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lost mail
by linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

Humm, I never noticed that... I will try reposting my message from last night fresh and see what happenes. (It is off topic anyway so I guess it's okay if it gets lost! :) ). Maddy bill traynor wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: > >> Same here... I posted last night and nothing yet. Are you guys on >> Sympatico? > > > Nope, Rogers. > > Funny, my replies are getting through, but my new posts are not. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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lost mail
by btraynor-zC6tqtfhjqE＠public.gmane.org 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

Madison Kelly wrote: > Same here... I posted last night and nothing yet. Are you guys on > Sympatico? Nope, Rogers. Funny, my replies are getting through, but my new posts are not. > > Maddy > > bill traynor wrote: > >> Peter L. Peres wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have posted a message to this list twice, in the last 2 hours. I have >>> not seen it. It is relative to the SCO vs. Linux debate. Who or what >>> do I >>> need to do or contact to clarify where my email got deleted ? >>> >>> >> >> For the record, I've posted a few times in the last 24 hours and the >> posts seem to get lost in the netherworld. Oh well, I'll try again. >> >>> Peter >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml >> > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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lost mail
by linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

Same here... I posted last night and nothing yet. Are you guys on Sympatico? Maddy bill traynor wrote: > Peter L. Peres wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I have posted a message to this list twice, in the last 2 hours. I have >> not seen it. It is relative to the SCO vs. Linux debate. Who or what do I >> need to do or contact to clarify where my email got deleted ? >> >> > > For the record, I've posted a few times in the last 24 hours and the > posts seem to get lost in the netherworld. Oh well, I'll try again. > >> Peter >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml >> >> >> > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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lost mail
by btraynor-zC6tqtfhjqE＠public.gmane.org 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

Peter L. Peres wrote: >Hi, > >I have posted a message to this list twice, in the last 2 hours. I have >not seen it. It is relative to the SCO vs. Linux debate. Who or what do I >need to do or contact to clarify where my email got deleted ? > > For the record, I've posted a few times in the last 24 hours and the posts seem to get lost in the netherworld. Oh well, I'll try again. >Peter >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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City of Toronto using Linux (on the desktop, yet!)
by pmills-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q＠public.gmane.org 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 08:41 AM, Max Blanco wrote: > Shouldn't we, as taxpayers, invest in linux, and save ourselves and our > neighbours $$$ and stress? I just sent a letter to the Globe and Mail (we'll see what happens) suggesting that exposing Microsoft products to the Internet, and thereby inviting vandals to "have at it", is an abuse of the trust we put in civil servants to manage resources for the good of the taxpayers. (This in reference to a recent article titled, "Blaster Worm hampering power repair.") ........................ Phillip Mills Multi-platform software development (416) 224-0714 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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6.2 vs. 7.3
by anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

Tim Writer wrote: >Howard Gibson <hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org> writes: > > >More RAM will definitely help. > > I agree. I found that a RAM upgrade from 64MB to 192MB will almost double your overall performance. > > >> My first strategy for speeding things up is to run FVWM2 instead of >> Gnome or KDE. There are a couple of other small window managers out >> there, but I have a long history with FVWM. There are a couple of >> other FVWM freaks in this user group, so you can get help. >> >> There was some talk about running an FVWM demo at one of the user >> meetings. Is there any more interest in this? >> >> > >Consider xfce4 instead. It's a lightweight, functional desktop, reminiscent >of CDE. > Also have a look at Fluxbox. It is a very simple yet powerful window manager with a right-click based menu system for starting applications and configuration. Great for customized setups; it doesn't share Redhat's default menus. --- Anton -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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City of Toronto using Linux (on the desktop, yet!)
by blanco-S8qYAnHmZTt34ZA5RureAJ4VBq8PJc8F＠public.gmane.org 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > http://www.itworldcanada.com/index.cfm/ci_id/46194.htm > The Metro Ref library at 789 Yonge St has over 100 desktop computers, all running windows. (The TPL runs windows exclusively.) Linux systems are cheap and easy; the IT staff at "Children's Services Division" of the City know that already, as reported by itworld. Windows systems are expensive to operate and maintain and may be a primary cause of stress. Perhaps this leads to road rage and spousal or child abuse. Shouldn't we, as taxpayers, invest in linux, and save ourselves and our neighbours $$$ and stress? A good place to start might be to ask for linux to be installed on one computer in the Metro Ref. This would be a prime location to educate John Q. Public... cheekily yours, max. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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City of Toronto using Linux (on the desktop, yet!)
by fcsoft-rxKNY4w4koG3ikBYyZqyVg＠public.gmane.org 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

Even more interesting when you find out that it was essentially implemented by Sun Microsystems ... one of the two major vendors who have publically acknowledged financing our current IP extortionist. At 09:48 PM 8/20/03 -0400, you wrote: >I may have missed this if it had previously been on the list. If this is a >repeat, sorry. > >http://www.itworldcanada.com/index.cfm/ci_id/46194.htm > >Very interesting stuff. > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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6.2 vs. 7.3
by hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ＠public.gmane.org 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

On 20 Aug 2003 21:41:01 -0400 Tim Writer <tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> wrote: > Howard Gibson <hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org> writes: > > My first strategy for speeding things up is to run FVWM2 instead of > > Gnome or KDE. There are a couple of other small window managers out > > there, but I have a long history with FVWM. There are a couple of > > other FVWM freaks in this user group, so you can get help. > > > > There was some talk about running an FVWM demo at one of the user > > meetings. Is there any more interest in this? > > Consider xfce4 instead. It's a lightweight, functional desktop, reminiscent > of CDE. RAM hungry apps like OpenOffice or Mozilla will still be unwieldy > (without a RAM upgrade) but you can run a decent desktop on this machine if > you choose your components carefully. Debian is arguably a better choice for > a low power machine as you have far more ready made packages to choose from; > thus, you can better experiment with tradoffs between footprint and > functionality. Be prepared, however, to spend a good bit of time customizing > it to your liking. Tim, I tried XFCE briefly a couple of years ago. It buggered up my Gnome configuration somehow. It wrote over Sawfish theme I had picked out. This probably is irrelevant now, since they keep changing Gnome. I used to use FVWM2 as my Gnome window manager, but then Gnome changed and intercepted the mouse menus, which are one of the things I like about FVWM. Wasn't somebody around here working on a distribution for older smaller computers? -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howard-42qnO8ePF9cV+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Learning PHP
by sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g＠public.gmane.org 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

> > At 02:32 AM 08/20/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >Does anyone know of a good course to learn PHP from absolutely nothing? > >Before anyone tells me to RTFM, I would like to learn from someone else > >and ask questions :) > > A course would be one way to learn PHP. Do you need one? It would depend > on > your background. If you have used Perl and/or C in the past then you may > be > able to pick up one of those "Teach Yourself PHP in X Days" type books. I > have been programming a long time (over 20 years) and have used a variety > of languages. A decent reference text is all I need to pick up the > specific > syntax of a new language and to learn what are the available built-in > library routines to do various things. I went through the first 8 hours of > an "...in 24 hours" book on PHP in about 1 hour and another 2 hours for > the > next several "hours" in the book. > > Picking up a book can be much cheaper than most formal courses and you can > go at your own pace. It will depend on how much programming background you > have, if you have used languages with similar syntax, and if you can pick > things up from books easily (some people can't). YMMV (Your Mileage May > Vary before someone asks. :-) It all depends, I find that while I can learn a lot from a book sometimes, (for example going from zero to newbie using the RH bible), I don't always have the luxury of six months to spend on something like this. I don't have much programming experience aside from Lingo and HTML, and thought it would be easier to learn by example from someone else. Its also good to be able to ask questions when you get stuck. Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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