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In the Beginning was the Command Line
by lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 10:24:36AM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > Your "humble opinion" is in fact backed up by some pretty big guns. Read > anything from Adam Smith, all the way up to giants like Keynes or Galbraith, and > you will find that you are on some pretty solid ground there. > > The problem really isn't that Capitalism is a totally free market, as you seem > to be hinting at, it's that it is in fact *not* a free market. It concentrates > power around those who *have* capital, and therefore works against the free flow > of trade, and also against innovation. Once a corporation has obtained a > position of power, there is very little incentive to compete or innovate, more > to keep pushing the same obsolete product at higher and higher profit. > > This is what has allowed Microsoft, a business doing what anyone would expect a > business to do in a Capitalist environment, to use the power of concentrated > wealth to make it more difficult for others to compete, so as to further enrich > their shareholders and other beneficiaries. > > Of course, having the State take over the reigns of the economy is no better, as > Galbraith's famous quote humourously implies: > > "In Capitalism, man exploits man. In Communism it is exactly the opposite." > > Money is not the root of all evil, it's the way we *use* money that is so > harmful. Someone on this list, a ways back, pointed out that there are far more > viable economic models insofar as trade and commerce, one of which, IIRC, was > based on the idea that money does not increase in value over time > (incentive to hoard, stagnate), but actually loses value over time (incentive to > spend, build, expand). I wonder what some south american countries would think of your idea. I don't think their devaluation of money has helped their economy at all. Incentive to spend rather than horde may be an OK idea, but money that looses value isn't necesarily such a good thing, although I guess at the moment basic interest rate isn't doing much better than inflation. Of course encouraging people to spend money they don't have is a really bad idea and I think that too happens sometimes when spending is encouraged too much. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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A couple of questions
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 11:21:35AM -0500, Sidney Shapiro wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a client thinking of setting up a mail server in his office, as > well as a backup system. I set up something similar to this for another > client using RH, and a lot of help. His hosting is currently with Blue > Genesis, and his in office internet connection is through Sympatico. > Since he does not have a static IP, would it be difficult to set up a > mail server for him? I figure if I change the zone file for mail to a > dynamic DNS program on the server, he will be able to use pop/smtp > connects through the server. Usually, hosting company also provide email with the domain. Having DNS on his server which is on dynamic IP won't do much for outsider trying to send mail to his server. > How would that work since the domain and the mail are going to > different places? Also, as far as backup goes, can I do an rsync to a > whole bunch of Windows machines (XP, NT, 2000, 98, 95, ME) and then do > comparative backups at intervals? I don't think 'rsync' is available on Windows. You can go the other way, though, ie. backup Windows to Linux. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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central mail
by lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Fraser Campbell wrote: >It's typically used to refer to the process that takes care of writing >your email to your mailbox (i.e. /var/spool/mail/$user or >$HOME/Maildir/). I stand corrected. So MDA is the part sometime called "local delivery agent", right? This will depend on the choice of mailbox format, and in turn related closely to the choice of IMAP server. In fact I think some IMAP servers have MDA specifically made for them. -- Stephan Paul Arif Sahari Wibowo _____ _____ _____ _____ /____ /____/ /____/ /____ _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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quiet PC
by lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 12:37:44PM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > Do they actually build custom systems? I'll hopefully be looking for a > "bare-bones" system in the near future, probably AMD based, and I'm looking for > a good place to go. Last place I checked, Computer Central Canada, said they > didn't recommend AMD, as that is their number one return item. Bigfoot Computers mostly sells cooling parts, not really that much general purpose computer stuff. Too many other places already sell that stuff. Check their website and you will see. Makes you wonder if they don't build their systems properly. AMD has pretty simple requriements on power supply and cooling on their web site and generic cheap 300W power supplies may just not be good enough for a stable system. Of course the end user that just looks at price doesn't know that. > Which begs the question, "why do you sell it?" It's cheaper and they like selling to the people that look at price first? Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Anyone have experience with Asterisk
by fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

On Friday 05 December 2003 11:33, Matthew Rice wrote: > I'm looking to setup an Asterisk-based PBX with extensions in the office > and at homes. There seems to be a lot of options on the client side [from > gnophone, some cisco hardware phones, qtphone, ...]. > > Does anyone have a similar [or partial] setup like this? Can you offer > some advice on which clients have worked best? I am curious if anyone has compared asterisk to vocal (or other OSS PBXes, if they exist)? -- Fraser Campbell <fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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central mail
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Chris Aitken wrote: > I have been using Netscape Messenger for email for some time. > It has served me well. > > I now need to move to a system by which I can see the same > email from two different PCs. Sounds like a simple thing but I have > a feeling this is going to entail a huge learning curve and maybe even > moving to a different email system. Tick the box that says 'leave messages on server' in Nestcape email options (also delete deleted mail on server if you have it). Then you can access the same mail from as many clients as you like (with the same settings as shown above). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Free market, not Capitalism (Re: In the Beginning was the Command Line)
by lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, JoeHill wrote: >The problem really isn't that Capitalism is a totally free market, as you >seem to be hinting at, it's that it is in fact *not* a free market. It >concentrates power around those who *have* capital, and therefore works >against the free flow of trade, and also against innovation. 100% agree. IMHO, ideally economy should based on effort, not capital. This will work well with free market. In fact, I think a economy based on effort will be an utopia. Unfortunately, effort is hard to measure. It is true that there is small correlation between effort and gaining capital. That's why controlled capitalism can work, albeit just Ok. -- Stephan Paul Arif Sahari Wibowo _____ _____ _____ _____ /____ /____/ /____/ /____ _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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A couple of questions
by sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

Hi all, I have a client thinking of setting up a mail server in his office, as well as a backup system. I set up something similar to this for another client using RH, and a lot of help. His hosting is currently with Blue Genesis, and his in office internet connection is through Sympatico. Since he does not have a static IP, would it be difficult to set up a mail server for him? I figure if I change the zone file for mail to a dynamic DNS program on the server, he will be able to use pop/smtp connects through the server. How would that work since the domain and the mail are going to different places? Also, as far as backup goes, can I do an rsync to a whole bunch of Windows machines (XP, NT, 2000, 98, 95, ME) and then do comparative backups at intervals? Any help is really appreciated, Sid

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In the Beginning was the Command Line
by mikehill-yqNZbDEBI9QAvxtiuMwx3w＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 10:50, Taavi Burns wrote: > About 70 pages when formatted as a paperback book, iirc. Yes, I > had a lot of fun with LaTeX, making it 2-up, and printing on both > sides of the sheet of paper. I read it at 8.5x11 when it was introduced on Slashdot, then ordered the paperback from Chapters to lend out. Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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In the Beginning was the Command Line
by taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 09:55:07AM -0500, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Oliver Meyn wrote: > > <http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html> > > How big is the article that the remainder of it is packaged as a zip file? > :) About 70 pages when formatted as a paperback book, iirc. Yes, I had a lot of fun with LaTeX, making it 2-up, and printing on both sides of the sheet of paper. :) -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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