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SCO has valid case
by ekgab-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

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SCO has valid case
by rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

Cool your jets buddy, I'm just passing along what I saw. I'm entitled to my opinion like everyone else. RickT On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:44:48 -0400, Emir <emir-rdkfGonbjUTTQjIoRn/dzw at public.gmane.org> wrote : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 22/08/2003 16:10, rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > | I was at SCO Forum this week and viewed some of the disputed code and > | SCO's explanations both without and with NDA. They have a valid case. > | Linux kernel 2.4 to 2.6 contains AIX code which allows scalability > | beyond that which would have been available in a "regular development > | timeframe". Anyone interested in a copy of the non-nda PPT let me know > | and I'll email you a copy. I've tried several postings to the list > | server but it does'nt seem to be working. > > Couple of points here, Rick: > > 1. Unless you're a judge in a US Court of Law with jurisdiction over this > case, I'd strongly recommend you *never* state it as a fact that SCO does or > does not have a valid case. Signing SCO's NDA and sitting through their > PowerPoint presentation doesn't make you qualified to make such judgments, at > least not in a public forum such as this one. Nobody's gonna stop you, but it > can't be considered anything but FUD and thus your credibility takes the > one-way trip down the sewers of our fine City. > > 2. Assuming it's the same presentation everyone else saw, it's already been > taken apart by many UNIX experts, and Bruce Perens himself wrote an analysis > of the presentation (http://www.perens.com/SCO/SCOSlideShow.html) > > 3. Let's talk logic for a moment here: IBM is at risk to lose $3bn, maybe > more, from a company they can buy for $25M. Do you honestly think IBM's army > of IP lawyers (and IBM is rumoured to have the largest collection of those in > history of human kind) overlooked that and it took *you* to figure the case is > in SCO's favour? > > At the end, I'm gonna tell you something you should've been told a long time > ago: not everything you see on a PowerPoint slide is necessarily true. > > > - -- > Emir. > > "The rancorous Supreme Court pronouncement on the 2000 Presidential election > ~ ought to remind everyone that the US' legal system is at best a lottery, > ~ and at worst, deeply swayed by human vices." -- Andrew Orlowski > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQE/RoDAuSy542G+Z7QRAkKMAKCLsA9tfnF+oMR00aOBQEB8IQf4SACfWDfS > qD03b4L0/3ootp3N7J5xsEA= > =5Dda > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO has valid case
by emir-rdkfGonbjUTTQjIoRn/dzw＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 22/08/2003 16:10, rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org wrote: | I was at SCO Forum this week and viewed some of the disputed code and | SCO's explanations both without and with NDA. They have a valid case. | Linux kernel 2.4 to 2.6 contains AIX code which allows scalability | beyond that which would have been available in a "regular development | timeframe". Anyone interested in a copy of the non-nda PPT let me know | and I'll email you a copy. I've tried several postings to the list | server but it does'nt seem to be working. Couple of points here, Rick: 1. Unless you're a judge in a US Court of Law with jurisdiction over this case, I'd strongly recommend you *never* state it as a fact that SCO does or does not have a valid case. Signing SCO's NDA and sitting through their PowerPoint presentation doesn't make you qualified to make such judgments, at least not in a public forum such as this one. Nobody's gonna stop you, but it can't be considered anything but FUD and thus your credibility takes the one-way trip down the sewers of our fine City. 2. Assuming it's the same presentation everyone else saw, it's already been taken apart by many UNIX experts, and Bruce Perens himself wrote an analysis of the presentation (http://www.perens.com/SCO/SCOSlideShow.html) 3. Let's talk logic for a moment here: IBM is at risk to lose $3bn, maybe more, from a company they can buy for $25M. Do you honestly think IBM's army of IP lawyers (and IBM is rumoured to have the largest collection of those in history of human kind) overlooked that and it took *you* to figure the case is in SCO's favour? At the end, I'm gonna tell you something you should've been told a long time ago: not everything you see on a PowerPoint slide is necessarily true. - -- Emir. "The rancorous Supreme Court pronouncement on the 2000 Presidential election ~ ought to remind everyone that the US' legal system is at best a lottery, ~ and at worst, deeply swayed by human vices." -- Andrew Orlowski -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/RoDAuSy542G+Z7QRAkKMAKCLsA9tfnF+oMR00aOBQEB8IQf4SACfWDfS qD03b4L0/3ootp3N7J5xsEA= =5Dda -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO has valid case
by rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

I was skeptical but they have a compelling case. In the ppt there are "greek characters" on 2 pages which I had to sign an NDA to view. To the best of my knowledge most of the disputed code was available at SCO FORUM since only 27+ lines of code are required to sue IBM. SCO is a legitimate and complete owner of UNIX System V despite Novell's claims to the contrary. Don't shoot me I'm only the messenger. I have stakes in Novell, Linux, SCO and other computing interests. THE LIST SERVER IS'N WORKING PROPERLY!!! Best regards, Rick Tomaschuk rickt-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org Novell Resource http://www.TorontoNUI.ca On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:17:12 -0400, bill traynor <btraynor-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org> wrote : > rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > >I was at SCO Forum this week and viewed some of the disputed code and > >SCO's explanations both without and with NDA. They have a valid case. > >Linux kernel 2.4 to 2.6 contains AIX code which allows scalability > >beyond that which would have been available in a "regular development > >timeframe". Anyone interested in a copy of the non-nda PPT let me know > >and I'll email you a copy. I've tried several postings to the list > >server but it does'nt seem to be working. > > > > > Then why won't they just show everyone the code? > > And I'd like a copy of the PPT, please email to btraynor-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org > > Thanks > Bill > > >Rick Tomaschuk > >rickt-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org > >Novell Resource: http://www.TorontoNUI.ca > >-- > >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > > > > > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO has valid case
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org wrote: > I was at SCO Forum this week and viewed some of the disputed code and > SCO's explanations both without and with NDA. They have a valid case. > Linux kernel 2.4 to 2.6 contains AIX code which allows scalability > beyond that which would have been available in a "regular development > timeframe". Anyone interested in a copy of the non-nda PPT let me know > and I'll email you a copy. I've tried several postings to the list > server but it does'nt seem to be working. I would like one. Maybe put it on a webpage ? Why won't the list server handle it ? Is it large ? tia, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO has valid case
by btraynor-zC6tqtfhjqE＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org wrote: >I was at SCO Forum this week and viewed some of the disputed code and >SCO's explanations both without and with NDA. They have a valid case. >Linux kernel 2.4 to 2.6 contains AIX code which allows scalability >beyond that which would have been available in a "regular development >timeframe". Anyone interested in a copy of the non-nda PPT let me know >and I'll email you a copy. I've tried several postings to the list >server but it does'nt seem to be working. > > Then why won't they just show everyone the code? And I'd like a copy of the PPT, please email to btraynor-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Thanks Bill >Rick Tomaschuk >rickt-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org >Novell Resource: http://www.TorontoNUI.ca >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO has valid case
by rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

I was at SCO Forum this week and viewed some of the disputed code and SCO's explanations both without and with NDA. They have a valid case. Linux kernel 2.4 to 2.6 contains AIX code which allows scalability beyond that which would have been available in a "regular development timeframe". Anyone interested in a copy of the non-nda PPT let me know and I'll email you a copy. I've tried several postings to the list server but it does'nt seem to be working. Rick Tomaschuk rickt-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org Novell Resource: http://www.TorontoNUI.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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CLIC - How do we join?
by wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

With all this talk about posts not making the list - who is running the list? As an aside, I have tried a few times to contact people about problems I experienced in the past, but was never answered. So my question is... Who do I contact when there is a problem? Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: bill traynor [mailto:btraynor-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:17 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org bob findlay wrote: >After viewing the interesting article at: > >http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2003082200226NWCYLL > >and then going to the website at: > >http://www.linux.ca/clic/ > >It was completely not obvious as to how one goes about joining this effort. > >Anyone else found the secret passage? >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > Hi Bob, You'd of heard about this earlier if my posts would actually make it to this list. Anyhoo, you can join the sco-issues mailing list here: http://www.ss.org/mailman/listinfo/sco-issues/ Also, check out www.linux.ca/clic/ for all of our news. Or drop by #clue-talk on freenode to join the chatter. Cheers, Bill -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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CLIC - How do we join?
by kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

> So my question is... Who do I contact when there is a problem? Drew is the server dude. > bob findlay wrote: >>After viewing the interesting article at: >>http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2003082200226NWCYLL >>and then going to the website at: >>http://www.linux.ca/clic/ >>It was completely not obvious as to how one goes about joining this >> effort. There's a link on the left column that says "join". Try that? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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CLIC - How do we join?
by btraynor-zC6tqtfhjqE＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

bob findlay wrote: >After viewing the interesting article at: > >http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2003082200226NWCYLL > >and then going to the website at: > >http://www.linux.ca/clic/ > >It was completely not obvious as to how one goes about joining this effort. > >Anyone else found the secret passage? >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > Hi Bob, You'd of heard about this earlier if my posts would actually make it to this list. Anyhoo, you can join the sco-issues mailing list here: http://www.ss.org/mailman/listinfo/sco-issues/ Also, check out www.linux.ca/clic/ for all of our news. Or drop by #clue-talk on freenode to join the chatter. Cheers, Bill -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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