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Question about the meeting
by lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, David J Patrick wrote: >TTC to College & McCaul, then cut north into the University grounds.. > .. ask a fresh faced student how to get to the Galbraith building. Anybody have some estimate on how long it tooks for TTC from Don Mills Station? Thanks! -- Stephan Paul Arif Sahari Wibowo _____ _____ _____ _____ /____ /____/ /____/ /____ _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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central mail
by lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Chris Aitken wrote: >I now need to move to a system by which I can see the same >email from two different PCs. If your e-mail provider provide IMAP service, just setup your MUA to use IMAP to access your e-mails. If not, then you can pull the mail to one computer using fetchmail, and then setup that computer to be IMAP server. Set the MUA on the other computer to access the email using IMAP. This assuming the other computer can connect to the first computer, either both in one LAN, or the first computer have real Internet address. -- Stephan Paul Arif Sahari Wibowo _____ _____ _____ _____ /____ /____/ /____/ /____ _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Speaker Tommorrow Night
by davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

Robert Brockway wrote: >How would you feel about fleshing the talk out and doing it as a full >scale talk next month rather than doing a quick one tommorrow night? > >If you'd rather do a quick one tommorrow night I'm happy with that also. > >Rob > > > I think doing it next month is probably a better idea. I will have my act (a little more) together and the reno will be closer to completion. Perhaps I might just reintroduce myself and my mission tomorrow. It's an interesting and complex challenge; A small neighborhood caffe, with coffee, panini and stuff. A website, a php jukebox and a WiFi access point (free with food) A handful of fixed terminals and laptops-for-rent. Point Of Sale, security systems and accounting all running as thin clients, on linux. For many people, it will be a first look at linux. If done properly it will be a showcase of gleaming eyecandy and brisk performance. if not; a demonstration of why only geeks would use that stuff. I plan to sell linux distributions and other open source software, in no frills packaging, fresh baked onsite. $6 ? I was even thinking of having a prominent grafitti artist paint Tux on a Harley outside. smoking tires tearing up a field of ones and zeros. f r e e c o d e As a system administrator, I am WAY over my head ! But as an open source junkie I'm convinced that it can be done and I sense that there is a community here, who would share the vision and pitch in. sysadmin 4 food ? espresssssso ?? It's an uphill battle getting this thing open on a shoestring budget. For the last fifteen years I've been a filmmaker, and now I find myself as restaurateur / entrepreneur. (it's a long story) Sun Tzu said "If you want an army to fight for you, burn the bridges behind them" Well, at the moment, I'm an army of one, and the smoke you see is (mostly) bridges.. .. i'm goin' in ! are ya with me ? (cue: bagpipes) thanks lads, seeya tomorrow night, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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*Really* bad week for SCO
by clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

At 17:33 08/12/2003 -0500, David J Patrick wrote: >JoeHill wrote: [snip] >>I think it's a good time to start selling any SCO stock you own... [snip] >That begs the question; are there any investment wizards in the group who >know how to "short" a stock and, thus" reap the reward for predicting SCOs >(and soon enough M$s) swan dive ? Shorting a stock is not difficult or require great financial wizardry. You just issue a sell order with your broker without owning any stock. Your broker in turn borrows the stock from someone who already owns it. You make money if the stock drops enough to cover your transaction costs and then some but only if you put in a buy order to negate your previous sell order. You will in all likelihood have to put up substantial margin though. Keep in mind a few things. First, there are people who trade stocks for a living and they have access at the very least to the same information you do. The current price for SCOX reflects their expectations. Second, another company coming along and taking SCO out might dash your dreams of becoming rich, rich, rich. Third, you have to analyze the risk/reward ratio. If the risk free yield is 3% today, you have to do much better than 3%, how much better is up to you, in order to make it worthwhile. Finally, unless you do this for a living, the odds are against you that you will make money doing this. You should avoid speculating with money that you cannot afford to lose. In other words, if you feel confident that this is a winning strategy, and you have analyzed the risk/reward ratio and determined that it is acceptable to you, and you are doing this with money you can afford to lose, by all means, go for it. Otherwise, you are just another sheep waiting to be sheared by the pros in the business. >Should we get a group thing going ? If you feel that strongly that shorting SCOX or MSFT is a good move, why wait for anyone else? You don't need a "group" to do this. >hmmmm ? >djp Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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M$ to license FAT
by cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

> On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 10:19:55AM -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > > cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org writes: > > > > > > As the title says. Impact on Linux ? > > > > > > If the claims are true, that there are "live" patents still in place on > > > FAT, then it is conceivable that there might be patent infringments, or > > > at least places where MSFT could _claim_ that there are. > > > > IANAL but, as I understand it, damages in a pattern infringement case are > > usually awarded on the basis of lost profit, i.e. the profit M$ would have > > made if it weren't for the infringement. Linux users who want access to > > their FAT files (from within Linux) aren't about to purchase an M$ product > > (or licensed product) since there's no product available with the > > required functionality. Consequently, while patents might have been > > infringed, damages are $0. > > That's fine for a dual boot Linux getting access to the licensed MS > file system, but if another poster was right about USD memory disks > and such devices using FAT, the "damage" is that you used a Linux > instead of buying Windows to read the USB device. > > Does anyone have any details of exactly what is patented and when the > patent(s) expire? What is Highly Curious is the fact that Atari was selling systems based on FAT filesystems probably fifteen years ago, and were never attacked for this. What is VERY interesting is that none of the patents in question have to do with the filesystem. They ALL have to do with the way DOS 6 started providing support for longer filenames. The patents date back to 1996, and every single one is about filenaming. 1 6,286,013 Method and system for providing a common name space for long and short file names in an operating system 2 5,758,352 Common name space for long and short filenames 3 5,745,902 Method and system for accessing a file using file names having different file name formats 4 5,579,517 Common name space for long and short filenames -- let name="cbbrowne" and tld="cbbrowne.com" in name ^ "@" ^ tld;; http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/advocacy.html :FATAL ERROR -- ILLEGAL ERROR -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Speaker Tommorrow Night
by davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

Robert Brockway wrote: >On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > > > >>Will there be any guest speaker tomorrow? >>If yes, what will the speaker speak about? >> >> > >I've been unable to confirm the status of a guest speaker for tommorrow >night. If we don't have a guest speaker, then come along with your juicy >technical questions and we'll have a good Q/A session. > > > [snip] >Rob > > > If an opportunity presented itself, I'd like to talk a bit more about my (impending) linux WiFi caffe. I'll try to have a (little) bit of material prepared. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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*Really* bad week for SCO
by davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > [snip] > >> That begs the question; are there any investment wizards in the group >> who know how to "short" a stock and, thus" reap the reward for >> predicting SCOs (and soon enough M$s) swan dive ? > > > Shorting a stock is not difficult or require great financial wizardry. [snip] > Finally, unless you do this for a living, the odds are against you > that you will make money doing this. You should avoid speculating with > money that you cannot afford to lose. In other words, if you feel > confident that this is a winning strategy, and you have analyzed the > risk/reward ratio and determined that it is acceptable to you, and you > are doing this with money you can afford to lose, by all means, go for > it. Otherwise, you are just another sheep waiting to be sheared by the > pros in the business. > > I believe it was Mark Twain who said; "There are two times when a man shouldn't speculate; when he can't afford to and when he can." djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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central mail
by robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Ilya Palagin wrote: > The feature you need is called IMAP, and it has to be supported by your Fortunately unix is built in a modular fashion so it just comes a matter of selecting the IMAP package of choice and installing it. > mail server. Your email client has to support IMAP as well, I'm not sure With the exception of the CLI tools mail & mailx I haven't see an MUA that didn't support IMAP in many years. > Good news - IMAP service installation is simple and described on many sites. Definately. It can be bandwidth intensive though so its use of a low pseed connection isn't recommended :) Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, zzbrock at uqconnect.net Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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central mail
by wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

If you are using a mail service form an ISP, you may not be able to use IMAP. You would have to find out by asking. You can still use POP and admittedly, it is not as good a solution as IMAP, but it will work. You can configure your mail client to leave messages on the server for a number of days or forever depending on what you want to do. Just don't let your mailbox fill up. Then go and configure the other mail client to do the same. The draw back is that your address book, sent messages etc, are not shared, only your inbox. Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: Ilya Palagin [mailto:IlyaPalagin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 8:32 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: central mail Chris Aitken wrote: ... > know of a site called "Setting up Netscape Messenger to store the mail > database centrally to be accessed from any linux PC on the network" > (please Creator, let there be such a site!). : ) The feature you need is called IMAP, and it has to be supported by your mail server. Your email client has to support IMAP as well, I'm not sure about Netscape, but Mozilla does it perfectly. Good news - IMAP service installation is simple and described on many sites. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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quiet PC
by phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

I sympathise, many PC's these days are unbearably noisy. I got one that was unacceptably noisy and simply took it back to OTA the next day and asked for a quieter fan. They obliged. That's the easiest and simplest solution. Incidentally, a larger fan is quieter for the same volume of air because the fan blades can rotate more slowly. If a quiet fan isn't an option, there are ways to quiet the device. Basically, you have to put it in a sturdy enclosure with a labyrinth (a duct with bends in it) for the cooling air to pass through. The labyrinth is lined with absorbing material that absorbs the sound. You may have noticed a generator wagon on film shoots. The thing is generating thousands of watts of electricity from a diesel generator, there is a plum of exaust gas coming out the top, and it can hardly be heard at all. So it is absolutely possible to quiet a PC. If you like, I can provide more details, I used to do consulting in acoustics and noise reduction. Peter On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 07:07:15PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > I have a need for my PC to be quiet. This is for three reasons: > > I have tintinitus several times a day, and when I don't the PC > reminds me what it's like - it's like tintinitus-on-demand. : / > > I am starting a business for which recording acoustic instruments > will play a large part. > > My PC is exceptionally loud - so titinuitus or not, acoustic recording > or not, it's damned loud. > > Has anyone had luck shutting their computer up? I have a lot of > start up expenses - weighted 88-key keyboard, clarinet, etc. so I'll go > to great lengths to quiet this one before I'll buy a new one. > > In the last home studio I had, I had the PC in a closet - but I'm tired > of positioning my recording/PC station to the lowest common > denominator (the short leash of mouse, keyboard, etc.) - it's > just silly. > > I guess this is a rhetorical question: Is the fan the only thing that > makes > noise? I have three fans - CPU, chassis and removeable drive bay. > > I suspected it was the removeable drive bay, so I replaced it with > another, > identical bay. No improvement - of course that doesn't prove that the > bay > is not the culprit - this brand might just have a noisy fan assembly. > And to > be completely honest, the unwanted sounds were different (but not less) > with the second bay than with the first. > > So, I guess my next step is to remove the bay and just install the hard > drive > the old-fashioned way (?). If that doesn't help it must be one of the > other two > fans (?). Or chip creep? What else is there? > > Also, I'll be in Toronto over Christmas and I could take the PC back to > Honson > - they built it for me. I hope they will work hard on it without soaking > me as they > built it. > > Chris Aitken > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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