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6.2 vs. 7.3
by tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

Howard Gibson <hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org> writes: > On 20 Aug 2003 21:41:01 -0400 > Tim Writer <tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > Howard Gibson <hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org> writes: > > > My first strategy for speeding things up is to run FVWM2 instead of > > > Gnome or KDE. There are a couple of other small window managers out > > > there, but I have a long history with FVWM. There are a couple of > > > other FVWM freaks in this user group, so you can get help. > > > > > > There was some talk about running an FVWM demo at one of the user > > > meetings. Is there any more interest in this? > > > > Consider xfce4 instead. It's a lightweight, functional desktop, reminiscent > > of CDE. RAM hungry apps like OpenOffice or Mozilla will still be unwieldy > > (without a RAM upgrade) but you can run a decent desktop on this machine if > > you choose your components carefully. Debian is arguably a better choice for > > a low power machine as you have far more ready made packages to choose from; > > thus, you can better experiment with tradoffs between footprint and > > functionality. Be prepared, however, to spend a good bit of time customizing > > it to your liking. > > Tim, > > I tried XFCE briefly a couple of years ago. A couple of years is a long time. Xfce4 appears to be a complete rewrite using gtk libraries. -- tim writer <tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> starnix inc. tollfree: 1-87-pro-linux thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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setserial, problem connecting: debian/woody powerpc + modem
by lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys＠public.gmane.org 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 01:05:24PM -0400, Max Blanco wrote: > > > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > > the modem is on. > > > the modem is plugged in to the line. > > > the modem works well in macos. > > > > Perhaps using some setserial command to setup /dev/ttyS0 on the hex and > > irq given would work. Don't usually bother specifying the uart or > > anything like that. > > > > # dmesg | grep tty > tty00 at 0xf3013020 (irq = 15) is a Z8530 ESCC; port = modem > tty01 at 0xf3013000 (irq = 16) is a Z8530 ESCC; port = printer > # setserial /dev/ttyS0 > /dev/ttyS0 UART: unknown Port: 0xf3013020 IRQ: 15 > # setserial /dev/ttyS1 > /dev/ttyS1 UART: unknown Port: 0xf3013000 IRQ: 16 > # rm /dev/modem > # ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/modem > # cat chatfile > ABORT BUSY ABORT 'NO CARRIER' '' ATZ OK ATDT 4165551212 > > # chat -f chatfile > > did not connect. What is the problem here? Well after asking a PPC user, he says the setserial output looks normal (macs have no UART apparently) and the port and irq looks fine. Perhaps the cable to the modem is the wrong kind or broken, or the modem doesn't work. Can you try the modem with another machine (PC perhaps) to check it? Also make sure you are using the right port on the back, and apparently modem and printer cables although they look similar are not interchangable on a mac (I think the modem one is crossover and the printer one isn't.) Are you sure it works in MacOS as it is right now? Which kernel version are you using? Could you try: cat > /dev/ttyS0 +++ATH0 ATE1V1 AT&Q <control-d> Which lights are on on the modem? Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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testing: please ignore
by verbum-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

Universal Coordinated Time (= UTC = EST+5 = EDT+4): 20030821T195346Z testing testing testing Please ignore. Tom = Tom Karmo http://www.metascientia.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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City of Toronto using Linux (on the desktop, yet!)
by pmills-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q＠public.gmane.org 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 11:30 AM, Max Blanco wrote: > I hope you larded your letter with buzzwords like "redundant systems", > "failsafe backups", etc. No, I'd put that into a longer piece. My main point this morning was that this stuff is now referenced like inevitable, "force of nature"-type events that "just happen" to these poor organizations...instead of being the predictable outcome of poorly considered business decisions. I tried to stay at the philosophical level rather than the technical. If I could get people to believe that quality was as least as important as herd instinct when choosing a system, then would be a good time to bring up the details of sane configuration and management. ........................ Phillip Mills Multi-platform software development (416) 224-0714 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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setserial, problem connecting: debian/woody powerpc + modem
by blanco-S8qYAnHmZTt34ZA5RureAJ4VBq8PJc8F＠public.gmane.org 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > the modem is on. > > the modem is plugged in to the line. > > the modem works well in macos. > > Perhaps using some setserial command to setup /dev/ttyS0 on the hex and > irq given would work. Don't usually bother specifying the uart or > anything like that. > # dmesg | grep tty tty00 at 0xf3013020 (irq = 15) is a Z8530 ESCC; port = modem tty01 at 0xf3013000 (irq = 16) is a Z8530 ESCC; port = printer # setserial /dev/ttyS0 /dev/ttyS0 UART: unknown Port: 0xf3013020 IRQ: 15 # setserial /dev/ttyS1 /dev/ttyS1 UART: unknown Port: 0xf3013000 IRQ: 16 # rm /dev/modem # ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/modem # cat chatfile ABORT BUSY ABORT 'NO CARRIER' '' ATZ OK ATDT 4165551212 # chat -f chatfile did not connect. What is the problem here? tia, max. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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lost mail
by robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy＠public.gmane.org 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Madison Kelly wrote: > I think Bill has narrowed the problem to being a fresh-post problem. I > replied to his message which came through fine then immidiately sent a > repost of a new message I tried to send last night, and it did NOT come > through (again). Without further testing it is hard to say. I still think the problem related to path mtu discovery. Fortunmately this is easy to test. Whoever has access to the mail server just needs to look for the file /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_no_pmtu_disc. If the file is not present then pmtu is not running and we don't need to worry about it. If the file does exist, and contains a 0, set it to 1 to turn off pmtu discovery. If the problem goes away it was pmtu discovery afterall. If the problem does not go away then it was not the problem. When I have seen this problem before it has allowed some emails through but not others, even to the same site. Whether an email got through or not was because: (a) it was small enough to not get fragmented at a packet level so pmtu didn't matter or (b) the routing path was changing and so the packets weren't passing through the broken router/firewall. For those interested the problems with pmtu discovery relate largely to misconfigured routers and firewalls, specifically people blocking tcp header info that was "reserved for future use" and then failing to unblock it when the future use came about. Cheers, Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, zzbrock at uqconnect.net Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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City of Toronto using Linux (on the desktop, yet!)
by blanco-S8qYAnHmZTt34ZA5RureAJ4VBq8PJc8F＠public.gmane.org 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Phillip Mills wrote: > On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 08:41 AM, Max Blanco wrote: > > > Shouldn't we, as taxpayers, invest in linux, and save ourselves and our > > neighbours $$$ and stress? > > I just sent a letter to the Globe and Mail (we'll see what happens) > suggesting that exposing Microsoft products to the Internet, and > thereby inviting vandals to "have at it", is an abuse of the trust we > put in civil servants to manage resources for the good of the taxpayers. > (This in reference to a recent article titled, "Blaster Worm hampering > power repair.") > I hope you larded your letter with buzzwords like "redundant systems", "failsafe backups", etc. The CDROM installation of linux of which City employee Jody McConkey spoke is painless and secure and, tho' I have no experience with virii, could be updated to curtail the behaviour of the virus within fifteen minutes. (just update /etc/services?) It seems to me that we might prevail upon a writer with whom the tlug had an acquaintance to listen and publish an article. I deleted an email about David Ticoll, a Globe writer, not too long ago. It had to do with installation... Maybe he could be persuaded to lend an ear? > > Shouldn't we, as taxpayers, invest in linux, and save ourselves and our > > neighbours $$$ and stress? I feel that this is an important question. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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lost mail
by linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

I think Bill has narrowed the problem to being a fresh-post problem. I replied to his message which came through fine then immidiately sent a repost of a new message I tried to send last night, and it did NOT come through (again). Admins?? Maddy Sidney Shapiro wrote: > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of > > Madison > >>Kelly >>Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:31 AM >>To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >>Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Re: lost mail >> >>Same here... I posted last night and nothing yet. Are you guys on >>Sympatico? >> >>Maddy > > > > I am on Rogers and have noticed posts going through slow, or not at all. > > Sid > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Am I still on the TLUG list?
by matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

"Gregory Pleau" <gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org> writes: > I've actually resorted to HOTMAIL of all things to get my mail. > Maybe you should get one of those linux.ca email accounts and forward it to > your Symcraptico address... ? That might get around the filter (haven't > tried it myself). > - Greg > Just setting up auk-nord-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org now.... Hi Greg, Let me know if this works. linux.ca is hosted at the same colo as ss.org and is also a TLUG/Drew Sullivan computer. BTW, for everyone that is interested in an @linux.ca alias, it is a free service that just forwards yourloginname-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org to the e-mail address that you registered with. TTYL, -- matthew rice <matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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lost mail
by sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g＠public.gmane.org 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Madison > Kelly > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:31 AM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Re: lost mail > > Same here... I posted last night and nothing yet. Are you guys on > Sympatico? > > Maddy I am on Rogers and have noticed posts going through slow, or not at all. Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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