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A Canadian Response to SCO
by blanco-S8qYAnHmZTt34ZA5RureAJ4VBq8PJc8F＠public.gmane.org 23 Aug '03

23 Aug '03

On 22 Aug 2003, Matthew Rice wrote: > Hi everyone, > > This has been forwarded from the NewTLUG mailing list. Bill Traynor [the > original poster] hasn't been able to send this to TLUG. Well, at least he > and I haven't seen it show up on the list. > > So I'm trying. > Can I read somewhere about how this issue affects the little guy? I have a 1995 distro of redhat. Does this affect me? What about if I have a 2.2 kernel built in 2000? CLIC has been up in arms over the courtroom theatrics, but how about the substance? It hasn't been clear to me why I should care. (Sorry if that's a little blunt.) If I read this right, as long as you stick to 2.4 kernel code, who cares? Can you delete the offending 27 lines of code from the kernel and still make it crash proof and kickass...? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Netscape lock & purge
by aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 23 Aug '03

23 Aug '03

Netscape is giving the following error: "Netsacape has detected a /home/chris/.netscape/lock file..." It goes on to suggest I delete the offending file and restart Netscape. However, ls -a /home/chris/.netscape reveals no such file. The only out-of-the ordinary thing I've done recently is to load my saved mail from a backup after a recent re-image (instead of kissing my old mail goodbye as I usually do). Probelm 2 is that my Netscape mail reader won't delete the mail off the server even though I have selected 'When deleting a messge locally, remove it from the server' in the mail preferneces. I have to manually remove the email through webmail. Any ideas would be appreciated. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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A Canadian Response to SCO
by matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

Hi everyone, This has been forwarded from the NewTLUG mailing list. Bill Traynor [the original poster] hasn't been able to send this to TLUG. Well, at least he and I haven't seen it show up on the list. So I'm trying.

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Code Monkey???
by matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

Lloyd D Budd <lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org> writes: > On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 17:47, Emir wrote: > > I thought I was having a discussion in technical forum, never thought this was > > about winning or losing. Back on topic, "They have a valid case" is a > > statement of fact, if you wanted to state an opinion, you'd have said "They > > *seem* (or *appear*) to have a valid case" or "I'd say they have a valid > > case". See the difference? > > Emir, you *appear* to be having too much fun. It has been a while since > you graced TLUG with such foolishness. The scary thing is that he's making some sense this time :) He must have left himself logged in somewhere. -- matthew rice <matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO has valid case
by rufmetal-MwcKTmeKVNQ＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

On 22 Aug 2003 20:10:25 -0000 <rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org> wrote: Can I get a copy please? rufmetal-ld0jrThsSZM at public.gmane.org ~ C -- Well I thought you beat "The Death of Inevitability" to death--just a little bit! ~ Tragically Hip -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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throuh which /dev port does "chat" cmd look?
by tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

Max Blanco <blanco-S8qYAnHmZTt34ZA5RureAJ4VBq8PJc8F at public.gmane.org> writes: > Through which /dev port does "chat" cmd look? > > I can't find this info anywhere in the chat man page. > There exists no "usr/share/doc/chat" directory. I believe it reads from standard input and writes to standard output. If you're using it with PPP, pppd arranges to connect its standard input and standard output to the relevant tty. -- tim writer <tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> starnix inc. tollfree: 1-87-pro-linux thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO has valid case
by lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 17:59, Rick Tomaschuk may have wrote: > My understanding is that SCO owns copyrights and trademarks for > UNIX SYSTEM V. Err...but it is debatable whether they own the trademark to UNIX. IBM had a special contractually arrangement with AT&T. The other UNIX(s) that IBM bought have not had their agreements released. > Most other (nearly all) UNIXes are > based upon licences from SYSTEM V (AT&T) so SCO is at the root of the > UNIX tree. Most? Many UNIX seem to be from mixed origin. It is not clear to me how relevant other item is, but there is a *huge* amount of interesting information on the net related to this. > As for reporters and their articles I've read and will continue to read all I > can find. Rick, prior to the briefing where you well versed on the information available? I find it difficult to believe that you have read everything that you can find. Otherwise, I do not know how you could suggest: > MY UNDERSTANDING is that it is not SCO's intention to undermine the > Linux effort but rather to survive as a "for profit" company in a free > market. profit> some have suggested that there has been stock sell off of interesting quantity free market> cringe If you are genuinely interested, it appears there is a lot of material available that you might not have read thoroughly. slashdot is a good place to start as they provide links to pretty much all of the articles I was aware of before I got bored of the topic after many, many articles over many, many days, Lloyd P.S. This is unlikely be resolved any year soon. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Code Monkey???
by lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 17:47, Emir wrote: > I thought I was having a discussion in technical forum, never thought this was > about winning or losing. Back on topic, "They have a valid case" is a > statement of fact, if you wanted to state an opinion, you'd have said "They > *seem* (or *appear*) to have a valid case" or "I'd say they have a valid > case". See the difference? Emir, you *appear* to be having too much fun. It has been a while since you graced TLUG with such foolishness. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Code Monkey???
by bonnie-grKYUO1WUpSaMJb+Lgu22Q＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

THE IRONY! On 22 Aug 2003, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > Get a wife and have some kids. Sounds like you have some sort of void > in your life. ;>) > RickT > > On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 17:47:36 -0400, Emir <emir-rdkfGonbjUTTQjIoRn/dzw at public.gmane.org> wrote : > > > On 22/08/2003 17:30, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > > > > > I think you are in a "win/lose" position. I was just making a post on > > > the list server which is relevant to the Linux effort. I would expect > > > it was implicit that any posting from my email address were my opinion > > > and observations. Are you really a monkey? > > > > I thought I was having a discussion in technical forum, never > thought this was > > about winning or losing. Back on topic, "They have a valid case" is a > > statement of fact, if you wanted to state an opinion, you'd have > said "They > > *seem* (or *appear*) to have a valid case" or "I'd say they have a > valid > > case". See the difference? > > > > __------__ > > /~ ~\ > > | //^\\//^\|\ Please God don't make Rick go > > /~~\ || o| |o|:~\ / to Heck, he doesn't want to > > | |6 ||___|_|_||:| / look stupid, it's just happens. > > \__. / o \/' / > > | ( O ) _/ > > /~~~~\ `\ \ / > > | |~~\ | ) ~------~`\ > > /' | | | / ____ /~~~)\ > > (_/' | | | /' | ( | > > | | | \ / __)/ \ > > \ \ \ \/ /' \ `\ > > \ \|\ / | |\___| > > \ | \____/ | | > > /^~> \ _/ < > > | | \ \ > > | | \ \ \ <- teh c0d3 m0n|<3y > > -^-\ \ | ) > > `\_______/^\______/ > > > > > > -- > > Emir. > > > > "The rancorous Supreme Court pronouncement on the 2000 Presidential > election > > ought to remind everyone that the US' legal system is at best a > lottery, > > and at worst, deeply swayed by human vices." -- Andrew > Orlowski > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Code Monkey???
by rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg＠public.gmane.org 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

Get a wife and have some kids. Sounds like you have some sort of void in your life. ;>) RickT On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 17:47:36 -0400, Emir <emir-rdkfGonbjUTTQjIoRn/dzw at public.gmane.org> wrote : > On 22/08/2003 17:30, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > > > I think you are in a "win/lose" position. I was just making a post on > > the list server which is relevant to the Linux effort. I would expect > > it was implicit that any posting from my email address were my opinion > > and observations. Are you really a monkey? > > I thought I was having a discussion in technical forum, never thought this was > about winning or losing. Back on topic, "They have a valid case" is a > statement of fact, if you wanted to state an opinion, you'd have said "They > *seem* (or *appear*) to have a valid case" or "I'd say they have a valid > case". See the difference? > > __------__ > /~ ~\ > | //^\\//^\|\ Please God don't make Rick go > /~~\ || o| |o|:~\ / to Heck, he doesn't want to > | |6 ||___|_|_||:| / look stupid, it's just happens. > \__. / o \/' / > | ( O ) _/ > /~~~~\ `\ \ / > | |~~\ | ) ~------~`\ > /' | | | / ____ /~~~)\ > (_/' | | | /' | ( | > | | | \ / __)/ \ > \ \ \ \/ /' \ `\ > \ \|\ / | |\___| > \ | \____/ | | > /^~> \ _/ < > | | \ \ > | | \ \ \ <- teh c0d3 m0n|<3y > -^-\ \ | ) > `\_______/^\______/ > > > -- > Emir. > > "The rancorous Supreme Court pronouncement on the 2000 Presidential election > ought to remind everyone that the US' legal system is at best a lottery, > and at worst, deeply swayed by human vices." -- Andrew Orlowski > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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