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by blanco-S8qYAnHmZTt34ZA5RureAJ4VBq8PJc8F＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Phillip Mills wrote: > No, I'd put that into a longer piece. My main point this morning was > that this stuff is now referenced like inevitable, "force of > nature"-type events that "just happen" to these poor > organizations...instead of being the predictable outcome of poorly > considered business decisions. > I think your analysis of the "force of nature" is spot on. I didn't see your letter in today's online version of the G+M. Care to share? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO has valid case
by rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

You are attempting to remove my voice even though I have the same right to speak as you do. I think I have valid information to post. What is your last name....Emir? I think I hear your mom calling... RickT On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 17:10:22 -0400, Emir <emir-rdkfGonbjUTTQjIoRn/dzw at public.gmane.org> wrote : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 22/08/2003 16:54, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > > | Cool your jets buddy, I'm just passing along what I saw. > | I'm entitled to my opinion like everyone else. > > 1. No jets to cool. > 2. I'm not your buddy. > 3. You're making a statement of fact on something you simply have no way of > knowing. "They have a valid case" are your exact words, I'm not misconstruing > anything. Can that be taken as anything but a statement of fact? I don't > think so. > 4. You're entitled to your opinion, but if you want to express it in a public > forum then you ought to make it clear that it's *your* opinion and the readers > will decide how relevant it is, which in this particular case really isn't, as > we have already established you're not judge in a US Court of Law with > jurisdiction over this case. > > > - -- > Emir. > > "The rancorous Supreme Court pronouncement on the 2000 Presidential election > ~ ought to remind everyone that the US' legal system is at best a lottery, > ~ and at worst, deeply swayed by human vices." -- Andrew Orlowski > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQE/Roa+uSy542G+Z7QRAgJ9AJ9V1iWv8yKoLmwRy4JK1Leesrjc3ACfTRLi > 3AkLR5kzRP1pT8imLiE+A3A= > =ekC+ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO has valid case
by ekgab-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

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SCO has valid case
by emir-rdkfGonbjUTTQjIoRn/dzw＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 22/08/2003 16:54, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: | Cool your jets buddy, I'm just passing along what I saw. | I'm entitled to my opinion like everyone else. 1. No jets to cool. 2. I'm not your buddy. 3. You're making a statement of fact on something you simply have no way of knowing. "They have a valid case" are your exact words, I'm not misconstruing anything. Can that be taken as anything but a statement of fact? I don't think so. 4. You're entitled to your opinion, but if you want to express it in a public forum then you ought to make it clear that it's *your* opinion and the readers will decide how relevant it is, which in this particular case really isn't, as we have already established you're not judge in a US Court of Law with jurisdiction over this case. - -- Emir. "The rancorous Supreme Court pronouncement on the 2000 Presidential election ~ ought to remind everyone that the US' legal system is at best a lottery, ~ and at worst, deeply swayed by human vices." -- Andrew Orlowski -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/Roa+uSy542G+Z7QRAgJ9AJ9V1iWv8yKoLmwRy4JK1Leesrjc3ACfTRLi 3AkLR5kzRP1pT8imLiE+A3A= =ekC+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO has valid case
by ekgab-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

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SCO has valid case
by rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

Cool your jets buddy, I'm just passing along what I saw. I'm entitled to my opinion like everyone else. RickT On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:44:48 -0400, Emir <emir-rdkfGonbjUTTQjIoRn/dzw at public.gmane.org> wrote : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 22/08/2003 16:10, rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > | I was at SCO Forum this week and viewed some of the disputed code and > | SCO's explanations both without and with NDA. They have a valid case. > | Linux kernel 2.4 to 2.6 contains AIX code which allows scalability > | beyond that which would have been available in a "regular development > | timeframe". Anyone interested in a copy of the non-nda PPT let me know > | and I'll email you a copy. I've tried several postings to the list > | server but it does'nt seem to be working. > > Couple of points here, Rick: > > 1. Unless you're a judge in a US Court of Law with jurisdiction over this > case, I'd strongly recommend you *never* state it as a fact that SCO does or > does not have a valid case. Signing SCO's NDA and sitting through their > PowerPoint presentation doesn't make you qualified to make such judgments, at > least not in a public forum such as this one. Nobody's gonna stop you, but it > can't be considered anything but FUD and thus your credibility takes the > one-way trip down the sewers of our fine City. > > 2. Assuming it's the same presentation everyone else saw, it's already been > taken apart by many UNIX experts, and Bruce Perens himself wrote an analysis > of the presentation (http://www.perens.com/SCO/SCOSlideShow.html) > > 3. Let's talk logic for a moment here: IBM is at risk to lose $3bn, maybe > more, from a company they can buy for $25M. Do you honestly think IBM's army > of IP lawyers (and IBM is rumoured to have the largest collection of those in > history of human kind) overlooked that and it took *you* to figure the case is > in SCO's favour? > > At the end, I'm gonna tell you something you should've been told a long time > ago: not everything you see on a PowerPoint slide is necessarily true. > > > - -- > Emir. > > "The rancorous Supreme Court pronouncement on the 2000 Presidential election > ~ ought to remind everyone that the US' legal system is at best a lottery, > ~ and at worst, deeply swayed by human vices." -- Andrew Orlowski > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQE/RoDAuSy542G+Z7QRAkKMAKCLsA9tfnF+oMR00aOBQEB8IQf4SACfWDfS > qD03b4L0/3ootp3N7J5xsEA= > =5Dda > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO has valid case
by emir-rdkfGonbjUTTQjIoRn/dzw＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 22/08/2003 16:10, rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org wrote: | I was at SCO Forum this week and viewed some of the disputed code and | SCO's explanations both without and with NDA. They have a valid case. | Linux kernel 2.4 to 2.6 contains AIX code which allows scalability | beyond that which would have been available in a "regular development | timeframe". Anyone interested in a copy of the non-nda PPT let me know | and I'll email you a copy. I've tried several postings to the list | server but it does'nt seem to be working. Couple of points here, Rick: 1. Unless you're a judge in a US Court of Law with jurisdiction over this case, I'd strongly recommend you *never* state it as a fact that SCO does or does not have a valid case. Signing SCO's NDA and sitting through their PowerPoint presentation doesn't make you qualified to make such judgments, at least not in a public forum such as this one. Nobody's gonna stop you, but it can't be considered anything but FUD and thus your credibility takes the one-way trip down the sewers of our fine City. 2. Assuming it's the same presentation everyone else saw, it's already been taken apart by many UNIX experts, and Bruce Perens himself wrote an analysis of the presentation (http://www.perens.com/SCO/SCOSlideShow.html) 3. Let's talk logic for a moment here: IBM is at risk to lose $3bn, maybe more, from a company they can buy for $25M. Do you honestly think IBM's army of IP lawyers (and IBM is rumoured to have the largest collection of those in history of human kind) overlooked that and it took *you* to figure the case is in SCO's favour? At the end, I'm gonna tell you something you should've been told a long time ago: not everything you see on a PowerPoint slide is necessarily true. - -- Emir. "The rancorous Supreme Court pronouncement on the 2000 Presidential election ~ ought to remind everyone that the US' legal system is at best a lottery, ~ and at worst, deeply swayed by human vices." -- Andrew Orlowski -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/RoDAuSy542G+Z7QRAkKMAKCLsA9tfnF+oMR00aOBQEB8IQf4SACfWDfS qD03b4L0/3ootp3N7J5xsEA= =5Dda -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO has valid case
by rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

I was skeptical but they have a compelling case. In the ppt there are "greek characters" on 2 pages which I had to sign an NDA to view. To the best of my knowledge most of the disputed code was available at SCO FORUM since only 27+ lines of code are required to sue IBM. SCO is a legitimate and complete owner of UNIX System V despite Novell's claims to the contrary. Don't shoot me I'm only the messenger. I have stakes in Novell, Linux, SCO and other computing interests. THE LIST SERVER IS'N WORKING PROPERLY!!! Best regards, Rick Tomaschuk rickt-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org Novell Resource http://www.TorontoNUI.ca On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:17:12 -0400, bill traynor <btraynor-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org> wrote : > rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > >I was at SCO Forum this week and viewed some of the disputed code and > >SCO's explanations both without and with NDA. They have a valid case. > >Linux kernel 2.4 to 2.6 contains AIX code which allows scalability > >beyond that which would have been available in a "regular development > >timeframe". Anyone interested in a copy of the non-nda PPT let me know > >and I'll email you a copy. I've tried several postings to the list > >server but it does'nt seem to be working. > > > > > Then why won't they just show everyone the code? > > And I'd like a copy of the PPT, please email to btraynor-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org > > Thanks > Bill > > >Rick Tomaschuk > >rickt-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org > >Novell Resource: http://www.TorontoNUI.ca > >-- > >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > > > > > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO has valid case
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org wrote: > I was at SCO Forum this week and viewed some of the disputed code and > SCO's explanations both without and with NDA. They have a valid case. > Linux kernel 2.4 to 2.6 contains AIX code which allows scalability > beyond that which would have been available in a "regular development > timeframe". Anyone interested in a copy of the non-nda PPT let me know > and I'll email you a copy. I've tried several postings to the list > server but it does'nt seem to be working. I would like one. Maybe put it on a webpage ? Why won't the list server handle it ? Is it large ? tia, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO has valid case
by btraynor-zC6tqtfhjqE＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org wrote: >I was at SCO Forum this week and viewed some of the disputed code and >SCO's explanations both without and with NDA. They have a valid case. >Linux kernel 2.4 to 2.6 contains AIX code which allows scalability >beyond that which would have been available in a "regular development >timeframe". Anyone interested in a copy of the non-nda PPT let me know >and I'll email you a copy. I've tried several postings to the list >server but it does'nt seem to be working. > > Then why won't they just show everyone the code? And I'd like a copy of the PPT, please email to btraynor-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Thanks Bill >Rick Tomaschuk >rickt-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org >Novell Resource: http://www.TorontoNUI.ca >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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