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CLIC - How do we join?
by fcsoft-rxKNY4w4koG3ikBYyZqyVg＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

After viewing the interesting article at: http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2003082200226NWCYLL and then going to the website at: http://www.linux.ca/clic/ It was completely not obvious as to how one goes about joining this effort. Anyone else found the secret passage? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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setserial, problem connecting: debian/woody powerpc + modem
by lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 09:42:44PM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote: > Max Blanco said: > > # dmesg | grep tty > > tty00 at 0xf3013020 (irq = 15) is a Z8530 ESCC; port = modem > > tty01 at 0xf3013000 (irq = 16) is a Z8530 ESCC; port = printer > > # setserial /dev/ttyS0 > > /dev/ttyS0 UART: unknown Port: 0xf3013020 IRQ: 15 > > # setserial /dev/ttyS1 > > /dev/ttyS1 UART: unknown Port: 0xf3013000 IRQ: 16 > > Maybe it's just me, but dmesg says "tty00" while you used "ttyS0" for > setserial. Have you tried "setserial /dev/tty00" ? At the very least, do > an "ls -l tty*" (which you may have to pipe through less) and see what you > find. > HPH! And on an x86 it says ttyS00 and ttyS01 when the normal names in /dev are ttyS0 and ttyS1. /dev entries are just names for a major/minor device. They mean nothing other than a reference method. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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many mails missing this August
by verbum-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

I've had many posts go missing. Rob Brockway has just pointed out that LARGE mails are particularly vulnerable. This may explain why my test mails show up, and yet my larger postings vanish. I've had this problem for perhaps the past 3 or 5 weeks. Tom = Tom Karmo 416-971-6955 http://www.metascientia.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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throuh which /dev port does "chat" cmd look?
by blanco-S8qYAnHmZTt34ZA5RureAJ4VBq8PJc8F＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

Through which /dev port does "chat" cmd look? I can't find this info anywhere in the chat man page. There exists no "usr/share/doc/chat" directory. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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PROBLEM SOLVED! 8) was Re:setserial, problem connecting: debian/woody powerpc + modem
by blanco-S8qYAnHmZTt34ZA5RureAJ4VBq8PJc8F＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Kareem Shehata wrote: > Max Blanco said: > > # dmesg | grep tty > > tty00 at 0xf3013020 (irq = 15) is a Z8530 ESCC; port = modem > > tty01 at 0xf3013000 (irq = 16) is a Z8530 ESCC; port = printer > > # setserial /dev/ttyS0 > > /dev/ttyS0 UART: unknown Port: 0xf3013020 IRQ: 15 > > # setserial /dev/ttyS1 > > /dev/ttyS1 UART: unknown Port: 0xf3013000 IRQ: 16 > > Maybe it's just me, but dmesg says "tty00" while you used "ttyS0" for > setserial. Have you tried "setserial /dev/tty00" ? At the very least, do > an "ls -l tty*" (which you may have to pipe through less) and see what you > find. > HPH! > No. It's not just you. It's an indirection used by the ppc kernel to mislead inexperienced ppc users like yours truly. It SAYS "tty00"; it MEANS "ttyS0". That's problem number one. Lennart helped me to discover that. Thanks, Lennart! The "setserial /dev/ttyS0" command and the "dmesg | grep tty" must match for hex port number and irq. (Else, setserial allows one to change settings. Oddly, the kernel "knew" it was misleading! The kernel put the right hex address and irq in /dev/ttyS0 but instead it chose to report /dev/tty00 in the dmesg.) My problem was at least three-fold: 1) I didn't watch the modem lights hawkishly while I cycled through the /dev/tty* 2) I didn't know about the setserial command at first 3) my chat script was (and is) faulty Once I had straightened out the /dev/tty00 -> /dev/ttyS0 fubar, and with the help of Lennart's "cat > /dev/ttyS0" instruction, I knew I could talk to the modem. I tried the chat script and got stumped. That's when I searched through the debian diskset: I dug through my cdrom sets for minicom and it was on a debian disk labelled "binary-2". I'm writing to you now through my ppc modem... sheesh! Two weeks of off-and-on debugging. Thanks to all who helped. (If anyone needs any modem help with ppc, send him my way.) cheers, max. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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setserial, problem connecting: debian/woody powerpc + modem
by kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q＠public.gmane.org 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

Max Blanco said: > # dmesg | grep tty > tty00 at 0xf3013020 (irq = 15) is a Z8530 ESCC; port = modem > tty01 at 0xf3013000 (irq = 16) is a Z8530 ESCC; port = printer > # setserial /dev/ttyS0 > /dev/ttyS0 UART: unknown Port: 0xf3013020 IRQ: 15 > # setserial /dev/ttyS1 > /dev/ttyS1 UART: unknown Port: 0xf3013000 IRQ: 16 Maybe it's just me, but dmesg says "tty00" while you used "ttyS0" for setserial. Have you tried "setserial /dev/tty00" ? At the very least, do an "ls -l tty*" (which you may have to pipe through less) and see what you find. HPH! Kareem -- /********************************************************************* kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org - Kareem Shehata - 416-676-6611 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Reminds me of my safari in Africa. Somebody forgot the corkscrew and for several days we had to live on nothing but food and water. -- W. C. Fields ********************************************************************/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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6.2 vs. 7.3
by tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

Howard Gibson <hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org> writes: > On 20 Aug 2003 21:41:01 -0400 > Tim Writer <tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > Howard Gibson <hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org> writes: > > > My first strategy for speeding things up is to run FVWM2 instead of > > > Gnome or KDE. There are a couple of other small window managers out > > > there, but I have a long history with FVWM. There are a couple of > > > other FVWM freaks in this user group, so you can get help. > > > > > > There was some talk about running an FVWM demo at one of the user > > > meetings. Is there any more interest in this? > > > > Consider xfce4 instead. It's a lightweight, functional desktop, reminiscent > > of CDE. RAM hungry apps like OpenOffice or Mozilla will still be unwieldy > > (without a RAM upgrade) but you can run a decent desktop on this machine if > > you choose your components carefully. Debian is arguably a better choice for > > a low power machine as you have far more ready made packages to choose from; > > thus, you can better experiment with tradoffs between footprint and > > functionality. Be prepared, however, to spend a good bit of time customizing > > it to your liking. > > Tim, > > I tried XFCE briefly a couple of years ago. A couple of years is a long time. Xfce4 appears to be a complete rewrite using gtk libraries. -- tim writer <tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> starnix inc. tollfree: 1-87-pro-linux thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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setserial, problem connecting: debian/woody powerpc + modem
by lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys＠public.gmane.org 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 01:05:24PM -0400, Max Blanco wrote: > > > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > > the modem is on. > > > the modem is plugged in to the line. > > > the modem works well in macos. > > > > Perhaps using some setserial command to setup /dev/ttyS0 on the hex and > > irq given would work. Don't usually bother specifying the uart or > > anything like that. > > > > # dmesg | grep tty > tty00 at 0xf3013020 (irq = 15) is a Z8530 ESCC; port = modem > tty01 at 0xf3013000 (irq = 16) is a Z8530 ESCC; port = printer > # setserial /dev/ttyS0 > /dev/ttyS0 UART: unknown Port: 0xf3013020 IRQ: 15 > # setserial /dev/ttyS1 > /dev/ttyS1 UART: unknown Port: 0xf3013000 IRQ: 16 > # rm /dev/modem > # ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/modem > # cat chatfile > ABORT BUSY ABORT 'NO CARRIER' '' ATZ OK ATDT 4165551212 > > # chat -f chatfile > > did not connect. What is the problem here? Well after asking a PPC user, he says the setserial output looks normal (macs have no UART apparently) and the port and irq looks fine. Perhaps the cable to the modem is the wrong kind or broken, or the modem doesn't work. Can you try the modem with another machine (PC perhaps) to check it? Also make sure you are using the right port on the back, and apparently modem and printer cables although they look similar are not interchangable on a mac (I think the modem one is crossover and the printer one isn't.) Are you sure it works in MacOS as it is right now? Which kernel version are you using? Could you try: cat > /dev/ttyS0 +++ATH0 ATE1V1 AT&Q <control-d> Which lights are on on the modem? Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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testing: please ignore
by verbum-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

Universal Coordinated Time (= UTC = EST+5 = EDT+4): 20030821T195346Z testing testing testing Please ignore. Tom = Tom Karmo http://www.metascientia.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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City of Toronto using Linux (on the desktop, yet!)
by pmills-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q＠public.gmane.org 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 11:30 AM, Max Blanco wrote: > I hope you larded your letter with buzzwords like "redundant systems", > "failsafe backups", etc. No, I'd put that into a longer piece. My main point this morning was that this stuff is now referenced like inevitable, "force of nature"-type events that "just happen" to these poor organizations...instead of being the predictable outcome of poorly considered business decisions. I tried to stay at the philosophical level rather than the technical. If I could get people to believe that quality was as least as important as herd instinct when choosing a system, then would be a good time to bring up the details of sane configuration and management. ........................ Phillip Mills Multi-platform software development (416) 224-0714 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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