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In the Beginning was the Command Line
by talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Oliver Meyn wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > <http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html> > > [..] > > How big is the article that the remainder of it is packaged as a zip file? > :) Robert, It expanded out to 64 pages when I pulled it into AbiWord -- way too long to read in one sitting. Seems like the authour is the same age as me, though -- in 1973 I was also sitting in front of a teletype with paper tape reader and a 110 baud modem, dialing into the PSBGM system to do some noodling around in BASIC. The incantation HEL K603,^B^E^A^A was the login for that account (or something like it). We would write 10 GOTO 10 RUN and let it sit for a few seconds, then press ^C to stop it ^C STOPPED CPU TIME: 13.74 SECONDS and cram our fists into our mouths to stop from laughing out loud -- the Math teacher (Al Seddon) might be in the next office and come out to see what was so funny. Every week Mr. Seddon would put up the sheet for computer time (twenty minute slots) on the computer room door, and we'd scramble to write our names in. Oh, man. Good memories. I may get to read the rest of the (longish) essay -- however as it was written in January 1999 (almost four years ago) it may not be as relevant as I originally hoped. Alex Beamish -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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dd vs. cat >/dev/xxx
by taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 12:26:03AM -0500, Justin Zygmont wrote: > just a quick question here, I was wondering if there is really much > benefit from using dd to image a floppy disk than cat >/dev/fd0. With correct options, dd will go a LOT faster. dd if=yourfile.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=64k Be sure that bs is a multiple of your device's sector size, or you'll really hurt performance. Floppy sectors are only 512 bytes, but buffering (i.e. doing IOs in blocks of) at that size is highly inefficient. 64k seems to work nicely for me...I seem to vaguely remember 18k being optimal, though (one full track). -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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In the Beginning was the Command Line
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:55:07 -0500 (EST) Robert Brockway <robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org> wrote: > Personally I think pure capitialism can be quite dangerous. It tends to > transfer power & money into the hands of the few at the expense of the > many. OTOH, Regulated capitalism can be quite healthy (IMHO of course :) Your "humble opinion" is in fact backed up by some pretty big guns. Read anything from Adam Smith, all the way up to giants like Keynes or Galbraith, and you will find that you are on some pretty solid ground there. The problem really isn't that Capitalism is a totally free market, as you seem to be hinting at, it's that it is in fact *not* a free market. It concentrates power around those who *have* capital, and therefore works against the free flow of trade, and also against innovation. Once a corporation has obtained a position of power, there is very little incentive to compete or innovate, more to keep pushing the same obsolete product at higher and higher profit. This is what has allowed Microsoft, a business doing what anyone would expect a business to do in a Capitalist environment, to use the power of concentrated wealth to make it more difficult for others to compete, so as to further enrich their shareholders and other beneficiaries. Of course, having the State take over the reigns of the economy is no better, as Galbraith's famous quote humourously implies: "In Capitalism, man exploits man. In Communism it is exactly the opposite." Money is not the root of all evil, it's the way we *use* money that is so harmful. Someone on this list, a ways back, pointed out that there are far more viable economic models insofar as trade and commerce, one of which, IIRC, was based on the idea that money does not increase in value over time (incentive to hoard, stagnate), but actually loses value over time (incentive to spend, build, expand). -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Where the state begins, individual liberty ceases, and vice versa." -- Bakunin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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In the Beginning was the Command Line
by robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Oliver Meyn wrote: > Hi All, > > <http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html> I'd like him to backup his claim that Bill Gates & Paul Allen came up with the idea of selling an OS. Gosh people come out with some rubbish. There were plenty of OSes for sale when they got in the biz. Many hardware platforms had several OSes available for purchase at least a decade before anyone thought of MS-DOS (and probably a lot more). How big is the article that the remainder of it is packaged as a zip file? :) > This essay will no doubt appeal to many of you (and I'm sure many of you > have read it), but rather than promoting self-aggrandizement I rather > like his proposal that M$ isn't actually evil, they're just doing what The problem is MS had engaged in unethical and in some cases illegal behaviour over a period of 20 years or more. This is why the US DoJ and others keep doing them over in court. I won't go into details as they are well recorded online. At what point is it not ok for a company to do something for the sake of shareholders? Illegal activitiies count, and to me, so do unethical behaviours. > they promised their shareholders they'd do - make them money, and damn > the torpedoes. If that happens to cause major headaches for those of us > who care about how computers are used, well, too bad - go capitalism. Personally I think pure capitialism can be quite dangerous. It tends to transfer power & money into the hands of the few at the expense of the many. OTOH, Regulated capitalism can be quite healthy (IMHO of course :) Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, zzbrock at uqconnect.net Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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central mail
by fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

On Wednesday 10 December 2003 09:18, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Chris Aitken wrote: > >OK - thanks. That's the explanation I was hoping for. For me this will be > >a huge task. Downloading rpm's, installing software, configuring MUA, > >MTA, and now, if I understand correctly, MDA. > > I think that MDA is an other name for MTA. Acutally I believe MDA is "Mail Delivery Agent". It's typically used to refer to the process that takes care of writing your email to your mailbox (i.e. /var/spool/mail/$user or $HOME/Maildir/). Often the MDA is procmail but many MTAs have built in MDAs so the use of procmail isn't essential (though it is still useful). maildrop is another popular MDA. -- Fraser Campbell <fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> http://www.wehave.net/ Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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central mail
by robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > I think that MDA is an other name for MTA. No, they are distinct concepts. The confusion comes because they are closely tied together and in some cases may even be different instances of the same application. Sendmail used to come with an MDA called "deliver" which was so closely tied to the app that most mail admins didn't even realise it was there or that they were using it (unledd they examined sendmail.cf), but being aware of the ability to use different MDAs can be very very useful indeed. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, zzbrock at uqconnect.net Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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In the Beginning was the Command Line
by lists-tZhE6lH4Esk+k03BA+Hq9g＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

Hi All, <http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html> This essay will no doubt appeal to many of you (and I'm sure many of you have read it), but rather than promoting self-aggrandizement I rather like his proposal that M$ isn't actually evil, they're just doing what they promised their shareholders they'd do - make them money, and damn the torpedoes. If that happens to cause major headaches for those of us who care about how computers are used, well, too bad - go capitalism. This reeks of <bait /> I know, so apologies in advance. *ducks* Oliver -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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central mail
by lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Chris Aitken wrote: >OK - thanks. That's the explanation I was hoping for. For me this will be >a huge task. Downloading rpm's, installing software, configuring MUA, >MTA, and now, if I understand correctly, MDA. I think that MDA is an other name for MTA. Your system should have MTA installed already (probably sendmail), and most likely the default configuration is adequate this case. You just have to install IMAP server, and using rpm it should be a breeze. As far as I know, it will need minimal or no configuration. So you just have to configure the MUA. -- Stephan Paul Arif Sahari Wibowo _____ _____ _____ _____ /____ /____/ /____/ /____ _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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central mail
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:12:55 -0500 Chris Aitken <aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> wrote: > OK - thanks. That's the explanation I was hoping for. For me this will be a > > huge task. Downloading rpm's, installing software, configuring MUA, MTA, > and now, if I understand correctly, MDA. And I'm sure I will face many > questions > to which I will not know the answer. So, this explanation will be my > guiding light. RPM's? If you are running Mandrake, it's as easy as falling off a chair! It must be, because I did it in about 5 minutes. On the mail server: urpmi imap (*not* "courier imap") if Fetchmail is not installed: urpmi fetchmail-daemon (so it'll run at boot) then just configure your /etc/fetchmailrc with the info on your ISP's POP server like so: # Configuration created Fri Feb 14 02:07:47 2003 by fetchmailconf set postmaster "xxxxxxx" set bouncemail set no spambounce set properties "" set daemon 300 #number of seconds between "polls" poll pop2.sympatico.ca with proto POP3 user 'xxxxx' there with password 'xxxxx' is 'xxxxx' here options nokeep and then continue for each account, one "poll" per account. Then on the mailserver, just create user accounts for each person (that's where you put the username "is 'xxxxx' here"), eh voila! Each machine/user on your LAN, they just point their mail client at the address of the server, with their user and pass, and yer done. Personally I never used the IMAP functionality, I just used my mailserver as a regular old POP server (the IMAP package comes with both), but the mail client, if it has built-in IMAP functionality, should know what to do. -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding." -- John Kenneth Galbraith -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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hard drive wanted
by jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

I am looking for a small harddrive, maybe around 2+ gigs, for linux test installs. My current drive has been giving me problems, so i'm throwing it in the trash:) If anyone happens to have one, please let me know what you want for it, and maybe we can make a deal. thanks.. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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