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SCO has valid case
by rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

Having viewed the presentation, SCO has a convincing argument to claim damages from IBM for 2.4-2.6 kernel for multirocessor, JFS, etc. code. MY UNDERSTANDING is that it is not SCO's intention to undermine the Linux effort but rather to survive as a "for profit" company in a free market. Provisions will be made for Linux...stay tuned to SCO! As for the "greek" code or otherwise in the powerpoint this was how it was presented PRIOR to NDA. My understanding is that SCO owns copyrights and trademarks for UNIX SYSTEM V. Most other (nearly all) UNIXes are based upon licences from SYSTEM V (AT&T) so SCO is at the root of the UNIX tree. I'm as amazed to hear all this as is everyone. As for reporters and their articles I've read and will continue to read all I can find. RickT On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 00:10:19 +0300, "E K" <ekgab-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> wrote : > <html><div style='background-color:'><DIV> > <P>I have seen the ppt pages that you are refering. However, that is to naive to me (surprisingly the greek characters that you saw are a result of primitive font mapping that you get when the english text is viewed with symbols font.).</P> > <P>For a more informative reading on this case please read </P> > <P><A href="http://www.opensource.org/sco-vs-ibm.html">http://www.opensource.org/sco-vs-ibm.html</A></P> > <P>More over, (What Reymond seemingly wasn't aware is that) Caldera's employee had been working on Linux JFS project as a project coordinator. Therefore, even if as sco claims there are offending codes, it is likely that it is inserted by their own.</P> > <P>Of couse, there are many other facts, (for example: sco owns one flavor of unix not all flavours; unix had many parallel development and so I don't see why sco own the license to AIX or HP-UX which are by far superior to sco's own product) at least to me, that makes the sco claim totally absured at best and out right dangerous at worst. </P> > <P>EK</P></DIV> > <DIV></DIV>>From: <RICKL-y59oiaX/9YQFLvimnDS8YA at public.gmane.org> > <DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > <DIV></DIV>>To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > <DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: Re: [TLUG]: SCO has valid case > <DIV></DIV>>Date: 22 Aug 2003 20:27:53 -0000 > <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>>I was skeptical but they have a compelling case. In the ppt there are > <DIV></DIV>>"greek characters" on 2 pages which I had to sign an NDA to view. To > <DIV></DIV>>the best of my knowledge most of the disputed code was available at > <DIV></DIV>>SCO FORUM since only 27+ lines of code are required to sue IBM. SCO is > <DIV></DIV>>a legitimate and complete owner of UNIX System V despite Novell's > <DIV></DIV>>claims to the contrary. Don't shoot me I'm only the messenger. I have > <DIV></DIV>>stakes in Novell, Linux, SCO and other computing interests. THE LIST > <DIV></DIV>>SERVER IS'N WORKING PROPERLY!!! > <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>>Best regards, > <DIV></DIV>>Rick Tomaschuk > <DIV></DIV>>rickt-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org > <DIV></DIV>>Novell Resource http://www.TorontoNUI.ca > <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>>On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:17:12 -0400, bill traynor <BTRAYNOR-ODvSUecGMNs at public.gmane.org> > <DIV></DIV>>wrote : > <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> > rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org wrote: > <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > >I was at SCO Forum this week and viewed some of the disputed code and > <DIV></DIV>> > >SCO's explanations both without and with NDA. They have a valid case. > <DIV></DIV>> > >Linux kernel 2.4 to 2.6 contains AIX code which allows scalability > <DIV></DIV>> > >beyond that which would have been available in a "regular development > <DIV></DIV>> > >timeframe". Anyone interested in a copy of the non-nda PPT let me know > <DIV></DIV>> > >and I'll email you a copy. I've tried several postings to the list > <DIV></DIV>> > >server but it does'nt seem to be working. > <DIV></DIV>> > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > <DIV></DIV>> > Then why won't they just show everyone the code? > <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > And I'd like a copy of the PPT, please email to btraynor-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org > <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > Thanks > <DIV></DIV>> > Bill > <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > >Rick Tomaschuk > <DIV></DIV>> > >rickt-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org > <DIV></DIV>> > >Novell Resource: http://www.TorontoNUI.ca > <DIV></DIV>> > >-- > <DIV></DIV>> > >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > <DIV></DIV>> > >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > <DIV></DIV>> > >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > <DIV></DIV>> > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>>-- > <DIV></DIV>>The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > <DIV></DIV>>TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > <DIV></DIV>>How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > <DIV></DIV></div><br clear=all><hr>MSN 8 helps <a href="http://g.msn.com/8HMZEN/2743??PS=">ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. </a> Get 2 months FREE*.</html> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Code Monkey???
by bonnie-grKYUO1WUpSaMJb+Lgu22Q＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

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Code Monkey???
by emir-rdkfGonbjUTTQjIoRn/dzw＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

On 22/08/2003 17:30, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > I think you are in a "win/lose" position. I was just making a post on > the list server which is relevant to the Linux effort. I would expect > it was implicit that any posting from my email address were my opinion > and observations. Are you really a monkey? I thought I was having a discussion in technical forum, never thought this was about winning or losing. Back on topic, "They have a valid case" is a statement of fact, if you wanted to state an opinion, you'd have said "They *seem* (or *appear*) to have a valid case" or "I'd say they have a valid case". See the difference? __------__ /~ ~\ | //^\\//^\|\ Please God don't make Rick go /~~\ || o| |o|:~\ / to Heck, he doesn't want to | |6 ||___|_|_||:| / look stupid, it's just happens. \__. / o \/' / | ( O ) _/ /~~~~\ `\ \ / | |~~\ | ) ~------~`\ /' | | | / ____ /~~~)\ (_/' | | | /' | ( | | | | \ / __)/ \ \ \ \ \/ /' \ `\ \ \|\ / | |\___| \ | \____/ | | /^~> \ _/ < | | \ \ | | \ \ \ <- teh c0d3 m0n|<3y -^-\ \ | ) `\_______/^\______/ -- Emir. "The rancorous Supreme Court pronouncement on the 2000 Presidential election ought to remind everyone that the US' legal system is at best a lottery, and at worst, deeply swayed by human vices." -- Andrew Orlowski -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Code Monkey???
by rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

I think you are in a "win/lose" position. I was just making a post on the list server which is relevant to the Linux effort. I would expect it was implicit that any posting from my email address were my opinion and observations. Are you really a monkey? RickT On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 17:25:13 -0400, Emir <emir-rdkfGonbjUTTQjIoRn/dzw at public.gmane.org> wrote : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 22/08/2003 17:05, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > > | What are you? An ape?? Why not insult me in person or in private. What's > your last > | name Emir? > > Resorting to name calling will not help you win an argument, Rick. I'm not > insulting you, I'm just responding to your post. You know, reacting so > violently to something as minute as this is usually a sign of deeper > insecurities... Not to mention it can give you ulcer. > > So I suggest you relax, after all it is teh > ~ ,-----. ,-----. | | ,-----. |-----. | > | | | |_____| |_____| |---- |_____| | | .----'| > |__'__| |______ |______ | | |______ | | |_____| > > (this one's for you, bonnie) > > > - -- > Emir. > > "The rancorous Supreme Court pronouncement on the 2000 Presidential election > ~ ought to remind everyone that the US' legal system is at best a lottery, > ~ and at worst, deeply swayed by human vices." -- Andrew Orlowski > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQE/Roo5uSy542G+Z7QRAnHxAJ4vVMAJENo54GStDtnWBhg631nf6QCfYHYr > p2zcFsVhvcQ1wQyytjQI1+Y= > =ljww > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Code Monkey???
by bonnie-grKYUO1WUpSaMJb+Lgu22Q＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

TLUG - feel teh love ,%%%%%%%%%. ,&&&&&&&&&&. %&(x`x)&% ___\_;_/___ ( _ _ ) __\ \(o)(o)//_ | (m) (w) \ ___/ _ \/ . \/ | !,___/ \_____v____/\ \__ \__,! On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Emir wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 22/08/2003 17:05, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > > | What are you? An ape?? Why not insult me in person or in private. What's > your last > | name Emir? > > Resorting to name calling will not help you win an argument, Rick. I'm not > insulting you, I'm just responding to your post. You know, reacting so > violently to something as minute as this is usually a sign of deeper > insecurities... Not to mention it can give you ulcer. > > So I suggest you relax, after all it is teh > ~ ,-----. ,-----. | | ,-----. |-----. | > | | | |_____| |_____| |---- |_____| | | .----'| > |__'__| |______ |______ | | |______ | | |_____| > > (this one's for you, bonnie) > > > - -- > Emir. > > "The rancorous Supreme Court pronouncement on the 2000 Presidential election > ~ ought to remind everyone that the US' legal system is at best a lottery, > ~ and at worst, deeply swayed by human vices." -- Andrew Orlowski > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQE/Roo5uSy542G+Z7QRAnHxAJ4vVMAJENo54GStDtnWBhg631nf6QCfYHYr > p2zcFsVhvcQ1wQyytjQI1+Y= > =ljww > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Code Monkey???
by emir-rdkfGonbjUTTQjIoRn/dzw＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 22/08/2003 17:05, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: | What are you? An ape?? Why not insult me in person or in private. What's your last | name Emir? Resorting to name calling will not help you win an argument, Rick. I'm not insulting you, I'm just responding to your post. You know, reacting so violently to something as minute as this is usually a sign of deeper insecurities... Not to mention it can give you ulcer. So I suggest you relax, after all it is teh ~ ,-----. ,-----. | | ,-----. |-----. | | | | |_____| |_____| |---- |_____| | | .----'| |__'__| |______ |______ | | |______ | | |_____| (this one's for you, bonnie) - -- Emir. "The rancorous Supreme Court pronouncement on the 2000 Presidential election ~ ought to remind everyone that the US' legal system is at best a lottery, ~ and at worst, deeply swayed by human vices." -- Andrew Orlowski -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/Roo5uSy542G+Z7QRAnHxAJ4vVMAJENo54GStDtnWBhg631nf6QCfYHYr p2zcFsVhvcQ1wQyytjQI1+Y= =ljww -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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City of Toronto using Linux (on the desktop, yet!)
by blanco-S8qYAnHmZTt34ZA5RureAJ4VBq8PJc8F＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Phillip Mills wrote: > No, I'd put that into a longer piece. My main point this morning was > that this stuff is now referenced like inevitable, "force of > nature"-type events that "just happen" to these poor > organizations...instead of being the predictable outcome of poorly > considered business decisions. > I think your analysis of the "force of nature" is spot on. I didn't see your letter in today's online version of the G+M. Care to share? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO has valid case
by rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

You are attempting to remove my voice even though I have the same right to speak as you do. I think I have valid information to post. What is your last name....Emir? I think I hear your mom calling... RickT On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 17:10:22 -0400, Emir <emir-rdkfGonbjUTTQjIoRn/dzw at public.gmane.org> wrote : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 22/08/2003 16:54, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > > | Cool your jets buddy, I'm just passing along what I saw. > | I'm entitled to my opinion like everyone else. > > 1. No jets to cool. > 2. I'm not your buddy. > 3. You're making a statement of fact on something you simply have no way of > knowing. "They have a valid case" are your exact words, I'm not misconstruing > anything. Can that be taken as anything but a statement of fact? I don't > think so. > 4. You're entitled to your opinion, but if you want to express it in a public > forum then you ought to make it clear that it's *your* opinion and the readers > will decide how relevant it is, which in this particular case really isn't, as > we have already established you're not judge in a US Court of Law with > jurisdiction over this case. > > > - -- > Emir. > > "The rancorous Supreme Court pronouncement on the 2000 Presidential election > ~ ought to remind everyone that the US' legal system is at best a lottery, > ~ and at worst, deeply swayed by human vices." -- Andrew Orlowski > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQE/Roa+uSy542G+Z7QRAgJ9AJ9V1iWv8yKoLmwRy4JK1Leesrjc3ACfTRLi > 3AkLR5kzRP1pT8imLiE+A3A= > =ekC+ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO has valid case
by ekgab-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

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SCO has valid case
by emir-rdkfGonbjUTTQjIoRn/dzw＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 22/08/2003 16:54, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: | Cool your jets buddy, I'm just passing along what I saw. | I'm entitled to my opinion like everyone else. 1. No jets to cool. 2. I'm not your buddy. 3. You're making a statement of fact on something you simply have no way of knowing. "They have a valid case" are your exact words, I'm not misconstruing anything. Can that be taken as anything but a statement of fact? I don't think so. 4. You're entitled to your opinion, but if you want to express it in a public forum then you ought to make it clear that it's *your* opinion and the readers will decide how relevant it is, which in this particular case really isn't, as we have already established you're not judge in a US Court of Law with jurisdiction over this case. - -- Emir. "The rancorous Supreme Court pronouncement on the 2000 Presidential election ~ ought to remind everyone that the US' legal system is at best a lottery, ~ and at worst, deeply swayed by human vices." -- Andrew Orlowski -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/Roa+uSy542G+Z7QRAgJ9AJ9V1iWv8yKoLmwRy4JK1Leesrjc3ACfTRLi 3AkLR5kzRP1pT8imLiE+A3A= =ekC+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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