The drive selected is: Western Digital My Passport Ultra 1 TB Portable External Hard Drive, Black (WDBGPU0010BBK-NESN). This device is being acquired separately from the PC build. The DDS-3 DAT drive on the existing Windows XP PC has just died. The plan is to switch to using a portable USB drive to backup the Windows XP PC HDD, until the new Linux PC is fully operational. * * * * * * BOOT SETUP, HDD PARTITIONING AND OS INSTALLATION GTALUG advice is that I should undertake personally, installation of debian Linux on the new PC. This will ensure a satisfactory Linux setup and also develop vital knowledge to assist recovery in case of future problems. The plan is to do the Linux installation after the PC is received from the builder. This will include not only installing debian Linux from ISO DVD, but also making changes to the boot firmware setup on the ASRock Z97 Extreme6 motherboard. The PC builder will be required to install the Windows 7 into a dedicated GPT partition of e.g. 80 GB. So hopefully, the work done to install debian Linux, will not disturb the partition containing the original Windows 7 installation done by the builder. * * * * * * Plan is still to try to find a commercial builder, without conceding any variations in components as specified. Otherwise will consider building myself, with kind help from GTALUG. Will report back on responses from commercial builders. Best Regards and Thanks !! Steve

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Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;
by Steve Petrie, P.Eng. 16 Aug '16

16 Aug '16

Greetings To GTALUG Members, A setback has occurred in my project to acquire a new Linux PC. On the Windows XP PC that is going to be replaced by the new Linux PC, the DDS-3 DAT SCSI tape drive has died, that does backup duty for the HDD. Died too soon by only a couple of months -- !@#$%^&*(!! Since it could still take a few months for me to complete the acquisition of and conversion to the new Linux PC, I am not going to risk operating the Windows XP PC without regular HDD backup for so long. So, I need to source a replacement tape drive for the Windows XP PC, before I can continue with acquisition of the new Linux PC. A soon as I have a replacement tape drive operating on the Windows XP PC, I will resume the Linux PC acquisition project, and complete the revisions to the specification of components, per advice from GTALUG members. Regards, Steve * * * Steve Petrie, P.Eng. ITS-ETO Consortium Oakville, Ontario, Canada (905) 847-3253 apetrie(a)aspetrie.net

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Debian postgresql security advisory
by Giles Orr 16 Aug '16

16 Aug '16

Debian issued a security advisory for postgresql today: https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3646 . So I want to upgrade my pgsql install on stable. The advisory says "these problems have been fixed in version 9.4.9-0+deb8u1." I upgraded, and found myself with version 9.4+165+deb8u1. And this has me very confused, particularly since the online database ( https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=postgresql… ) shows the jessie version recommended by the advisory. If I run "lsb_release -c" I get "Codename: jessie" in response. The sources.list is basic but complete(?): deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie main deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie-updates main (I've left out the deb-src statements.) First, why the discrepancy? Second, where do I go to find out what went into the current package? ie. is there a place to look that will say "9.4+165+deb8u1 was compiled for X reason?" I installed a new virtual machine from a fresh download of debian-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso. A final "apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade" finds me at the same 9.4+165+deb8u1. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr(a)gmail.com

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Info request
by o1bigtenor 15 Aug '16

15 Aug '16

Greetings Just looking into how to use a database like Postgresql. On the other side they use front end programs. What is a 'normal' or common approach in the linux world? TIA Dee

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TL-MR3020
by Scott Sullivan 12 Aug '16

12 Aug '16

Just out of the recent thread "TP-Link TL-WR802N 300Mbps Wireless-N Nano Router", wanted to pull together useful links on one of my favorite pieces of travel kit. It's aged very well, still doing what every random job I throw at it 4 years on. The most recent triumph, involved using as it as a PXE boot server, tethered to my phone for internet access to network boot an old Pentium II Dell Optiplex, from https://boot.rackspace.com/ TL-MR3020 ========= Product Page: http://www.tplink.ca/en/products/details/cat-4691_TL-MR3020.html WebUI simulator(*): http://www.tp-link.com/resources/simulator/TL-MR3020/index.htm OpenWRT: https://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-mr3020 Vendors(**): http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833704127CVF http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3… http://www.ncix.com/detail/tp-link-tl-mr3020-portable-3g-3-75g-wireless-39-… http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=690&item_id=047186 https://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywo… *: TP-Link doesn't put up the interface for all their devices, and sometimes you have to go digging to find them (this one was linked of the Sri Lanka page, but not the Canadian). **: I certainly doubt TP-link is still producing these, but there is still some stock at vendors.

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Re: [GTALUG] Advice -- Building Debian 8 PC To Replace Win XP PC;
by Russell Reiter 11 Aug '16

11 Aug '16

On Jul 25, 2016 10:50 AM, "Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk" <talk(a)gtalug.org> wrote: > > Warm Greetings To GTALUG, > > Please forgive the long email. -- have to provide some background. > > BACKGROUND -- BUILDING DEBIAN 8 PC TO REPLACE WIN XP PC > I usually have a couple of pieces of advise for home builds and integration. Unfortunately the first piece is no longer relevant. That was was go to active surplus and purchase a variety of items. Board standoffs, plastic washers and odd screws and ties. However they have closed both locations and it doesn't look like there is a comeback in the works. I have yet to find another place with such a comprehensive stock of the little odds and ends someone night need. The other is to have a build buddy, someone to bounce things around with when there is an unexpected problem. I do have this suggestion tho. Make friends with Hacklab. I haven't visited the facility so I don't know if they have storage for a build which may last longer than one day. Also I have no idea of the fee structure to use the space, but there are others on the list with more in-depth knowledge than I. Scott Sullivan perhaps? HTH Russell <snip the end>

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Fedora Flock 2017
by Charles Profitt 11 Aug '16

11 Aug '16

Hello all: I have been around Linux for a while, but a recent convert to Fedora. I read alot about Flock [1] and understand that it will be returning to North America. As a long time Ubuntu Contributor who attended UDS several times I am excited about the prospect of an in-person event. My city hosted Flock in 2015 so it is that it would be unlikely for the same city to be chosen again. When I was discussing Flock 2017 with some Fedora friends I thought of GTALUG as a potential host group to help organize Flock. Obviously I can't really help organize from Rochester NY, but I wanted to pass along the information to you folks to see if you have any interest. If there is interest I can assist with navigating the bid process [2]. I have included the bid for Krakow (2016) [3] and Rochester (2015) [4]. Charles [1] - https://flocktofedora.org/ [2] - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock_bid_process [3] - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock2016-Krakow-proposal [4] - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock2015-Rochester-proposal

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[GTALUG-Announce] Meeting Tonight at 7:30pm
by hi＠gtalug.org 09 Aug '16

09 Aug '16

<http://gtalug.org/meeting/2016-08/> # On Disruption & Killer Apps with Scott Elcomb There'll be a short half-hour presentation on the history of Atomic OS and related improvements in web technology since the last release. The presentation will then be followed by an interactive session to discuss philosophical questions surrounding disruption, the meaning of "success" in the context of FOSS projects and whether "killer applications" for such projects are important. ## Location George Vari Engineering and Computing Centre 245 Church Street, Room 203 Ryerson University <http://goo.gl/maps/16oJ2> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/23447525> ## Schedule * 6:00 pm - Please discuss on the general mailing list (i.e. <talk(a)gtalug.org>) where you want to go for dinner. * 7:30 pm - Meeting and presentation. * 9:00 pm - After each meeting a group of GTALUGers move to the The Imperial Pub (54 Dundas St East) for refreshments and more socializing. # Code of Conduct We want a productive happy community that can welcome new ideas, improve every process every year, and foster collaboration between individuals with differing needs, interests and skills. We gain strength from diversity, and actively seek participation from those who enhance it. This code of conduct exists to ensure that diverse groups collaborate to mutual advantage and enjoyment. We will challenge prejudice that could jeopardize the participation of any person in the community. The Code of Conduct governs how we behave in public or in private whenever the Linux community will be judged by our actions. We expect it to be honored by everyone who represents the community officially or informally, claims affiliation, or participates directly. It applies to activities online or offline. We invite anybody to participate. Our community is open. Please read more about the GTALUG Code of Conduct here: <http://gtalug.org/about/code-of-conduct/>. If you have any questions, comments, or concerns about the GTALUG Code of Conduct please contact the GTALUG Board @ <board(a)gtalug.org>. --- GTALUG Announce mailing list announce(a)gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/announce

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dinner tomorrow night
by D. Hugh Redelmeier 09 Aug '16

09 Aug '16

<https://wiki.gtalug.org/pre-meeting_dinner> We're playing chicken, and I always lose. I guess I care more about dinner than the rest of you :-) I suggest: Roti Roll Caribean Cuisine Address: 361 Yonge St. (A little hard to recognize from the street but it is there) Yelp Review: <https://www.yelp.ca/biz/roti-roll-caribbean-cuisine-toronto> visited 2015 November 10 Fallback: Donair Kebab House (Turkish) Address: 391 Yonge Street Stewart remembers: tasty shawarma, but limited seating and cash only visited 2015 October 13

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