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SOT: shitfs in spam trends and topics
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Mel Wilson wrote: > Two possibilities I can imagine. > > 1. Spammers acutely aware that they are wrong, and defying > the world to catch them, even if it means losing a sale. > > 2. Steganography. And a third: bad setup of the spam mailer (which I understand has some special settings that get updated by mail from 'mother' from time to time). I have never seen a spam mailer so consider this hearsay. Some spam I get has so bad a MIME encapsulation that it appears as plain text. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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KDE/Mandrake 9.1
by cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

Tim Writer wrote: >JoeHill <joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org> writes: > > > >>On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 11:19:27 -0500 >>Clive DaSilva <cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org> wrote: >> >> >> >>>Had a really weird experience yesterday. I have been running mandrake >>>9.1 with the stock kernel 2.4.21-013mdk, for perhaps 3 months. >>>I read an advisory which suggested that I upgraded the kernel to >>>2.4.21-026mdk, (all nicely packaged by the Drake folks), as a >>>preventative measure against some root exploits. I use KDE 3.1 as the >>>window manager, and since I've installed this kernel, KDE sometimes >>>doesn't come up when I login as a user (it just hangs), or it comes up >>>and crashes within 5 minutes. I have since been using IceWM as my backup >>>window manager. Now, I've kept the old kernel, so I have a choice of >>>kernels to boot from. When I try to run KDE using the old kernel, it >>>crashes too. >>> >>> >>I haven't seen anything like this come up on any of the Mandrake lists, but I >>would suggest asking as well on Expert. >> >>Do you see anything in /var/log/messages or /var/log/XFree86.0.log? >> >>It could be that KDE was compiled against the old kernel and is pitching a fit >>now that newer modules are being loaded, though why when you boot into the *old* >>kernel would hence be a mystery. >> >> > >Someone here had a similar problem using a new motherboard with a not yet >well supported video adapter. Only the VESA driver worked but KDE kept >crashing. Could the new Mandrake kernel have some graphics related drivers >that could be triggering the problem? I'm thinking particulary about things >like DRM. Use lsmod to compare the modules loaded with the old kernel >against those loaded with the new kernel. > > > Thanks Tim, Will try out some of those suggestions Clive -- Clive DaSilva CMA Home Tel: 416-421-2480 Cell: 416-560-8820 Email: cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mandrake Linux 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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KDE/Mandrake 9.1
by tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

JoeHill <joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org> writes: > On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 11:19:27 -0500 > Clive DaSilva <cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > Had a really weird experience yesterday. I have been running mandrake > > 9.1 with the stock kernel 2.4.21-013mdk, for perhaps 3 months. > > I read an advisory which suggested that I upgraded the kernel to > > 2.4.21-026mdk, (all nicely packaged by the Drake folks), as a > > preventative measure against some root exploits. I use KDE 3.1 as the > > window manager, and since I've installed this kernel, KDE sometimes > > doesn't come up when I login as a user (it just hangs), or it comes up > > and crashes within 5 minutes. I have since been using IceWM as my backup > > window manager. Now, I've kept the old kernel, so I have a choice of > > kernels to boot from. When I try to run KDE using the old kernel, it > > crashes too. > > I haven't seen anything like this come up on any of the Mandrake lists, but I > would suggest asking as well on Expert. > > Do you see anything in /var/log/messages or /var/log/XFree86.0.log? > > It could be that KDE was compiled against the old kernel and is pitching a fit > now that newer modules are being loaded, though why when you boot into the *old* > kernel would hence be a mystery. Someone here had a similar problem using a new motherboard with a not yet well supported video adapter. Only the VESA driver worked but KDE kept crashing. Could the new Mandrake kernel have some graphics related drivers that could be triggering the problem? I'm thinking particulary about things like DRM. Use lsmod to compare the modules loaded with the old kernel against those loaded with the new kernel. -- tim writer <tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SOT: shitfs in spam trends and topics
by hughreilly1-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

Just re-reading my post. To be clear, I don't mean at all to sound like I'm advocating disrupting the Internet to preserve traditional power bases. Rather, I mean to suggest that we who value democracy and responsibility through decentralization should be aware that there may be incentive for certain bad guys to undermine the Internet and its decentralizing effect. -Hugh _______________________________________________ Hugh Reilly XEN Technology Group | LinuxLab 600 Bay Street, Suite 405 Toronto ON M5R 1G6 tel: 416-204-9951 fax: 416-204-9723 email: info-2K4XOyu7qTosA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org _______________________________________________ http://www.xen.ca | http://www.linuxlab.ca >From: "Hugh Reilly" <hughreilly1-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> >Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >Subject: Re: [TLUG]: SOT: shitfs in spam trends and topics >Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:10:46 -0500 > >>From: Matthew Rice <matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> >>Are you suggesting that we are receiving unintelligible e-mail because >>some >>group [terrorists, fbi, cia, csis] are trying to send messages to each >>other. Do you supposed that they are sending a lot of them and getting >>the >>e-mail addresses wrong or that they are sending a lot of them to confuse >>the >>trail to the intended recipient? >> >>If you were to ask me, I'd say that this is similar to the book _Snow >>Crash_. >>Microsoft is sending out these seemingly unintelligible e-mails and anyone >>that looks at them has their brain 're-wired' into liking M$. >> >> "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't out >> to get you." > >A couple of notes to feed the paranoia: >1. One of my jobs is to handle incoming customer email at the Toronto Sun. >Of course, 90%+ is spam. Many of these messages contain "nonsense" >verbiage, I think designed to outfox spam blocking. But reading this >"nonsense" can often give the impression that the creator is not operating >in a strictly mercantile role. > >2. A few years ago, I presented a paper at the McLuhan Program on the >"Information Ecology", wherein I described how the emerging Internet was a >radically decentralizing force which was undermining traditional power >structures, and that disrupting the Internet was a logical strategy for >maintaining traditional power base. It seems the spam epidemic is certainly >undermining the value of email. For example, I now tell Sun customers that >"just because you sent the email is no guarantee that we received the >email". If spam blocking becomes the norm, we can expect that 5% +/- of >legitimate emails just won't get through. > >-Hugh > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi… > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms… -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SOT: shitfs in spam trends and topics
by matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson) writes: > Two possibilities I can imagine. > > 2. Steganography. Are you suggesting that we are receiving unintelligible e-mail because some group [terrorists, fbi, cia, csis] are trying to send messages to each other. Do you supposed that they are sending a lot of them and getting the e-mail addresses wrong or that they are sending a lot of them to confuse the trail to the intended recipient? If you were to ask me, I'd say that this is similar to the book _Snow Crash_. Microsoft is sending out these seemingly unintelligible e-mails and anyone that looks at them has their brain 're-wired' into liking M$. "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you." TTYL, -- matthew rice <matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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KDE/Mandrake 9.1
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 11:19:27 -0500 Clive DaSilva <cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org> wrote: > Had a really weird experience yesterday. I have been running mandrake > 9.1 with the stock kernel 2.4.21-013mdk, for perhaps 3 months. > I read an advisory which suggested that I upgraded the kernel to > 2.4.21-026mdk, (all nicely packaged by the Drake folks), as a > preventative measure against some root exploits. I use KDE 3.1 as the > window manager, and since I've installed this kernel, KDE sometimes > doesn't come up when I login as a user (it just hangs), or it comes up > and crashes within 5 minutes. I have since been using IceWM as my backup > window manager. Now, I've kept the old kernel, so I have a choice of > kernels to boot from. When I try to run KDE using the old kernel, it > crashes too. I haven't seen anything like this come up on any of the Mandrake lists, but I would suggest asking as well on Expert. Do you see anything in /var/log/messages or /var/log/XFree86.0.log? It could be that KDE was compiled against the old kernel and is pitching a fit now that newer modules are being loaded, though why when you boot into the *old* kernel would hence be a mystery. -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding." -- John Kenneth Galbraith -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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KDE/Mandrake 9.1
by cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

Hello Had a really weird experience yesterday. I have been running mandrake 9.1 with the stock kernel 2.4.21-013mdk, for perhaps 3 months. I read an advisory which suggested that I upgraded the kernel to 2.4.21-026mdk, (all nicely packaged by the Drake folks), as a preventative measure against some root exploits. I use KDE 3.1 as the window manager, and since I've installed this kernel, KDE sometimes doesn't come up when I login as a user (it just hangs), or it comes up and crashes within 5 minutes. I have since been using IceWM as my backup window manager. Now, I've kept the old kernel, so I have a choice of kernels to boot from. When I try to run KDE using the old kernel, it crashes too. My question is, has anyone had a similar experience like this? I could stick with IceWM for now or use another window manager like XFCE, but I'm really curious about this. Any ideas, folks ? Clive -- Clive DaSilva CMA Home Tel: 416-421-2480 Cell: 416-560-8820 Email: cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mandrake Linux 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SOT: shitfs in spam trends and topics
by hughreilly1-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

>From: Matthew Rice <matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> >Are you suggesting that we are receiving unintelligible e-mail because some >group [terrorists, fbi, cia, csis] are trying to send messages to each >other. Do you supposed that they are sending a lot of them and getting the >e-mail addresses wrong or that they are sending a lot of them to confuse >the >trail to the intended recipient? > >If you were to ask me, I'd say that this is similar to the book _Snow >Crash_. >Microsoft is sending out these seemingly unintelligible e-mails and anyone >that looks at them has their brain 're-wired' into liking M$. > > "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't out > to get you." A couple of notes to feed the paranoia: 1. One of my jobs is to handle incoming customer email at the Toronto Sun. Of course, 90%+ is spam. Many of these messages contain "nonsense" verbiage, I think designed to outfox spam blocking. But reading this "nonsense" can often give the impression that the creator is not operating in a strictly mercantile role. 2. A few years ago, I presented a paper at the McLuhan Program on the "Information Ecology", wherein I described how the emerging Internet was a radically decentralizing force which was undermining traditional power structures, and that disrupting the Internet was a logical strategy for maintaining traditional power base. It seems the spam epidemic is certainly undermining the value of email. For example, I now tell Sun customers that "just because you sent the email is no guarantee that we received the email". If spam blocking becomes the norm, we can expect that 5% +/- of legitimate emails just won't get through. -Hugh _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi… -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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C considered harmful: was Debian attacker may have used new exploit
by cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

> On December 4, 2003 12:56 pm, Marcus Brubaker wrote: > > > > You might find this article, by one of the LISP community's greats, both > > > interesting and on topic: > > > > > > http://www.paulgraham.com/javacover.html > > > > To each their own opinion but if you want to do OOP then there really > > isn't a better language out there than Java. > > Do people write real software with java or is still just web stuff? How do you define "real"? The actual successes with Java have been with "application server" software, which often represents web servers, but also other sorts of server software. The folks I work with have a whole lot of Java server software... -- let name="cbbrowne" and tld="acm.org" in String.concat "@" [name;tld];; http://cbbrowne.com/info/oses.html A Plateau is the highest form of flattery. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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What to do with kernel panics?
by anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 04 Dec '03

04 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello everyone (again), I just realized these messages have not been going to the list, so I am replying to the list in hope of getting more answers. To add to the messages below, I just opened up my computer and found out that my motherboard is: American Megatrends P4VMM2 The BIOS shows the following serial number at the boot screen: 62-0124-001131-00101111-040201 It has an Award (AMIBIOS) BIOS Thanks in advance. Anton Markov wrote: | Hello Jing Su, | | Following your suggestions here is what I discovered: | | Jing Su wrote: | | I don't have any solid leads or answers for you... but I'll keep asking | | around to see if anyone else I know has any more suggestions to pass to | | you. | Thanks. | | | You shouldn't have any problems compiling the kernel. Especially if | | you're using RH9 (if I recall correctly). Compiling the kernel is | | actually a common test people use to test the stability of an overclocked | | computer. If compiling fails, it usually means that the voltage settings | | aren't stable or the memory isn't keeping up. | I am inclined to think this is the reason. I have noticed that not only | compiling, but other apps too have started randomly crashing. | | I may even know how it happened: after my mother-board was replaced, the | CPU front-side bus was set to 100MHz (1.8GHz CPU). I tried switching | the FSB speed to 133MHz (so it runs at 2.4GHz like it should). | Unfortunately, I didn't know where the DDR jumper was so I went back to | store and had the guy there take a look at it. He changed the DDR speed | and said it's OK now. Maybe he forgot the voltage. | | Where can I get the info about the appropriate voltages for my | CPU/Motherboard. The Motherboard has a VIA everything, and Award bios, | and I am not sure of the actual make. The CPU is a 2.4GHz Pentium 4. | | Here is the output from "sensor" (I've corrected some of the values): | | [anton-zMHcGNhTcHs at public.gmane.org anton]$ sensors | eeprom-i2c-0-50 | Adapter: SMBus Via Pro adapter at 0400 | Algorithm: Non-I2C SMBus adapter | Memory type: DDR SDRAM DIMM | Memory size (MB): 512 | | it87-isa-0290 | Adapter: ISA adapter | Algorithm: ISA algorithm | VCore 1: +1.53 V (min = +1.42 V, max = +1.56 V) | VCore 2: +2.54 V (min = +2.40 V, max = +2.60 V) | +3.3V: +6.68 V (min = +3.12 V, max = +3.44 V) ALARM | (+3.34?) | +5V: +4.94 V (min = +4.72 V, max = +5.24 V) | +12V: +12.00 V (min = +11.36 V, max = +12.60 V) | -12V: -20.61 V (min = -12.63 V, max = -11.41 V) ALARM | -------- (-10.31?) This one worries me. -------------- | -5V: +3.46 V (min = -5.28 V, max = -4.81 V) ALARM | ------- (???) ---------- This one too | Stdby: +5.11 V (min = +4.72 V, max = +5.24 V) | VBat: +3.39 V | fan1: 4623 RPM (min = 0 RPM, div = 2) | fan2: 0 RPM (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2) ALARM | fan3: 0 RPM (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2) ALARM | (fan2 and fan3 work in reality) | Temp1/MB: +37?C (low = +20?C, high = +40?C) | Temp2/CPU: -96?C (low = +25?C, high = +45?C) | (+43?) | Temp3: +75?C (low = +25?C, high = +45?C) | (+33?) | | | | | Have you ever had any previous problems with your memory sticks? | No. | | | | Just to make sure it's not a CPU, Memory, or Motherboard problem, you | | could try underclocking your CPU to something lower than the "vanilla" | | setting. Ensure that the processor has plenty of "error room" to work | | with. Try using these (albeit slower) settings, and try compiling the | | kernel again. If it succeeds this time (or if your computer stops | | crashing), then maybe there is something with your CPU settings you need | | to twiddle. | Come to think of it, the kernel compiled fine when I was running at | 1.7GHz until I tuned it up. | | | Are you using the Binary Only NVIDIA drivers? I experience the freeze | | problem with VT switching to/from X sometimes when using the binary | NVIDIA | | drivers, though I have no problems with resolution switching. | No. I have a Radeon 7000 and use the normal kernel radeon.o module. | The problem is probably the same voltage setting issue. Maybe the | voltage on the AGP bus? I tried going into Windows and switching the | resolutions a few times; seemed to work fine. | | | Do your XFree or Kernel logs show any error messages (looking at them | | after a reboot)? If it's a X or driver crash, maybe the kernel had just | | enough time to log something.... | No. Nothing interesting in either log. Maybe just this one thing in | XFree86.0.log: | | drmOpenDevice: minor is 0 | drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 | drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device) | drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device) | drmOpenDevice: Open failed | drmOpenDevice: minor is 0 | drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 | drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device) | drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device) | drmOpenDevice: Open failed | drmOpenDevice: minor is 0 | drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 | drmOpenDevice: open result is 8, (OK) | | Seems like it keeps missing the card, although it may just be the delay | from loading the radeon.o module automaticly. | - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPGP Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 ~ "The difference between insanity and genius is measured only by success." ~ - Some bad guy from 007 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/0A59RreNkzrRRLQRAqOjAJ9aFUu/vcsT7ifAKhHDvUWZ9Jlk4ACfUo57 k7zInvdJs4D+oXqRbMRGlfI= =bY/y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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