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by kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

At 07:28 PM 12/08/2003 -0500, Chris wrote: >I now need to move to a system by which I can see the same >email from two different PCs. Sounds like a simple thing but I have >a feeling this is going to entail a huge learning curve and maybe even >moving to a different email system. Several people have mentioned IMAP as one way to go. If the machine acting as the primary mail server (ie. the one you are retrieving your mail from) is under your control, another option is to install a web-based mail system. I run a Qmail based system with several add-ons. As a result, users can read and send mail using the sqwebmail (web-based) mail service. Since this is web-based, a users mail can be accessed from any machine with Internet access. Users can also send mail through the same interface. This might be a better option since you can use any web browser on a machine without the need to do any configuration of the e-mail program or browser to access an IMAP server. Cheers! Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: Packet:ve3syb-XXPEJ3/fxIc at public.gmane.org#con.on.ca.na| Try to assimilate the world!" #include <disclaimer/favourite> | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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M$ to license FAT
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

Austin Acton wrote: > On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 22:36, Robert McDonald wrote: > >>I heard W95 was released for >>32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a >>16-bit patch to an >>8-bit operating system originally coded for a >>4-bit microprocessor, written by a >>2-bit company that can't stand >>1 bit of competition. > > > Jeez... did you just come up with that on-the-spot? > That's pretty sweet! > > Austin It's been around for years. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Dear Santa
by aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

Dear Santa, For Christmas I would like Microsoft to go out of business. I don't know how - I haven't thought it through. I'd just like it to curl up and die. If that's too much to ask for I'll take world peace. Thank you. Love, Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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M$ to license FAT
by henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Taavi Burns wrote: > > > Most (all?) of the standard Flash memory devices these days have onboard > > > controllers which can detect failing sectors in the flash memory, and will > > > reroute data to spare sectors, much as HDs do these days. > > Are you sure? The JFFS2 folks don't seem to think so and anecdotal evidence > > seems to bear me out. > > ...There may also be differences between different flash devices... Yep. At the two extremes, most CompactFlash cards are quite smart and do the right things (although I'm told that some early ones didn't), while the so-called SmartMedia cards have *NO* smarts at all -- they are just a bare memory array -- and absolutely require a smart filesystem. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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M$ to license FAT
by aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 22:36, Robert McDonald wrote: > I heard W95 was released for > 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a > 16-bit patch to an > 8-bit operating system originally coded for a > 4-bit microprocessor, written by a > 2-bit company that can't stand > 1 bit of competition. Jeez... did you just come up with that on-the-spot? That's pretty sweet! Austin -- Austin Acton Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant, Ph.D. Candidate Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeLinux Volunteer Developer, homepage: www.groundstate.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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M$ to license FAT
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

Taavi Burns wrote: > On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 10:42:21PM -0500, cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > >>What is VERY interesting is that none of the patents in question have to >>do with the filesystem. They ALL have to do with the way DOS 6 started > > > DOS provided long filename support? Not that I remember. > It all started with Windows 95. > Wans't W95 just a pretty shell on DOS 6? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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M$ to license FAT
by taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 05:53:03PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > Wans't W95 just a pretty shell on DOS 6? ;-) No, it was an ugly shell on DOS 7. ;) -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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M$ to license FAT
by taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 07:46:42PM -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > Taavi Burns <taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org> writes: > > Most (all?) of the standard Flash memory devices these days have onboard > > controllers which can detect failing sectors in the flash memory, and will > > reroute data to spare sectors, much as HDs do these days. > > Are you sure? The JFFS2 folks don't seem to think so and anecdotal evidence > seems to bear me out. It may be that not all spare sectors are created equal. Also, if one exhausts all of the spare sectors, you're stills screwed. I can see how JFFS2 might extend the life of flash memory devices in either case. There may also be differences between different flash devices. CompactFlash is basically IDE. I don't know about the others. > > > In fact, many (most?) such products already come with software from the > > > manufacturer, even if it's not stricly necessary. > > > > But do you want to encourage this behaviour? > > No, but this is a way of life that Windows users are used to. Moving to > JFFS2 (or any trusty, open source file system) would make Linux easier to use > at the expense of Windows. Wouldn't that be nice, for a change? It would be. I'm not convinced that it'd be the industry's best course of action at this time, however. > > And how many distros come with JFFS2 drivers? > > Not many at present, I expect. How many came with ext3 when it first came > out? Ah, but at least ext3 and ext2 are interoperable, much like FAT and VFAT. > Cost (because it would appear to be minimal) isn't the issue. The concern is > that Linux could be forced to drop FAT support (due to patent infringement) > making these devices less convenient to use from within Linux. An open > source alternative like JFFS2 is a win-win solution. But that's what I've been saying. FAT support is NOT IN QUESTION. VFAT support is. Now if you want to write files with VFAT long filenames for your device to use, because those are the only ones it understands, then you're screwed. But so far nobody seems intersted in doing that, because nobody's seen fit to bother with VFAT support on these embedded devices. And if M$ tries to go after USB memory key vendors over VFAT patents, they're very very stupid, or have an ace already in the hole that we don't know about. VFAT simply uses otherwise unused space in the FAT file table to store the long filenames. That's what these patents are all about. -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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YYZTechA new computer newspaper for Toronto?
by zhunt-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

In the early 1990s there where a two free newspapers providing computing information for the Toronto audience: Toronto Computes and The Computer Paper. Since last September these two have been replaced by HUB Canada. Unfortunately, HUB seems to be more about consumer electronics and the latest Windows applications than for someone looking for for an ISP with good tech support or where to meet Linux-heads in Toronto. To this end I'd like to see who would be interested in a new computer paper for the Toronto area. This would be a free and have a pro-Linux/OpenSource stance with a focus on the Linux community here as well as providing stories of interest to Mac and, perhaps other computer systems. Currently I'm investigating using the news site The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk/) to provide some syndicated content. I'd like to get some feedback about this venture, specifically: -Is this something that is needed? -What would you like to see / not see in a computer newspaper -Would you be interested in writing or helping out? I'd like to get as much feedback as possible, so if this interest you, please e-mail me at: yyztech-KdxWn004MjY at public.gmane.org or on the list, Thanks, Zoltan Hunt www.zee4.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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central mail
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

You run an imap server on one computer. You then use fetchmail to get mail from the ISP, to that computer. The users then run any mail client that supports IMAP. Fetchmail is used only to get the mail from the ISP to the IMAP server. Chris Aitken wrote: > James Knott wrote: > > >>Fetchmail can be used to collect the mail from a POP server. > > > So, the pop server would be pop3.onlink.net as per usual? > > But the mail clients would be Fetchmail? > > Chris > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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