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*Really* bad week for SCO
by linux-cOjNTMaGA5U＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 05:33:16PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > That begs the question; are there any investment wizards in the group > who know how to "short" a stock and, thus" reap the reward for > predicting SCOs (and soon enough M$s) swan dive ? Shorting a stock is trivially easy. Just go to your friendly online broker website, and sell some. [Note: not all stocks are allowed to be shorted, but I don't think SCOX is one of them.] Shorting is nothing more than owning a negative number of shares of a stock. [Technically, owing a number of shares of a stock to some unspecified person, but you don't care who that person is.] When you sell 100 shares of SCOX at $15, you end up with $1500 and -100 shares of SCOX. If SCOX drops to $5, you buy back 100 shares of it for $500, and you've made a $1000 profit (and now have 0 shares of SCOX). But if instead, unbeknownst to everyone, SCOX has been using the lawsuit as a smokescreen to hide its super-secret research efforts into real-time widget operating systems, and announces the Best Thing Ever (TM), its stock price may jump to $50, and if you hold -100 of them, you'll now have to pay $5000 to close out your position, and you're in the hole big time. - Ian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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*Really* bad week for SCO
by blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

>> BTW, my ma was telling me she's already seen the IBM Linux ad, gave 'er chills > Yeah, it does have a spooky feel to it. Is this ad good or bad? Spooky can be a good feeling sometimes ;) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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*Really* bad week for SCO
by blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

> I think it's a good time to start selling any SCO stock you own... I'd be more interested if there was something we could do that would drive the price down, so that SCO investors and lawyers get as little money as possible. What can one person (or a small group) do to screw SCO/lawyers out of as much cash as possible? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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quiet PC
by aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

I have a need for my PC to be quiet. This is for three reasons: I have tintinitus several times a day, and when I don't the PC reminds me what it's like - it's like tintinitus-on-demand. : / I am starting a business for which recording acoustic instruments will play a large part. My PC is exceptionally loud - so titinuitus or not, acoustic recording or not, it's damned loud. Has anyone had luck shutting their computer up? I have a lot of start up expenses - weighted 88-key keyboard, clarinet, etc. so I'll go to great lengths to quiet this one before I'll buy a new one. In the last home studio I had, I had the PC in a closet - but I'm tired of positioning my recording/PC station to the lowest common denominator (the short leash of mouse, keyboard, etc.) - it's just silly. I guess this is a rhetorical question: Is the fan the only thing that makes noise? I have three fans - CPU, chassis and removeable drive bay. I suspected it was the removeable drive bay, so I replaced it with another, identical bay. No improvement - of course that doesn't prove that the bay is not the culprit - this brand might just have a noisy fan assembly. And to be completely honest, the unwanted sounds were different (but not less) with the second bay than with the first. So, I guess my next step is to remove the bay and just install the hard drive the old-fashioned way (?). If that doesn't help it must be one of the other two fans (?). Or chip creep? What else is there? Also, I'll be in Toronto over Christmas and I could take the PC back to Honson - they built it for me. I hope they will work hard on it without soaking me as they built it. Chris Aitken -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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M$ to license FAT
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

William Park wrote: > On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 01:02:17PM -0500, Robert Brockway wrote: > >>Maybe the manufacturers of these devices will change to another >>filesytem (they can take their pick from many choices available in >>Linux & BSD) in order to avoid paying the licencing fees. > > > Wishful thinking... If you're selling $500 digital camera, would you be > complaining that you have to pay $0.25 license fee (or whatever it is)? > My impression was that it applies to the removable devices, such as the memory "disks". Incidenally, my camera uses 8.3 file names. Does that mean I can get my $0.25 back from his Billyness? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Speaker Tommorrow Night
by robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > Will there be any guest speaker tomorrow? > If yes, what will the speaker speak about? I've been unable to confirm the status of a guest speaker for tommorrow night. If we don't have a guest speaker, then come along with your juicy technical questions and we'll have a good Q/A session. If we get bored with this I'll do a quick impromptu talk on CIDR. I believe next month's spot is open - would anyone like to put their hand up to talk. If so, please email me privately. Even if you're a new user you can still do a talk, as sometimes the best person to explain something is someone who has just learnt it. Also, from now on talks will be limited to 90 minutes with a short 5 minute break half way through unless otherwise announced by the Talks Maintainer prior to the meeting. This is to give listeners a short break which is known to dramatically increase the listeners retention of the information. Talks which are known to be significantly longer than this should be broken up across 2 (or more) sessions. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, zzbrock at uqconnect.net Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Question about the meeting
by lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, David J Patrick wrote: >30 - 50 furry geeks (and, occasionally, a bright looking young lady) >gather in a lecture room. I thought geeks usually less furry. What do you mean by "bright looking"? :-) >If there's a guest speaker, Will there be any guest speaker tomorrow? If yes, what will the speaker speak about? >There will be jabs at SCO and Micro$oft, and countless inside jokes with >varying levels of hilarity. Problems will be solved, and new ones >uncovered, contacts will be made. Sounds like very normal gathering. :-) >You can park along Kings College circle, I think it'll be $10 - $12 Argh! Did I say 'reasonable'? Well, TTC it is, then. Thanks! -- Stephan Paul Arif Sahari Wibowo _____ _____ _____ _____ /____ /____/ /____/ /____ _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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volunteers need to do some Python programming
by clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

At 09:11 08/12/2003 -0500, bob findlay wrote: >iCanProgram.com has been offering online programming courses for nofees since >Jan 2002. By most measures it has been a great success with over 2000 >students since Jan 2002. > >One of the older courses is in need of a "spruce up". This course uses >Tcl/Tk to introduce programming to complete beginners. Tcl/Tk was chosen >because I knew the language and it is freely available on any OS platform >including that dreaded Gatesware. > >I'd like to enhance this course material with Python/Tk examples in parallel >to Tcl/Tk. Unfortunately, I don't know Python sufficiently well to >author this material. > >If you are interested in volunteering your talents to this task please >contact me off list and we can discuss what I had in mind. Hi Bob, Others might find this useful so I will respond to the list. There are some good resources for learning Python programming and for learning how to program using Python. The book "Learn to Program Using Python" by Alan Gauld is excellent and would be suitable for anyone. "Learn to Think Like a Computer Scientist" <http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/> is another good resource. Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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*Really* bad week for SCO
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:33:16 -0500 David J Patrick <davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org> wrote: > That begs the question; are there any investment wizards in the group > who know how to "short" a stock > and, thus" reap the reward for predicting SCOs (and soon enough M$s) > swan dive ? > Should we get a group thing going ? hmmmm ? IIRC, that came up before, on this very list. At first I was a little cold on the idea, being a bit of a pinko and all ;-), but hey, like Heinlein said, "of course the game is fixed, but if you don't bet, you can't win". Everyone go watch Trading Places, we'll be experts by tomorrow, then let the bloodletting begin! BTW, my ma was telling me she's already seen the IBM Linux ad, gave 'er chills and she doesn't even know what Linux is hardly. I don't have cable myself :-(. Anyone else seen it on TV? -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ If those in charge of our society - politicians, corporate executives, and owners of press and television - can dominate our ideas, they will be secure in their power. They will not need soldiers patrolling the streets. We will control ourselves.-- Howard Zinn -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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*Really* bad week for SCO
by davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

JoeHill wrote: >>From Groklaw, the requirements for SCO, as put forward by the judge, to not only >identify the *exact* items which it claims are improperly copied IP, but *this* >little bit, which I would give anything to see them try and show: > >"efforts to maintain secrecy or confidentiality of the [alleged trade >secrets]...." > >LOL! That should be kinda tough, considering they released those "trade >secrets" in their own version of Linux... :-D > >I think it's a good time to start selling any SCO stock you own... > >Link: > >http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20031206151020872 > > > That begs the question; are there any investment wizards in the group who know how to "short" a stock and, thus" reap the reward for predicting SCOs (and soon enough M$s) swan dive ? Should we get a group thing going ? hmmmm ? djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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