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M$ to license FAT
by tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

Taavi Burns <taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org> writes: > On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 02:10:15PM -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > > And Linux already offers file systems that are more appropriate for this type > > of use. JFFS2, for example, includes wear leveling to minimize wear which can > > cause certain types of flash devices to fail much earlier than expected. > > IIRC, FAT stores critical information (the file allocation table and a single > > backup) in a fixed area of the file system. When it fails due to wear, > > you're toast, even if the majority of the device is in good shape. > > Most (all?) of the standard Flash memory devices these days have onboard > controllers which can detect failing sectors in the flash memory, and will > reroute data to spare sectors, much as HDs do these days. Are you sure? The JFFS2 folks don't seem to think so and anecdotal evidence seems to bear me out. > Of course, if the filesystem can help out, all the better. :) > > > In fact, many (most?) such products already come with software from the > > manufacturer, even if it's not stricly necessary. > > But do you want to encourage this behaviour? No, but this is a way of life that Windows users are used to. Moving to JFFS2 (or any trusty, open source file system) would make Linux easier to use at the expense of Windows. Wouldn't that be nice, for a change? > And how many distros come with JFFS2 drivers? Not many at present, I expect. How many came with ext3 when it first came out? > Is it even part of the standard kernel > source (it doesn't look familar to me; then again, I haven't been > looking for it). Not yet. > There is still the question of which would cost > more: VFAT licensing (if even required), or the writing and maintenance > of a driver. We might be happy if they came out with some random > open source Windows driver (that couldn't very well be GPL, now, could > it), but others might get a "bad" feeling about it. Cost (because it would appear to be minimal) isn't the issue. The concern is that Linux could be forced to drop FAT support (due to patent infringement) making these devices less convenient to use from within Linux. An open source alternative like JFFS2 is a win-win solution. -- tim writer <tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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*Really* bad week for SCO
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 18:26:25 -0500 John Moniz <john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org> wrote: > This commercial is the same one broadcast months ago. It didn't stay > around long and I was disappointed that it didn't last longer than it > did. It was a great commercial then and it's still great now. I would imagine it is just the beginning. IBM is really putting a lot of momentum into it's Linux business, and I can see them really pushing this not only for it's direct impact on the business side, but also for its value in the "war of words" around SCO and MS. But ya, that's gotta be one of the most effective ads I've ever seen. -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." -- Hunter S. Thompson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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*Really* bad week for SCO
by john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

JoeHill wrote: >On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:52:17 -0500 (EST) >Robert Brockway <robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > >>I haven't seen this add and I'm sure others haven't either. Tell us more! >>:) What is so spooky about it? >> >> > >Well, I don't find it spooky, I think it's cool as hell. > >Hmmm, I don't want to get sued by IBM or get "Slashdotted" but what the hell: > >http://www.orderinchaos.org/prodigy90_med.mpg > >Go easy, it's a P166! > >You can probably also get it off the IBM website, or just Google for the >filename. > > > This commercial is the same one broadcast months ago. It didn't stay around long and I was disappointed that it didn't last longer than it did. It was a great commercial then and it's still great now. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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*Really* bad week for SCO
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

They're probably allowing bounce time. CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > At 23:52 08/12/2003 -0500, Gary Layng wrote: > >> - kiting is illegal. > > [snip] > > ... unless you are a bank:) I have never bought the lame excuses that > banks give as to why it takes five business days for cheques that are > deposited to clear versus why cheques the funds for cheques that I write > are out of the account within 24 hours. Even for a cheque drawn on the > same bank, in the same city, the banks claim it can take up to five > business days for it to clear. Out of town or out of country cheques > take longer of course. I was reading something recently about how the > banks intend to do away with shuffling paper in the form of cheques and > move to electronic clearing to speed up the process. It is about time! > > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis Corporation > 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 > Toronto, Ontario > Canada M4N 3P6 > > Tel: 416-410-3326 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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M$ to license FAT
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

Taavi Burns wrote: > On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 11:47:05AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >>That would be DOS 7 (aka win95). No version prior to Win95 (OR if you >>ran NT) could do long filenames on FAT. I think OS/2 had a way to do it >>though. > > > IIRC OS/2 could only do long filenames with HPFS. Your DOS apps > could access HPFS files through what looked like a network share, > but long filenames would be totally masked. It was suboptimal, > but possibly better than allowing two filenames (one explicit, one > implicit) for one file. I believe OS/2 supported long file names on the desktop, but had chopped names on the FAT file system. The long file name was stored as an extended attribute in a file called (IIRC) "EA DATA.SF". > > There's a very happy "feature" of VFAT. > > Create a file "Thisisaverylongfile2.txt". Note that the short > version of this comes out as "THISIS~1.TXT". > > Create a file "Thisisaverylongfile1.txt". Note that the short > version of this comes out as "THISIS~2.TXT". > > Now "del *1.TXT" and watch BOTH FILES DISSAPEAR. > > Did you really mean to do that? > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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M$ to license FAT
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

Taavi Burns wrote: > On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 10:42:21PM -0500, cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > >>What is VERY interesting is that none of the patents in question have to >>do with the filesystem. They ALL have to do with the way DOS 6 started > > > DOS provided long filename support? Not that I remember. > It all started with Windows 95. > Wasn't W95 just a pretty shell on DOS 6? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Kiting: ( was *Really* bad week for SCO)
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

Another scam was to get non personalized deposit slips for your account, and slip them in with the generic deposit slips at the bank counter. An unsuspecting customer might use your slip, when making a deposit, but the money gets put in your account. That's one of the reasons the 2 types of deposit slips have a completely different layout. Gary Layng wrote: > That isn't precisely a kiting scheme, but it's pretty close. It's actually > a computer fraud case. It depended on the technology of the time (the > 1970's, I believe). He had a printer friend print cheques with the logo of > the New York bank, but the bank identifier in the MICR code at the bottom > was for a California bank. Those cheques went back and forth between the > two Federal Reserve districts for months before the scheme was uncovered, by > which time the perpetrator was long gone. > > Classic kiting is what brought down broker E.F. Hutton (remember their ads, > "When E.F. Hutton speaks, people listen"?). This company was extremely old, > dating back to before the 1907 California earthquake, and had a great > reputation for honesty - at least until they got caught. It died > ignominiously in the early 1980's. The guys running the scheme within the > firm would scour the States for obscure little banks where the cheques would > remain in the float as long as possible. It was quite the scandal at the > time. > > > His Lordship Mayhem > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Peter > Hiscocks > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 12:04 AM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Kiting: ( was *Really* bad week for SCO) > > > I heard of one kiting scheme that was finally discovered when the magnetic > ink on the cheque wore down to the point that it could no longer be read by > the cheque-reading machines and had to be handled by a human. Apparently the > cheque had been going back and forth across the continental US for several > weeks before that happened. > > Peter > > > On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 11:52:49PM -0500, Gary Layng wrote: > >>I think I can google something up, but for now: >> - kiting is illegal. The scheme depends on how long it takes cheques to >>clear the central clearing facility that all banks share. Imagine you > > have > >>two bank accounts with, say, $50 in each. You cut a cheque from your >>account in Bank 1 for, say, $5 million, and deposit it into the account > > you > >>have in Bank 2. At the same time you also cut a cheque from the Bank 2 >>account and deposit it into the account in Bank 1. When the cheques > > clear, > >>you have enough money to cover them. You get the interest on the $10 >>million dollars you had for two-three days in the two accounts. >> - Margin is perfectly legal. "On margin" means that you borrowed money >>from your broker to buy shares. Typically the broker lends you up to > > about > >>75% of the value of the shares. If the value of the shares drops 25% you >>get a "margin call" and they can sell the shares. You're leveraging your >>potential capital gains by borrowing the money, but it's quite dangerous. >> >> >>His Lordship Mayhem >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Byron > > Sonne > >>Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 7:30 PM >>To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >>Subject: Re: [TLUG]: *Really* bad week for SCO >> >> >>>its stock price may jump to $50, and if you hold -100 of them, you'll >>>now have to pay $5000 to close out your position, and you're in the hole >> >>big >> >>>time. >> >>Does anyone have a link to a site or some docs that explain, to a putz >>like me, what all this various financial wizardry is? >> >>I've seen shorting briefly explained here, but what about kiting, >>selling on margin, etc, and various other techniques and scams? I'd like >>to know but I don't have the inclination to read entire books about this >>stuff, or become a CPA or something. >> >>Later, >>B >>-- >>The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >>TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml >> >>-- >>The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >>TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Kiting: ( was *Really* bad week for SCO)
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

That doesn't make sense. A cheque is returned to the home bank as quickly as practical, either directly, through a clearing house or via 3rd party banks. Once it's there, it stays unless bounced back. There's no reason for it to keep making the rounds. Kiting requires issuing a series of checques to cover the previous ones. Peter Hiscocks wrote: > I heard of one kiting scheme that was finally discovered when the magnetic > ink on the cheque wore down to the point that it could no longer be read by > the cheque-reading machines and had to be handled by a human. Apparently the > cheque had been going back and forth across the continental US for several > weeks before that happened. > > Peter > > > On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 11:52:49PM -0500, Gary Layng wrote: > >>I think I can google something up, but for now: >> - kiting is illegal. The scheme depends on how long it takes cheques to >>clear the central clearing facility that all banks share. Imagine you have >>two bank accounts with, say, $50 in each. You cut a cheque from your >>account in Bank 1 for, say, $5 million, and deposit it into the account you >>have in Bank 2. At the same time you also cut a cheque from the Bank 2 >>account and deposit it into the account in Bank 1. When the cheques clear, >>you have enough money to cover them. You get the interest on the $10 >>million dollars you had for two-three days in the two accounts. >> - Margin is perfectly legal. "On margin" means that you borrowed money >>from your broker to buy shares. Typically the broker lends you up to about >>75% of the value of the shares. If the value of the shares drops 25% you >>get a "margin call" and they can sell the shares. You're leveraging your >>potential capital gains by borrowing the money, but it's quite dangerous. >> >> >>His Lordship Mayhem >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Byron Sonne >>Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 7:30 PM >>To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >>Subject: Re: [TLUG]: *Really* bad week for SCO >> >> >>>its stock price may jump to $50, and if you hold -100 of them, you'll >>>now have to pay $5000 to close out your position, and you're in the hole >> >>big >> >>>time. >> >>Does anyone have a link to a site or some docs that explain, to a putz >>like me, what all this various financial wizardry is? >> >>I've seen shorting briefly explained here, but what about kiting, >>selling on margin, etc, and various other techniques and scams? I'd like >>to know but I don't have the inclination to read entire books about this >>stuff, or become a CPA or something. >> >>Later, >>B >>-- >>The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >>TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml >> >>-- >>The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >>TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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munged 8.3 filenames --> RE:Re: M$ to license FAT
by pegasoft-40qIwYH5687wQaAp52fGBB2eb7JE58TQ＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

Hi Guys, Type in c:\dir /x under Win2k and get the 8.3 munged filename!! Dan -- Dan Braun - PegaSoft Canada / CityTV danb.nospam-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Chris Aitken Taavi Burns wrote: It's moot, but I think it was the Windows 95 version of DOS, which stored long filenames with the 8.3 convention. So whateverfile.txt is stored in W95 DOS as whatev~1.txt Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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*Really* bad week for SCO
by clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

At 23:52 08/12/2003 -0500, Gary Layng wrote: > - kiting is illegal. [snip] ... unless you are a bank:) I have never bought the lame excuses that banks give as to why it takes five business days for cheques that are deposited to clear versus why cheques the funds for cheques that I write are out of the account within 24 hours. Even for a cheque drawn on the same bank, in the same city, the banks claim it can take up to five business days for it to clear. Out of town or out of country cheques take longer of course. I was reading something recently about how the banks intend to do away with shuffling paper in the form of cheques and move to electronic clearing to speed up the process. It is about time! Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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