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KNOPPIX closes because Europe passes software IP laws
by fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

On December 5, 2003 05:11 pm, Justin Zygmont wrote: > what is so useful about this distro anyways, running from a CD is way too > slow, and not at all feasable for much of anything except maybe testing to > see how it is. 2GB of software fitting in the palm of your hand (well a big hand), that can be run at will on any PC (with or without an OS) isn't useful. How else would you partition up a couple of disks, raid them, format them and run amrecover across the network to reinstall your server after a failed disk in little over an hour? -- Fraser Campbell <fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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KNOPPIX closes because Europe passes software IP laws
by davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

Justin Zygmont wrote: >what is so useful about this distro anyways, running from a CD is way too >slow, and not at all feasable for much of anything except maybe testing to >see how it is. > > > Are you MAD ? Knoppix features brilliant hardware detection, compression technologies and a solid set of apps that have done more to introduce linux to new users than any other distro. With a knoppix disc and a USB keydrive you could sit down at almost any machine and fire up a rich and solid computing environment. If it's too slow, you can easily install it to HD, if the bundled apps don't suit your use, you can easily remaster with your choices. With that same disk you could transform your office lan into an OpenMosix cluster in under half an hour. As a rescue disc, it has pulled my cherries out of the fire more times than I care to mention, for both Windoze and linux boxen. get ahold of yourself man ! ;-) djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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seek: formal state machine description language
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

I would like to learn such a language. Does such a thing exist ? I am not looking for the graphical design kind of thing, but for (machine) parseable textual representation. It must have provisions for synchronised state machines (via messages or tokens or whatever). One way is to write one lex grammar to represent each state machine, with the tokens recognized by lex being the messages, and productions emitting tokens for the 'other' machines besides doing their own work. The tokens need not be strings. More formal than this ? Petri nets ? What else ? Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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M$ to license FAT
by aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 18:21, James Knott wrote: > The only place I use FAT, is on systems that also run Windows. I don't think it's hard drives that will be the problem, it's that most digital cameras, USB key drives, and MP3 players use FAT, so it will just inflate the prices of these items. I'm sure there are free alternatives that are just as good, but do you think the maker of a $600 camera will care? Austin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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M$ to license FAT
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, James Knott wrote: > cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > >>As the title says. Impact on Linux ? > > > > > > If the claims are true, that there are "live" patents still in place on > > FAT, then it is conceivable that there might be patent infringments, or > > at least places where MSFT could _claim_ that there are. > > > > Of course, FAT is pretty much derivative of CP/M filesystems, so it is > > more than likely that any conceivable patents would have to have been > > filed in the '80s, and thus would have, at most, 3 more years to run. > > The only place I use FAT, is on systems that also run Windows. So, if > those partitions are created by Windows and just happen to be accessed > by Linux, would that be a patent violation? In theory the code in Linux that allows you to access them is in breach (because a software patent grants them control on a file format and any method related to it) but ianal. I think that this has to do with recent advances in linux that allow r/w access to ntfs. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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another linux: designed to fit on a business card cd
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

http://www.lnx-bbc.org/ Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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M$ to license FAT
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: >>As the title says. Impact on Linux ? > > > If the claims are true, that there are "live" patents still in place on > FAT, then it is conceivable that there might be patent infringments, or > at least places where MSFT could _claim_ that there are. > > Of course, FAT is pretty much derivative of CP/M filesystems, so it is > more than likely that any conceivable patents would have to have been > filed in the '80s, and thus would have, at most, 3 more years to run. The only place I use FAT, is on systems that also run Windows. So, if those partitions are created by Windows and just happen to be accessed by Linux, would that be a patent violation? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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KNOPPIX closes because Europe passes software IP laws
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

Ok, the old links are still available, I was wrong. Sorry. The info on that page shocked me into posting early while I was reading something else. Knoppix does not yet close because of .eu software patents. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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KNOPPIX closes because Europe passes software IP laws
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > On Sat, 5 Dec 2003, Matthew Rice wrote: > > > patents concern _could_ cause companies and orgs [like knoppix] to shut down. > > That page should have contained download links and such. It does not (or > not anymore). And I want to add that this is the first Linux company that pulled a linux product for fear of patents. (I secretly hope that they did it for bandwidth reasons and low returns reasons although knoppix certainly put a previously unheard-of company on the map). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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KNOPPIX closes because Europe passes software IP laws
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

On Sat, 5 Dec 2003, Matthew Rice wrote: > patents concern _could_ cause companies and orgs [like knoppix] to shut down. That page should have contained download links and such. It does not (or not anymore). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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