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GTK 1.2 and GTK 2 Fonts
by gstrom-MwcKTmeKVNQ＠public.gmane.org 11 Dec '03

11 Dec '03

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:53:01 -0500 JoeHill <joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org> wrote: > Only problem is, although all GTK2 apps use the AA Verdana, all GTK > 1.2 apps(well, all 2 of them: GCombust and J-Pilot) still use ol' > Helvetica. > > Is there any way anyone's aware of to make them all consistent, or are > GTK 1.2 apps simply not able to use AA fonts? > > I am running XFCE4 with Pekwm as my WM, and XFCE4 allows me to set the > application fonts. I have tried editing my .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 config > file thusly: > > style "user-font" > { > font="Verdana 10" > } > > but to no avail. > Anti-aliasing doesn't work on gtk 1.x apps. There's a workaround that is supposed to create AA but I can't remember what it's called. I'm using Slackware 9.0. It has a file called .gtkrc which controls the fonts in gtk 1.x apps. Here's what mine looks like: (note that although it says "do not edit," I had to edit the font info by hand to get it to work. # -- THEME AUTO-WRITTEN DO NOT EDIT include "/usr/share/themes/Sunshine-mine/gtk/gtkrc" style "user-font" { font="-microsoft-verdana-medium-r-normal-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" } widget_class "*" style "user-font" include "/home/glens/.gtkrc.mine" # -- THEME AUTO-WRITTEN DO NOT EDIT -- Glen Strom gstrom-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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YYZTechA new computer newspaper for Toronto?
by cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg＠public.gmane.org 11 Dec '03

11 Dec '03

> Dislike: > > Too many advertisements. (Actually, any, but that's not realistic.) As William Park observed, this is the way these "rags" make money, so that their _real_ purpose is to have ads, and a bit of writing, as filler, to both fill space not sold, as well as to provide an extra reason for readers to pick it up and browse through. If you look carefully at most of the "computer monthlies," you will also notice that the 'articles' are thinly veiled ads to encourage people to buy the newest interesting products. If the desire is to recreate something akin to TCJ (The Computer Journal) <http://www.hytherion.com/tcj/>, a mostly-CP/M journal, MicroCornucopia (a really neat journal), or The Perl Journal, keep in mind, first, that these are all defunct. Remember also that they were all quite expensive because they had minimal advertising. I am unconvinced that this can "work," commercially, now, because it is so much easier to do Internet-based publishing that does not need to have geographic ties. -- wm(X,Y):-write(X),write('@'),write(Y). wm('cbbrowne','cbbrowne.com'). http://cbbrowne.com/info/lsf.html Rules of the Evil Overlord #187. "I will not hold lavish banquets in the middle of a famine. The good PR among the guests doesn't make up for the bad PR among the masses." <http://www.eviloverlord.com/> -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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central mail
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 11 Dec '03

11 Dec '03

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Fraser Campbell wrote: > I've worked for quite a few ISPs and "leave mail on server" is basically a > recipe for disaster on both client and server. > The pop protocol is brain-dead simple so I've always assumed that the > problems were on the Outlook side, you're probably right that it might > be ok with a sane email client. I trust your judgement and I appreciate very much that you are sharing this with us. I have never used Outhouse (or allesschluck as I like to call it - means swallow everything) with this combination. > Still pop3 only offers a single folder (inbox), imap is a vastly better > solution for someone wishing to share their email between multiple clients. > You can have all of your email folders including Sent and Draft folders > available in all clients (even web clients) by using imap, I've never heard > of functionality close to that no-matter what ugly hacks people make with > pop. I didn't hack it it just happens to work for me ! ;-) You are right, imap is more powerful, but many (many many many) people do not want/need imap's features. > P.S. postfix doesn't include a pop server. You are right, I'm using pop3d from the pop/fetchmail package. I also have imap etc but since it all works so well for me I never saw a reason to set it up. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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YYZTechA new computer newspaper for Toronto?
by tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 11 Dec '03

11 Dec '03

I'd be interested in contributing to the project. Java related articles and possibly perl as well as newbie FAQs. Coverage of the TLUG meetings? Sing my up! Martin Duclos tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ----Original Message Follows---- From: William Park <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: YYZTechA new computer newspaper for Toronto? Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:37:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from lethe.ss.org ([206.108.5.1]) by mc5-f4.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:38:15 -0800 Received: by lethe.ss.org (Postfix)id E0A8E6D4B0; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by lethe.ss.org (Postfix, from userid 54)id 9942F6D4AE; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:37:55 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFXbUPCWu8wmXTvDN8yKrR8 Delivered-To: tlug-route-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org X-Original-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Delivered-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Message-ID: <20031210063755.GA333-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ at public.gmane.org> Mail-Followup-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org References: <017d01c3bebc$8a46ca10$ba0ce540-9Ju/zT+hGic at public.gmane.org> In-Reply-To: <017d01c3bebc$8a46ca10$ba0ce540-9Ju/zT+hGic at public.gmane.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Precedence: list Return-Path: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2003 06:38:15.0833 (UTC) FILETIME=[30E24090:01C3BEE8] On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 07:25:47PM -0600, Zoltan wrote: > In the early 1990s there where a two free newspapers providing computing > information for the Toronto audience: Toronto Computes and The Computer > Paper. Since last September these two have been replaced by HUB Canada. > Unfortunately, HUB seems to be more about consumer electronics and the > latest Windows applications Probably, because revenue comes from ads. Newspapers and magazines are there to sell ads, with writing used as fillers. > than for someone looking for for an ISP with > good tech support or where to meet Linux-heads in Toronto. > > To this end I'd like to see who would be interested in a new computer paper > for the Toronto area. This would be a free and have a pro-Linux/OpenSource Despite hype, there is nothing to "sell" on Linux or Open Source area. Well, so far, at least. > -Is this something that is needed? I think one is enough for GTA computer stores. > -What would you like to see / not see in a computer newspaper More sale items. > -Would you be interested in writing or helping out? For print newspaper or magazine, yes. For online, no. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms… -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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central mail
by fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 11 Dec '03

11 Dec '03

On December 11, 2003 03:11 pm, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > fwiw it works here between SO, Nestcape, pine and a windoze email client > > (I forget which, I think Eudora) just perfectly. The server is local (on > > my network). > > Oh, and Kmail, and TkMail and a couple of others. It's a question of > having the right popper (pop3 server). I use the one tht comes with > postfix. I've worked for quite a few ISPs and "leave mail on server" is basically a recipe for disaster on both client and server. The pop protocol is brain-dead simple so I've always assumed that the problems were on the Outlook side, you're probably right that it might be ok with a sane email client. Still pop3 only offers a single folder (inbox), imap is a vastly better solution for someone wishing to share their email between multiple clients. You can have all of your email folders including Sent and Draft folders available in all clients (even web clients) by using imap, I've never heard of functionality close to that no-matter what ugly hacks people make with pop. P.S. postfix doesn't include a pop server. -- Fraser Campbell <fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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GTK 1.2 and GTK 2 Fonts
by aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y＠public.gmane.org 11 Dec '03

11 Dec '03

On 12/11/2003 04:51:19 PM, JoeHill wrote: > I found that in /etc/gtk/ there are a bunch of config files that I > could "play" with (verrrrry carefully), but I need that old app > xfontsel to get the proper name to use. I cannot seem to find a > Mandrake package for XFree86-tools, though, which apparently provides > xfontsel. > > Know where I might find that? X11R6-contrib probably. Austin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Open-source software gets boost at UN
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 11 Dec '03

11 Dec '03

Fred Nastos wrote: >>participants, but the free software did get a mention as an important >>option for developing countries to consider. >> ... > > > Great. I can hear it now, "Opensource software? Isn't that third-world > software? Like they use in developing countries." Where all the developers live? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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GTK 1.2 and GTK 2 Fonts
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 11 Dec '03

11 Dec '03

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:56:02 -0500 Austin <aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Is there any way anyone's aware of to make them all consistent, or > > are GTK 1.2 apps simply not able to use AA fonts? > > I'm 90% sure that that is the case. I found that in /etc/gtk/ there are a bunch of config files that I could "play" with (verrrrry carefully), but I need that old app xfontsel to get the proper name to use. I cannot seem to find a Mandrake package for XFree86-tools, though, which apparently provides xfontsel. Know where I might find that? -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."-- John Kenneth Galbraith -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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GTK 1.2 and GTK 2 Fonts
by aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y＠public.gmane.org 11 Dec '03

11 Dec '03

On 12/11/2003 03:53:01 PM, JoeHill wrote: > Is there any way anyone's aware of to make them all consistent, or > are GTK 1.2 apps simply not able to use AA fonts? I'm 90% sure that that is the case. Austin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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GTK 1.2 and GTK 2 Fonts
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 11 Dec '03

11 Dec '03

I used to be dead set against this whole AA fonts issue, but now that I've discovered Verdana, I think it looks pretty cool, definitely better than the jagged and enemic fonts I had before when I was running MDK 9.1 (had them disabled). Only problem is, although all GTK2 apps use the AA Verdana, all GTK 1.2 apps (well, all 2 of them: GCombust and J-Pilot) still use ol' Helvetica. Is there any way anyone's aware of to make them all consistent, or are GTK 1.2 apps simply not able to use AA fonts? I am running XFCE4 with Pekwm as my WM, and XFCE4 allows me to set the application fonts. I have tried editing my .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 config file thusly: style "user-font" { font="Verdana 10" } but to no avail. Thanks! -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "I have the South in front of me and the bankers behind me -- and for my country, I fear the bankers most."-- Abraham Lincoln -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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