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by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

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when dealing with an extortionist
by kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w＠public.gmane.org 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

> It seems that the Open Source community has indicated its willingness to > make a deal with the SCO extortionists. > > http://linuxtoday.com/developer/2003081901726OSCYLL At first glance, it doesn't look to me like this is a deal at all. It looks more like the OSC wanting to keep their own back yard and name clean. > In my opinion this is a very dangerous tactic but I recognize that the > court system may be many things but fair isn't one of them. Agreed, they just want to look fair while screwing the little guy. > In my opinion if we are going to cut a deal with SCO as an Open Source > community it should contain some elements which ensure that they will > never be a problem again: Mmmm. Better to keep that within OSS control rather than depending on SCO to do anything. Any deal will be written by shysters at a huge expense. OTOH, if SCO steps out of line, there shouldn't be any hesitation to call them on it. <snip> > In return the Linux community should remove the contentious pieces of > source code from the 2.6 source tree ( presumably until the matter of > ownership is clarified by a court ). This seems to be the spirit of things, but in the interest of keeping the code pristine rather than to appease SCO. We always have to remember that if someone doesn't honor a proprietary license that they might not honor the copyleft either. I think that attitude is pretty much prevalent within the community. We are not a bunch of Warez advocates, although there are always some who would rather not pay anythng. I think that there's a lot of OSS advocates who will pay for opensource apps and programs if they work. -- Keith Mastin BeechTree Information Technology Services Inc. Toronto, Canada (416)696 6070 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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GHOSTing Linux drives seems to have problems with the boot sector
by kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

At 11:58 AM 07/30/2003 -0400, teddymills wrote: >GHOSTing Linux drive seems to have problems with the boot sector. >All the Linux and data gets ghosted ok, but the drives do not boot up >properly. I am not sure what you mean by GHOSTing Linux. From the rest of the messages related to this topic, it seems like you are trying to find a way to have some redundancy in the data on your hard drive(s). Since you already have one or more spare drives you want to use for the GHOSTing operation, wouldn't it be easier and/or simpler to use the spare drives to set up a RAID 1 (disk mirror) configuration? Then you won't have to worry about boot sector problems, etc. Cheers! Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: Packet:ve3syb at ve3yra.#con.on.ca.na| Try to assimilate the world!" #include <disclaimer/favourite> | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Question re: Qmail and disk quotas
by kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

Greetings, all. I have imposed disk quotas on some users on a machine I administer. The machine runs Qmail and the mail for certain domains is placed under the home directory of the user that owns the domain. If the user goes over quota and exceeds the grace period, they will no longer be able to create new files until they get back under the soft quota limit. If an account goes over quota for longer than the grace period how will this affect their incoming mail? Will qmail still deliver their mail in to their account or will it be bounced? I don't have a user anywhere near their quota limits yet. I'm just checking on expected behaviour. Cheers! Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: Packet:ve3syb at ve3yra.#con.on.ca.na| Try to assimilate the world!" #include <disclaimer/favourite> | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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when dealing with an extortionist
by fcsoft-rxKNY4w4koG3ikBYyZqyVg＠public.gmane.org 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

It seems that the Open Source community has indicated its willingness to make a deal with the SCO extortionists. http://linuxtoday.com/developer/2003081901726OSCYLL In my opinion this is a very dangerous tactic but I recognize that the court system may be many things but fair isn't one of them. In my opinion if we are going to cut a deal with SCO as an Open Source community it should contain some elements which ensure that they will never be a problem again: a) SCO must cease to be a Linux distributor permanently b) SCO must agree to never bundle any Open Source code with its core SCO product going forward c) SCO must agree to never use any Open Source tools in its development chain In return the Linux community should remove the contentious pieces of source code from the 2.6 source tree ( presumably until the matter of ownership is clarified by a court ). Meanwhile as an Open Source community we should crank it up a notch and continue to innovate like crazy and lose the closed source companies in our dust. We should pool the millions of dollars that would have been spent on legal costs and set up a foundation to helping independent Open Source projects help their developers eat. The reality of this whole debate is that those elements of the Linux kernel that are at the centre of the dispute are the big enterprise features on Intel boxes. Those are the elements on which the big two (IBM and HP) are sucking all the available profits at the moment. The bulk of the rest of the Open Source community is working on aspects (and trying to eek out a living ) of the Open Source pool that is ultimately going to consume all the competition in areas such as: i) programming tools ii) embedded development iii) web services iv) desktop -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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TLUG vs Sympatico
by billt-l+PWtdWbHAuXFJAUJl40Xg＠public.gmane.org 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

On the subject of disconnect/reconnect brought up. The procedure is that when you disconnect the sympatico line a disconnect order is sent for a disconnect on a specific day. If a reconnect order is recieved prior to that day the computer program will detect this and overide the disconnect work order. The new work order will be a "reprogram" instead of "pull the card". This was the 3 million dollar upgrade I was responsible for back in 1999. On "why use pppoe". PPPoe is used because it allows for changing peoples ip addresses seemlessly without requiring a disconnect/reconnect sequence. PPPoe was compitable with the method used for billing of IP services that ALL odf the telcos in North America agreed upon nearly a decade ago, so instead of changing the billing system, they added the extra layer. Hope this has been enlightening. Bill On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 05:55:54PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 10:44:19AM -0400, Keith Mastin wrote: > > Unfortunately, this doesn't work unless you have 2 unique PICs. I run into > > this all the time. Bell pulls the DSLAM on directions from Sympatico and > > then plugs another one in on direction from the new provider. You might be > > able to get it down to 4 days if you have an insider at Bell, but I > > wouldn't count on it. > > > > Sometimes, you just have to bite the bullet. > > Actually you can use multiple dsl providers at the same time and select > based on the pppoe parameters you set. Your line is either DSL enabled > or it isn't, there is no choice of which equipment it plugs into. That > is the whole reason they use pppoe in the first place. It is to select > the other end of your tunnel. > > It is possible that when you disconnect sympatico they will order > disconnect even though you now have service with another provider. > Perhaps the new provider will have some method of ensuring they don't do > so. Ask them, since I imagine it is a common question that they > probably have the answer to. > > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Distributions' differences
by pmills-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q＠public.gmane.org 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 11:22 AM, Keith Mastin wrote: > Coca-Cola/Pepsi, Labatts/Molsons... which is > better? Oh, I've been around computers long enough to know not to ask THAT! (Apple ][, TRS-80; Atari, Amiga....) But my assumption/experience is that various distributions target various audiences. (I remember the Corel one having Wizard-everything; conversely I've installed -- some years ago -- by searching for a kernel that had the basic drivers I needed, creating a boot-floppy on Windows....) Actually, I think the "distrowatch" site has what I need where it describes some history and motivation...rather than popularity. Thanks to all for the help. ........................ Phillip Mills Multi-platform software development (416) 224-0714 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Distributions' differences
by kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w＠public.gmane.org 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

> Over the years I've used only a few different Linux distributions. Can > anyone summarize differences in substance or style among most of what > exists? ...perhaps a website that compares or describes the most > likely audience for the various types...especially in terms of how > technically adept the user/admin needs to be? .. pretty difficult to do with any degree of accuracy, as what you're asking is so subjective. Even putting a poll together probably won't give you the data you're looking for, as the results would depend on the respondants and their degree of technical proficiency, plus whatever prejudices they carry. Coca-Cola/Pepsi, Labatts/Molsons... which is better? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Distributions' differences
by lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys＠public.gmane.org 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 08:11:42AM -0400, Phillip Mills wrote: > Over the years I've used only a few different Linux distributions. Can > anyone summarize differences in substance or style among most of what > exists? ...perhaps a website that compares or describes the most > likely audience for the various types...especially in terms of how > technically adept the user/admin needs to be? Well main differences that matter are: Installer (some are friendly, some have many features, some let you choose everything, others give you what makes sense to many new users). Package management (or lack thereof). Some have full dependancy checking, auto download from mirror sites, simple upgrades. Some have some of that but requrie you to download the packages yourself and then install them. Some have no dependancy handling and just put the files on the drive for you. Some use source code only. Configuration and management: Some have GUIs to "help" you with everything, some have command line tools, some expect you to edit the config files yourself. Some allow multiple of those. Default desktop: Some come with a nicely configured ready to use desktop environment, some have multiple choices of desktops, some ave none. Some force you to have one, some let you choose, and some just don't give you anything. Release cycle: Some distributions release every X months, sometimes even if they aren't fully tested. Some only release when they are done (even if it takes years between releases). Some have multiple levels of release that you can choose from, from very stable to leading edge but not fully tested. As for what is best, that depends on the user's experience level, how low level into the nit picky stuff they like to get, and how much control they expect to have over things. Some are very efficient time wise for admins who need to admin many machines, possibly remotely, and can be managed quickly and simply using ssh only. Others are more like windows and need to you run X applications to change settings (unless you know what file to edit and what the exact syntax is.) Which distribution fits what is also arguable (and people do argue about it.) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Multiple installations
by kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w＠public.gmane.org 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

> When it comes to PC hardware, I really don't, therefore I have what's > probably a ridiculous question. > > I set up a machine with a single hard drive partitioned to dual-boot > between NT Workstation and SuSE Linux. I use my current Linux > installation for all kinds of volatile stuff: trying out various SW > packages, my own development projects.... I would like to have a > second, bootable Linux environment on that computer that would stay > relatively clean as a "production" server where I could demo stuff to > clients without wondering what my latest downloads mangled. > > I've done this on Macs where it's as simple as adding another drive, > installing a second copy of the system, and choosing which > volume/partition to boot from. With PCs, however, I've heard horror > stories from others about failing to boot because of number, location, > or size of a given partition...or master vs. slave drives. Are there > warnings/guidelines for what I want to do? (It sounds like it should > be a "just do it", but others' experiences make me nervous.) Just do it. If there are problems they are workable. I would trust linux/xBSD for this long before I would trust M$. You can share filesystems between the installations. Windoh$ wants to be on the first filesystem of the primary drive, linux really has no limitations in comparison. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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