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City of Toronto using Linux (on the desktop, yet!)
by evan-WHMkLBA7RDE＠public.gmane.org 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

I may have missed this if it had previously been on the list. If this is a repeat, sorry. http://www.itworldcanada.com/index.cfm/ci_id/46194.htm Very interesting stuff. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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6.2 vs. 7.3
by tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

Howard Gibson <hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org> writes: > On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:47:32 -0400 > Chris Aitken <aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > I have an acer p166 (64 MB RAM, awe32 sound card, trio s3 virge video > > card) which my daughter has been using for WordPerfect 8, MSN (gaim), > > music CDs and Internet. It had RH 7.3 and ran a little slow. I upgraded > > it to 8.0 to see just how slow it would run - and, ya, it was *too* > > slow. I think the hardware is better suited to RH 6.2. That went on > > easily and everything seems a little faster. However, I can see I'll > > have to a lot of mucking around - no gaim, so I'll have to find > > something else that will run MSN, it liked my sound card but then > > announced that I'll have to compile sound support into the kernel, > > printing already gave me a little trouble. Problem is is that this is > > not a test/learning machine - this is my daughter's machine. I don't > > want to tell her she has to be off it for days and days while I learn > > about makefile, compiling the kernel (for the first time), etc. So, my > > question is: Is Rh 6.2 going to so much faster on this machine that's > > it's going to be worth my daughter being without a computer for a month > > while I try to get it to do what 7.3 will do right out of the box? > > > > Please, spare the other hundreds of people on the list, the "Gee, Chris, > > I know the answer to your problem - it's called Windows - embrace the > > Beaast." comments - or at least send it offline - thanks. > > > > Chris > > Chris, > > I have just upgraded my P233 laptop to Red Hat 8. I have 64MB of RAM, > and it too is running slowly. Definitely, I am into swap, so my second > strategy for speeding things up is more RAM. More RAM will definitely help. > My first strategy for speeding things up is to run FVWM2 instead of > Gnome or KDE. There are a couple of other small window managers out > there, but I have a long history with FVWM. There are a couple of > other FVWM freaks in this user group, so you can get help. > > There was some talk about running an FVWM demo at one of the user > meetings. Is there any more interest in this? Consider xfce4 instead. It's a lightweight, functional desktop, reminiscent of CDE. RAM hungry apps like OpenOffice or Mozilla will still be unwieldy (without a RAM upgrade) but you can run a decent desktop on this machine if you choose your components carefully. Debian is arguably a better choice for a low power machine as you have far more ready made packages to choose from; thus, you can better experiment with tradoffs between footprint and functionality. Be prepared, however, to spend a good bit of time customizing it to your liking. -- tim writer <tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> starnix inc. tollfree: 1-87-pro-linux thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Multiple installations
by tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

"Keith Mastin" <kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org> writes: > > When it comes to PC hardware, I really don't, therefore I have what's > > probably a ridiculous question. > > > > I set up a machine with a single hard drive partitioned to dual-boot > > between NT Workstation and SuSE Linux. I use my current Linux > > installation for all kinds of volatile stuff: trying out various SW > > packages, my own development projects.... I would like to have a > > second, bootable Linux environment on that computer that would stay > > relatively clean as a "production" server where I could demo stuff to > > clients without wondering what my latest downloads mangled. > > > > I've done this on Macs where it's as simple as adding another drive, > > installing a second copy of the system, and choosing which > > volume/partition to boot from. With PCs, however, I've heard horror > > stories from others about failing to boot because of number, location, > > or size of a given partition...or master vs. slave drives. Are there > > warnings/guidelines for what I want to do? (It sounds like it should > > be a "just do it", but others' experiences make me nervous.) > > Just do it. If there are problems they are workable. I would trust > linux/xBSD for this long before I would trust M$. You can share > filesystems between the installations. Windoh$ wants to be on the first > filesystem of the primary drive, linux really has no limitations in > comparison. Linux doesn't (care much about where it is) but some of the BSDs do. FreeBSD, for example, requires a primary partition which it slices in its own way (similar to logical partitions within an extended partition). Linux has support for FreeBSD slices but you have to be careful about layout as it (Linux) treats the slices as extended partitions. Consequently, installing FreeBSD in the wrong location on your disk can result in renumbering your Linux partitions. A good organization for triple booting Windows, Linux, and FreeBSD on one disk is: /dev/hda1 Windows /dev/hda2 extended /dev/hda3 FreeBSD (containing FreeBSD slices) /dev/hda4 unused /dev/hda5 Linux /dev/hda6 Linux ... /dev/hdaN Linux where hda5 through hdaN are your separate Linux partitions (e.g. /, swap, /var, /usr, and so on). In Linux, your M FreeBSD slices will be accessible as /dev/hdaN+1 through /dev/hdaN+M. Sometimes (e.g with older BIOSES that can't boot from a cylinder larger than 1024), it's advantageous to have a separate (small) /boot partition at the beginning of your disk, like this: /dev/hda1 /boot /dev/hda2 Windows /dev/hda3 extended /dev/hda4 FreeBSD (containing FreeBSD slices) /dev/hda5 Linux /dev/hda6 Linux ... /dev/hdaN Linux Note the placement of the extended partition (containg logical partitions used by Linux) before the FreeBSD partition. If the order was reversed, you'd have this arrangement: /dev/hda1 /boot /dev/hda2 Windows /dev/hda3 FreeBSD (containing FreeBSD slices, e.g. hda5, hda6, ... hdaM) /dev/hda4 extended /dev/hdaM+1 Linux /dev/hdaM+2 Linux ... /dev/hdaM+N Linux This can work but if you remove FreeBSD or simply boot Linux with a kernel w/o support for FreeBSD slices (such as a rescue kernel), your Linux partitions will be renumbered (starting from hda5 again). Needless to say, this can cause a lot of problems. -- tim writer <tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> starnix inc. tollfree: 1-87-pro-linux thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Wonderful resource about IP packets and more
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

I just found this, it's a TCP/IP pocket guide in 2 page poster format: http://pw1.netcom.com/~jsnader/pg.pdf also see the page proper: http://pw1.netcom.com/~jsnader/ very nice, and I have no connection with it, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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ping storm
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

I get lots of ping storms on my firewall log. Is this new virus pinging too or is it something else. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Learning PHP
by sidneyshapiro-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

> > There's a group of people meeting to learn PHP Thursday nights at 6pm > down at St. Christopher House at Ossington & Dundas. I'm sure you'd be > welcome to drop in and ask questions there. > > St. Chris has a computer program at that locaation that is working > towards developing a Linux/Open Source learning centre - they currently > have five or six computers that will be available for a linux conversion > in a couple of weeks so anyone interested in participating might want to > pay them a visit and talk to the coordinator Randall. > > Here's their web page: > http://www.bangthedrum.net > > I've got current versions of Libranet and Xandros that I could contribute > to this. Is there a number I could call them at? Thanks, Sidney -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Am I still on the TLUG list?
by robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy＠public.gmane.org 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Gregory Pleau wrote: > I?ve actually resorted to HOTMAIL of all things to get my mail. > Maybe you should get one of those linux.ca email accounts and forward it to > your Symcraptico address... ? That might get around the filter (haven't > tried it myself). Talking to the person who manages the box the mailing list runs on (sorry, forgotten your name :) it really doesn't sound like a filter, more like a networking problem. The symptoms as related to me so far agree with previous incarnations of pmtu problems I've seen. Rob > <SARCASM> > I?m sure it?s another ?improvement? to protect me from myself, or they got > tired of supporting Linux users on their help desk. > </SARCASM> > > - Greg > Just setting up auk-nord-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org now.... > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, zzbrock at uqconnect.net Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Am I still on the TLUG list?
by robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy＠public.gmane.org 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Mike Fisher wrote: > Hi folks, > If you see this pop up on the TLUG list please send me a short > reply saying you can see it, YES will do nicely. > I stopped receiving TLUG list email some time ago and am trying to find > out the reason. My anti-spam feature at Sympatico is turned off so it > shouldn't be that whatever Sympatico are doing. > Cheers, > Mike Fisher Hi Mike. This is a known problem. Those with email addresses on Sympatico & Rogers have been advising of problems for some weeks. I believe they are looking into it. I suspect it may be related to path MTU discovery but without a proper investigation it is hard to say. To the powers that be: I've been diagnosing network problems for more than a decade so if I can provide any help tracking down the problem please feel free to ask. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, zzbrock at uqconnect.net Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Am I still on the TLUG list?
by gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

>>>> mikefisher-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org 20/08/2003 12:12:41 pm >>> >Hi folks, >??????? If you see this pop up on the TLUG list please send me a short >reply saying you can see it, YES will do nicely. >I stopped receiving TLUG list email some time ago and am trying to find >out the reason. My anti-spam feature at Sympatico is turned off so it >shouldn't be that whatever Sympatico are doing. Yes it is Symcraptico. I have not received a single piece of TLUG on any of my six Symcraptico addresses. And apparently I'm not alone. I?ve actually resorted to HOTMAIL of all things to get my mail. Maybe you should get one of those linux.ca email accounts and forward it to your Symcraptico address... ? That might get around the filter (haven't tried it myself). <SARCASM> I?m sure it?s another ?improvement? to protect me from myself, or they got tired of supporting Linux users on their help desk. </SARCASM> - Greg Just setting up auk-nord-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org now.... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Am I still on the TLUG list?
by Alain-ZUEtzF2Y1zYAvxtiuMwx3w＠public.gmane.org 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

Yes I received this. Alain >>> mikefisher-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org 20/08/2003 12:12:41 pm >>> Hi folks, If you see this pop up on the TLUG list please send me a short reply saying you can see it, YES will do nicely. I stopped receiving TLUG list email some time ago and am trying to find out the reason. My anti-spam feature at Sympatico is turned off so it shouldn't be that whatever Sympatico are doing. Cheers, Mike Fisher -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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