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Free market, not Capitalism (Re: In the Beginning was the Command Line)
by cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, JoeHill wrote: > >The problem really isn't that Capitalism is a totally free market, as you > >seem to be hinting at, it's that it is in fact *not* a free market. It > >concentrates power around those who *have* capital, and therefore works > >against the free flow of trade, and also against innovation. > > 100% agree. > > IMHO, ideally economy should based on effort, not capital. This will > work well with free market. In fact, I think a economy based on effort > will be an utopia. Unfortunately, effort is hard to measure. > > It is true that there is small correlation between effort and gaining > capital. That's why controlled capitalism can work, albeit just Ok. The _grand_ problem around the world that keeps coming back, over and over, is that of "land reform." Communism shows off two notable approaches; when land is held by the state, it is either _essentially_ owned by the top politicians, or, instead, by _nobody_. In the former case, we observe _spectacular_ corruption; in the latter, we observe the "tragedy of the commons" problem, where the land is likely to essentially get "raped" because it is in everyone's interests to get as much personal benefit out of it as possible. The recent situation in Zimbabwe showed off that it is really problematic to try to implement reforms. It seems reasonable that there ought to be _some_ way for the common people of that country to somehow participate in owning parts of their country. But seizing capital from one group and trying to redistribute it tends to turn out badly. (And attracts politicians with sticky fingers that will redistribute to their cronies.) The situation since Perestroika, in the former USSR, was similarly troublesome. What would have been RIGHT would have been to somehow try to divide up the land and the state-owned businesses, and for each citizen to get a share in that. What happened instead was that cronies of the former rulers got control of it all, arguably worsening things. Capitalism occasionally gets it somewhat right. I saw a _fascinating_ case when working at Sabre, a former subsidiary of AMR (American Airlines). AMR owned 80% of Sabre, and decided to spin it all off. They did a _fascinating_ thing, corresponding to what I just suggested about the USSR. They issued shares amounting to that 80%, and distributed it evenly to all AMR shareholders. "For free." In effect, a couple billion dollars worth of stock suddenly appeared on the market, without a single penny of cash changing hands. I had expected some attempt at 'deal-making' that would look bizarre. For them to "give the company away" was quite surprising, but, at close look, very much the right answer. I think that is the sort of thing that should have happened in the ex-USSR; that each citizen get 10 shares in each of the state-run firms, to do with as they wish, and perhaps something analagous concerning land holdings. Since something like that did not happen, the country was essentially given to the "mafia" sorts that own and run the companies. One of the more interesting alternative points of view on the Vietnam "war" was that what went desperately wrong there was _not_ a US military defeat, but rather the fact that the government they were trying to work with was stupendously corrupt. At some point, it's not worth trying. That was yet another "land reform" situation which hardly went well... Looking back to the "good 'ol days" of North America, it was the 'land of milk and honey' back when they were doing "land reform" where the policy was that anyone [passing appropriate "racial profiles"...] could claim a section of farm land. Once they stop "making land," ownership has a tendancy to congregate, and it is not nearly so simple for later generations... -- select 'cbbrowne' || '@' || 'ntlug.org'; http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/sap.html There are two kinds of fool; One who says "This is old and therefore bad," and one who says "This is new and therefore better." -- John Brunner -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Exim problem
by alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

Hello all I'm having a heck of a problem. My system supposedly does not allow unauthorized relaying, yet Exim V4 is apparently sending out hundreds and hundreds of messages (to persons-YDxpq3io04c at public.gmane.org) - It would seem they are "from" apache-WYle8UNbkfMGClDRh0WFwpAGcjtitEbrAL8bYrjMMd8 at public.gmane.org - Their source is P=local (not smtp) Somehow, these messages are originating from my system. (not relayed from somewhere else) - Local user p911-alan is the first recipient. His message shows that there is one (and only one) additional "To" who is a non-existent person-PyrWk/hl1m8sac7YOPP9X1aTQe2KTcn/(a)public.gmane.org - /var/log/exim/main.log shows a heck of a lot of other people are being sent that same message Does anyone have any suggestions? I'd sure like to know how this guy is doing it... exigrep extract re: 2003-12-10 22:05:56 1AUH9I-0000Eb-Qr <= apache-WYle8UNbkfMGClDRh0WFwpAGcjtitEbrAL8bYrjMMd8 at public.gmane.org U=apache P=local S=3387 T="Adobe Photoshop" lowest numbered MX record points to local host: www.perimeter911.com == cristi898-PyrWk/hl1m8sac7YOPP9X1aTQe2KTcn/(a)public.gmane.org R=lookuphost defer (-1): lowest numbered MX record points to local host => p911-alan <answers-I2tnHk3vA3RB9i3/4EaAEw at public.gmane.org> R=local_director T=maildir_delivery Remote host mailin-02.mx.aol.com [205.188.159.57] closed connection in response to end of data => mawwwwwwww-YDxpq3io04c at public.gmane.org R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp H=mailin-02.mx.aol.com [205.188.159.57] -> gwbw2-YDxpq3io04c at public.gmane.org R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp H=mailin-02.mx.aol.com [205.188.159.57] -> ..and hundreds of more recipient-5uyhOP+zmq2tXF2fZOsJYA at public.gmane.org -- -------------------------------------- Please do not respond in HTML Alan Cohen alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/(a)public.gmane.org voice: 416-783-9826 fax: 240-269-7457 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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hard drive wanted
by jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

hehe, you must be one of those SCSI guys. One way I can play with new versions of linux, is to use removable drive trays. This way I don't need a second PC, I can just switch the drive, and i've got IDE. On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Taavi Burns wrote: > On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 09:52:00PM -0500, Justin Zygmont wrote: > > doesn't anyone have IDE? :) > > Why would anyone WANT IDE? > > People don't want IDE, they want cheap hard disks. :/ > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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mangled SMTP headers with spamassassin / qmail / debian stable (long)
by lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 09:56:55PM -0500, Michael Coburn wrote: > The original qmail-queue file (as compiled by qmail-src) is an ELF binary, > was never a script. I replaced it with a cheap hack of a script to > squeeze spamassassin into the mix, then pass it along the Dr Bernstein way > of doing SMTP. > Why qmail? Because I didn't want to run sendmail while on Red Hat, so I > picked the #2 MTA on the market. And other than the cheap qmail-queue > hack, it is compliant:apt-get install ucspi-tcp > apt-get install qmail-src Then what is it doing in /var/qmail/bin? That doesn't look like debian policy compliant. > I'll take a look at exim. Thanks for the tip :) It's simple to configure, and Debian's default mailer. The docs can be a pain at times though. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Freevo
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:11:58 -0500 Jason Shein <jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/(a)public.gmane.org> wrote: > Anyone here tried Freevo? > http://freevo.sourceforge.net > > Judging by the screenshots it's someone local working on it > http://freevo.sourceforge.net/screenshots_blue_round2.html#freevo_ss2 > Notice the local content ;) > > Any experiences good/bad before I jump into my next project here? I've tried Freevo, their installer works great, and it plays movies and such, but to this day I've never been able to get any output to go to the TV. I've tried nvtv, yanc, etc., nothing works. I've got a GF4Ti with TV Out, and the Nvidia drivers are supposed to allow this, but no go. -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "He who controls others may be powerful, but he who has mastered himself is mightier still."-- Lao Tsu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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hard drive wanted
by taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 09:52:00PM -0500, Justin Zygmont wrote: > doesn't anyone have IDE? :) Why would anyone WANT IDE? People don't want IDE, they want cheap hard disks. :/ -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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mangled SMTP headers with spamassassin / qmail / debian stable (long)
by michael-3aH0qR8MVRD3fQ9qLvQP4Q＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

The original qmail-queue file (as compiled by qmail-src) is an ELF binary, was never a script. I replaced it with a cheap hack of a script to squeeze spamassassin into the mix, then pass it along the Dr Bernstein way of doing SMTP. Why qmail? Because I didn't want to run sendmail while on Red Hat, so I picked the #2 MTA on the market. And other than the cheap qmail-queue hack, it is compliant:apt-get install ucspi-tcp apt-get install qmail-src I'll take a look at exim. Thanks for the tip :) -- michael Lennart Sorensen said: > On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 04:26:43PM -0500, Michael Coburn wrote: >> Hi, after re-reading my email I might have left out one piece. The > mail >> coming into the relay machine is pushed to qmail via a shell script > called >> /var/qmail/bin/qmail-queue:---- >> #!/bin/sh >> /usr/bin/spamc | /var/qmail/bin/qmail-queue.orig >> ---- >> I moved the original binary file qmail-queue to qmail-queue.orig . >> >> When I remove the shell script and rename the .orig file back to >> qmail-queue, the system relays i.e. all SMTP header info is correct. > Any >> ideas?-- > > Your script changes are broken? > > What is the difference between the original and the new scripts? > > Is it OK to ask: Why qmail when exim is available? And you could at > least use a debian compliant qmail :) > > Lennart Sorensen > (Happy exim + mailscanner + spamassassin + Maildir user) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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hard drive wanted
by jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

doesn't anyone have IDE? :) On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Jason Shein wrote: > John Macdonald wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:20:37PM -0500, Byron Sonne wrote: > > > >>I have a bunch in ~2GB and ~4GB, but SCSI only I'm afraid. However, > >>having gone through my stash and reorganized I found I have more SCSI > >>controllers than I thought. I'd have no problem throwing one in but > >>you're probably looking at only 10MB/s xfer rate. 2940AU I believe. > >> > >>If anyone else out there needs a drive the offer's open for that too, > >>but minus a controller since I need to hang on to the rest. > > > > > > I could make use of one of tose drives. My old Mac 7200 > > has a tiny and a small drive, they could both fit onto > > a 2GB drive and have some room for growth. > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > while we are on topic I have a few SCSI hdd's and controllers I do not > need. If they are of any use to someone I would be glad to part with > them. I live in Georgetown so I may be out of the way for most of you. > > If anyone is interested mail me off list. > > HDD'S > > Seagate Legacy L420 - 424MB > IBM DPES-31080 - 1080MB > Conner CP30540 - 540MB > IBM WDS-3200 - 200MB > Legacy D0201050 - 1.0 GB > Quantum 540S FB54S011 - 500MB Apple > > Tape > > Archive Corporation 2525S > > Controllers > > Adaptec AHA-2842A > Adaptec AHA-1740A > Adaptec AHA-1742A > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Freevo
by jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

Anyone here tried Freevo? http://freevo.sourceforge.net Judging by the screenshots it's someone local working on it http://freevo.sourceforge.net/screenshots_blue_round2.html#freevo_ss2 Notice the local content ;) Any experiences good/bad before I jump into my next project here? -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/(a)public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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sco.com right off the map
by teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

that old law about "an eye for an eye" leaves everybody blind. The time is always right to do the right thing .~ Martin Luther King Jr. ~ -------------------------------------------------------------- teddy mills http://www.vger.ca VGER directives...To collect...all that is collectable. To sell...all that is saleable.To merchandise...all that is merchandisable. Family Guys, Quagmire "allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll right" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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