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M$ to license FAT
by tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org writes: > > As the title says. Impact on Linux ? > > If the claims are true, that there are "live" patents still in place on > FAT, then it is conceivable that there might be patent infringments, or > at least places where MSFT could _claim_ that there are. IANAL but, as I understand it, damages in a pattern infringement case are usually awarded on the basis of lost profit, i.e. the profit M$ would have made if it weren't for the infringement. Linux users who want access to their FAT files (from within Linux) aren't about to purchase an M$ product (or licensed product) since there's no product available with the required functionality. Consequently, while patents might have been infringed, damages are $0. -- tim writer <tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Hard drive recovery
by cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg＠public.gmane.org 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

> On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, Robert Brockway wrote: > > - A backup that isn't off site isn't a backup at all. > > No, both on-site and off-site backups are useful, as hedges against > different classes of problems. Indeed. On-site backups can typically be applied _much_ more quickly than off-site backups. I'd buy that you have not got a robust _set_ of backups if there isn't something useful off site. But a really useful approach to doing backups is to copy data to a local host that may be a "gateway" for the offsite backup. In cases of small disasters, the data at the gateway location is quite likely to provide the most convenient means of recovery.. -- "cbbrowne","@","cbbrowne.com" http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/backup.html Don't be so open-minded that your brains fall out. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Hard drive recovery
by robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy＠public.gmane.org 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, Henry Spencer wrote: > On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, Robert Brockway wrote: > > - A backup that isn't off site isn't a backup at all. > > No, both on-site and off-site backups are useful, as hedges against > different classes of problems. Ok, my statement was probably an over simplification but it was aimed at driving home the point that a company (or even a home user) needs to have backups that will protect them from site destruction before they can consider their data even slightly safe. Too many companies religiously take backups and leave them lying on top of the server, or worse, still in the drive. As it happens I do advocate on site backups. I've certainly used them many times to effect fast recoveries when obtaining an off site backup would have slowed the recovery process considerably. When building a backup solution, resources allowing, I will setup a staging area on disk somewhere to hold backups. From the staging area the backups can go off site by the chosen means. This is a big area so I won't go on, but issues like security of the staging area (or even staging/backup server) need to be considered. Security of the data off site as well. I've been thinking about a talk on backup best practice for TLUG. I went in to this a little at the end of my optimization[1] talk but have we had anything else like this recently? [1] Spelling corrected for a North American audience. No one tried to correct my Anglo-Australian spelling during the talk but I did receive an email afterwards :) Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, zzbrock at uqconnect.net Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Mail error Question
by IlyaPalagin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

Sidney Shapiro wrote: > Any idea why I am getting this error in a mail in my box? Thanks, Sid > ... > > procmail: Quota exceeded while writing "/var/spool/mail/sako" > Disk quota of the "sako" mail account is exceeded. Sako needs to download his messages to clean up the spool, or you're trying to send too big file. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Mail error Question
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 21:25:47 -0500 "Sidney Shapiro" <sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org> wrote: > Any idea why I am getting this error in a mail in my box? Thanks, Sid I don't know offhand, but try a www.google.ca/linux search on that error and I can guarantee you you'll find some hints. I use that whenever I get an error I don't understant, it always points me in the right direction. -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "You tell me it's the institution; Well you know, you better free your mind instead..."-- John Lennon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Hard drive recovery
by henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg＠public.gmane.org 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, Robert Brockway wrote: > - A backup that isn't off site isn't a backup at all. No, both on-site and off-site backups are useful, as hedges against different classes of problems. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Mail error Question
by sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g＠public.gmane.org 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

Any idea why I am getting this error in a mail in my box? Thanks, Sid ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <sako-O05NZe1qxicxnA8XTFIEbw at public.gmane.org> (reason: can't create (user) output file) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- procmail: Quota exceeded while writing "/var/spool/mail/sako" 550 5.0.0 <sako-O05NZe1qxicxnA8XTFIEbw at public.gmane.org>... Can't create output

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M$ to license FAT
by hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ＠public.gmane.org 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 18:38:42 -0500 aacton <aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 18:21, James Knott wrote: > > The only place I use FAT, is on systems that also run Windows. > > I don't think it's hard drives that will be the problem, it's that most > digital cameras, USB key drives, and MP3 players use FAT, so it will > just inflate the prices of these items. I'm sure there are free > alternatives that are just as good, but do you think the maker of a $600 > camera will care? > > Austin Austin, I care. The flash cards for my digital camera and my USB keychain device are readable by all the computers I have access to. This is achieved by the FAT filesystem they use. I am not aware of any other file system that has this kind of portabilty. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howard-42qnO8ePF9cV+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Hard drive recovery
by robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy＠public.gmane.org 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Peter Pieczora wrote: > I've got a problem with one of the hard drives, which unfortunately is not > under warranty anymore. It was RMA'ed at Hitachi and worked fine for last 4 > months. It was used on G4 workstation with OS X loaded. > Yeasterday, drive started to give strange noise which would indicate actuator > arm problem (drive is spinning on power up). I've tried to run dft fitness > test but motherboard is not able to detect drive. > I'm wonderring if any of you could help me find best way to recover, (if > possible) all of the data. Sounds like you got a couple of good suggestions for recovery. At this point I really want to remind everyone to backup. If the data is important enough that you are worried about whether recovery will be possible when the drive fails, then it is important enough to backup. Of course when & how to backup are decisions specific to the situation. If you can stand to lose a week's data then weekly backups might be fine, but if you need to be able to recover as much as possible then nightly backups becomes a must[1]. Some important points on backing up: - Filesystem mirroring won't replace a good backup scheme. It won't even come close. - A backup that isn't off site isn't a backup at all. [1] You can even go further of course. Some companies run continuous backups of databases and the like. Our company (http://www.opentrend.net) takes backups of our job/client and accounting databases every few hours and shifts them offsite using a secure encrypted channel. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, zzbrock at uqconnect.net Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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MandrakeMove bootable CD
by jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/＠public.gmane.org 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

Jason Shein wrote: > Has anyone on the list succesfully run the MandrakeMove cd? I have tried > on a dozen different PC's with no success. > > Kernel panic every time. > Found out the the initial release of the rc was broken. The new md5sum is 111682eae2c454b4ca780119f63f8ad4 MandrakeMove-rc-i586.iso the broken one is c8167916ecc6bc72a2191a5db122c124 MandrakeMove-rc-i586.iso -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/(a)public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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