December 2003 - Legacy - lists.gtalug.org

share the vision and pitch in
by tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

I may be tempted to offer a helping hand. Martin Duclos tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Robert Brockway wrote: >How would you feel about fleshing the talk out and doing it as a full >scale talk next month rather than doing a quick one tommorrow night? > >If you'd rather do a quick one tommorrow night I'm happy with that also. > >Rob > > > I think doing it next month is probably a better idea. I will have my act (a little more) together and the reno will be closer to completion. Perhaps I might just reintroduce myself and my mission tomorrow. It's an interesting and complex challenge; A small neighborhood caffe, with coffee, panini and stuff. A website, a php jukebox and a WiFi access point (free with food) A handful of fixed terminals and laptops-for-rent. Point Of Sale, security systems and accounting all running as thin clients, on linux. For many people, it will be a first look at linux. If done properly it will be a showcase of gleaming eyecandy and brisk performance. if not; a demonstration of why only geeks would use that stuff. I plan to sell linux distributions and other open source software, in no frills packaging, fresh baked onsite. $6 ? I was even thinking of having a prominent grafitti artist paint Tux on a Harley outside. smoking tires tearing up a field of ones and zeros. f r e e c o d e As a system administrator, I am WAY over my head ! But as an open source junkie I'm convinced that it can be done and I sense that there is a community here, who would share the vision and pitch in. sysadmin 4 food ? espresssssso ?? It's an uphill battle getting this thing open on a shoestring budget. For the last fifteen years I've been a filmmaker, and now I find myself as restaurateur / entrepreneur. (it's a long story) Sun Tzu said "If you want an army to fight for you, burn the bridges behind them" Well, at the moment, I'm an army of one, and the smoke you see is (mostly) bridges.. .. i'm goin' in ! are ya with me ? (cue: bagpipes) thanks lads, seeya tomorrow night, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms… -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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quiet PC
by sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

> Well, thanks for all the information here. I'll print this out and take it > with > me to Honson - I'll probably get them to do this. I'm up in Timmins now - > I > guess I should really develop a relationship with a PC store up here. > > Chris The store in Timmins in the 101, as well as on Algonquin is terrible, expensive and very limited to what they carry. If it's more than a mouse or a keyboard, it's probably better to get it shipped up from Toronto. Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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quiet PC
by linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

What CPU and is the Heat Sink and FAN supplied by the manufacturere (AMD or Intel)? Madison Ladislav Svatos wrote: > On December 8, 2003 10:22 pm, Madison Kelly wrote: > >>Hi, >> >> May I make a few suggestions? >> ......... >>Madison >> > > The most noisiest fan on my computer is the CPU fan. What do you recommend for > a CPU fan? > > Lada > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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quiet PC
by lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

On December 8, 2003 10:22 pm, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi, > > May I make a few suggestions? > ......... > Madison > The most noisiest fan on my computer is the CPU fan. What do you recommend for a CPU fan? Lada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Reply To address messes with tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 19:20:08 -0500 Chris Aitken <aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> wrote: > I tried this a while back and ran into problems sending/recieving email > to/from tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org, > if I recall correctly. > > Any ideas? The problem is, if people don't notice, or don't have their mail client set up to override this, the responses to your post(s) will go directly to you instead of to the list. The people who *do* notice and/or have their client set up to override your reply-to, well, you get the idea. Your only hope, AFAIK, is that people will reply to your post with a cc to the list. Unless I'm *completely* misunderstanding you, which is a common thing for me, it's just not a Good Thing on mailing lists. I'm hoping that this response will not result in you making threats about coming to my house and doing me harm, which is what happened on another list when I questioned someone's use of this setting :-D -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Reality is what you can get away with." -- Robert Anton Wilson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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quiet PC
by linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

Hi, May I make a few suggestions? I build (and have been building) systems for some time now and to be honest the current crazy to stick a fan on everything (which I admit to being swpet up in a few years ago) is a waste for almost all applications. The hard drive cooling fan can almost certainly go. Even the Seagates, which I love and get notoriously hot, are fine without auxiliary cooling. Now I assume by chassis you mean the fan built into the power supply. Am I right or is there a seperate auxiliary case fan? At any rate, Antec Inc. makes an 80mm cooling fan with a hub-mounted thermistor that only raises the speed of the blades (and thereby the sound levels) when a certain thresh hold temperature is exceeded (lowest thresh hold is 20oC where it start to climb from 1630rpm @ 21dBA pushing 28CFM and climb up through to 50oC where it hits 2900rpm @ 34.5dba pushing 45CFM). Replacing the PSU fan with this one would require a little monkey work and would have to be comfortable working IN a power supply but if you know how to be safe around capacitors then it is a relatively easy hack. On the more expensive but easier front I would recommend the Antec VAR series SX1000 II mid tower chassis with an Antec TruePower 330 power supply. I build alot of boxes around that chassis and power supply and it is about as quiet as they get. In fact, if Micheal Galea here on the list is willing, he has one of my boxes with that chassis and PSU. It has two auxiliary 80mm fans that are powered by a variable speed circuit built into the PSU. It also has two more 80mm variable speed fans built into the PSU exhausting the chassis air in series. All this translaets to a chassis that exhausts plenty of air without producing virtually any noise. In fact, the CD-ROM spinning up usually doubles the audio pressure leaving the chassis :D. Madison Chris Aitken wrote: > I have a need for my PC to be quiet. This is for three reasons: > > I have tintinitus several times a day, and when I don't the PC > reminds me what it's like - it's like tintinitus-on-demand. : / > > I am starting a business for which recording acoustic instruments > will play a large part. > > My PC is exceptionally loud - so titinuitus or not, acoustic recording > or not, it's damned loud. > > Has anyone had luck shutting their computer up? I have a lot of > start up expenses - weighted 88-key keyboard, clarinet, etc. so I'll go > to great lengths to quiet this one before I'll buy a new one. > > In the last home studio I had, I had the PC in a closet - but I'm tired > of positioning my recording/PC station to the lowest common > denominator (the short leash of mouse, keyboard, etc.) - it's > just silly. > > I guess this is a rhetorical question: Is the fan the only thing that > makes > noise? I have three fans - CPU, chassis and removeable drive bay. > > I suspected it was the removeable drive bay, so I replaced it with > another, > identical bay. No improvement - of course that doesn't prove that the > bay > is not the culprit - this brand might just have a noisy fan assembly. > And to > be completely honest, the unwanted sounds were different (but not less) > with the second bay than with the first. > > So, I guess my next step is to remove the bay and just install the hard > drive > the old-fashioned way (?). If that doesn't help it must be one of the > other two > fans (?). Or chip creep? What else is there? > > Also, I'll be in Toronto over Christmas and I could take the PC back to > Honson > - they built it for me. I hope they will work hard on it without soaking > me as they > built it. > > Chris Aitken -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Looking for 270 or 540MB IDE drives
by teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

I need a few 270 or 540MB IDEs for router projects. Please email me at teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org, if you are downtown Toronto and have access to a few of these. (2 to N drives) or know of a place where I can get some of these. Most people would be throwing these things away. --------------------------------------------------------------- teddy mills http://www.vger.ca VGER directives...To collect...all that is collectable. To sell...all that is saleable.To merchandise...all that is merchandisable. Family Guys, Quagmire "allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll right" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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central mail
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

Forgot to mention. All your folders can be stored on the imap server, so that your sent messages etc., are available on all systems. James Knott wrote: > Fetchmail can be used to collect the mail from a POP server. > > > Wil McGilvery wrote: > >> If you are using a mail service form an ISP, you may not be able to >> use IMAP. You would have to find out by asking. >> >> You can still use POP and admittedly, it is not as good a solution as >> IMAP, but it will work. >> >> You can configure your mail client to leave messages on the server for >> a number of days or forever depending on what you want to do. Just >> don't let your mailbox fill up. >> >> Then go and configure the other mail client to do the same. >> >> The draw back is that your address book, sent messages etc, are not >> shared, only your inbox. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Wil McGilvery >> Manager >> Lynch Digital Media Inc >> >> >> 416-744-7949 >> 416-716-3964 (cell) >> 1-866-314-4678 >> 416-744-0406 FAX >> www.LynchDigital.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ilya Palagin [mailto:IlyaPalagin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org] Sent: Monday, >> December 08, 2003 8:32 PM >> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: central mail >> >> Chris Aitken wrote: >> >> ... >> >>> know of a site called "Setting up Netscape Messenger to store the mail >>> database centrally to be accessed from any linux PC on the network" >>> (please Creator, let there be such a site!). : ) >> >> >> >> The feature you need is called IMAP, and it has to be supported by >> your mail server. Your email client has to support IMAP as well, I'm >> not sure about Netscape, but Mozilla does it perfectly. >> >> Good news - IMAP service installation is simple and described on many >> sites. >> >> >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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central mail
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

Fetchmail can be used to collect the mail from a POP server. Wil McGilvery wrote: > If you are using a mail service form an ISP, you may not be able to use IMAP. You would have to find out by asking. > > You can still use POP and admittedly, it is not as good a solution as IMAP, but it will work. > > You can configure your mail client to leave messages on the server for a number of days or forever depending on what you want to do. Just don't let your mailbox fill up. > > Then go and configure the other mail client to do the same. > > The draw back is that your address book, sent messages etc, are not shared, only your inbox. > > > Regards, > > Wil McGilvery > Manager > Lynch Digital Media Inc > > > > 416-744-7949 > 416-716-3964 (cell) > 1-866-314-4678 > 416-744-0406 FAX > www.LynchDigital.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ilya Palagin [mailto:IlyaPalagin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org] > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 8:32 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: central mail > > Chris Aitken wrote: > > ... > >>know of a site called "Setting up Netscape Messenger to store the mail >>database centrally to be accessed from any linux PC on the network" >>(please Creator, let there be such a site!). : ) > > > The feature you need is called IMAP, and it has to be supported by your > mail server. Your email client has to support IMAP as well, I'm not sure > about Netscape, but Mozilla does it perfectly. > > Good news - IMAP service installation is simple and described on many sites. > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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*Really* bad week for SCO
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:07:51 -0500 "Colin McGregor" <colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org> wrote: > The problem is that SCO may pull a few stunts (or get lucky (a > drunk/stoned judge?)) along the way that will (for a time) cause the share > price to spike up. Or just as bad for the person attempting this "shorting", a buyout. MS puts up x millions of dollars to buy up a controlling stake in SCO, and you just lost your shorts (pun intended). -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." -- Hunter S. Thompson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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