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OT: keyboard layouts
by jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg＠public.gmane.org 12 Dec '03

12 Dec '03

> > Isn't Dvorak supposed to speed up typing? I think that the true benefit of Dvorak is added comfort. As someone else mentioned before, Qwerty sets keys far apart to prevent adjacent jamming, which seems to also increase typing speed. I find that the effect of Dvorak is that it "load balances" the often used keys and reduces the number of "long jumps" your finger has to do (ie index finger travelling long distances to hit commonly used combos, like 'ny') -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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OT: keyboard layouts
by henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg＠public.gmane.org 12 Dec '03

12 Dec '03

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, JoeHill wrote: > > I can type about 10WPM on a Dvorak layout (vs >70 on a qwerty), so I > > haven't exactly switched over myself... > > Isn't Dvorak supposed to speed up typing? It is *supposed* to, but no systematic test conducted by an unbiased experimenter has ever found more than a 5-10% improvement. (And you can get that sort of improvement with a Qwerty layout just by remapping the Return/Enter key to something you can hit without moving your hand off the home position.) All the claims of spectacular improvements seem to derive from trials run by Dvorak himself. Nobody has ever been able to reproduce those results. Beware of placebo effect. *Expecting* that typing on a Dvorak layout will feel better has a strong tendency to *make* it feel better. > I mean as opposed to qwerty, which was > originally intended to make typing slower, preventing fast typists from > outpacing the old typewriters. Nope, this is a myth. The early typewriters did have problems with jamming with fast typists, yes, but only if *adjacent keys* were hit in fast succession. The Qwerty layout was designed to put frequently-used keys far apart, to reduce jamming at high speed. It turns out that this actually *speeds up* typists, because it increases the probability that successive keys will alternate between hands. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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keyboard layouts
by fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 12 Dec '03

12 Dec '03

On Friday 12 December 2003 11:30, Lloyd Budd wrote: > > keyboard sits in a tray with a nice soft wrist support in front of it. > > Not wrist supports, wrist rests. I believe it is not advised to use it > while typing. Whatever they may be called they help a lot. About 8 years ago I had a lump on the back of my left hand about 1/2 inch high, my right hand was painful as well. It was so bad that I was reduced to typing in a hunt-and-peck style using only my right index finger (using totally vertical keypress). I forced myself to type in that style for a few weeks, got a wrist rest and haven't had major problems since ... of course the pain comes back a bit whenever I go into prolonged periods of typing. -- Fraser Campbell <fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> http://www.wehave.net/ Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SPAM dissemination (was Exim problem)
by alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/＠public.gmane.org 12 Dec '03

12 Dec '03

Problem solved. Recently I found that my server was being used to disseminate SPAM. I suspected my exim mail server was being used somehow as as open relay. >From mail server: telnet relay-test.mail-abuse.org 25 The results of more than a dozen tests appear in your telnet session. In my case, the results suggested that my server was not an open relay. A suggestion was made that my system had been hacked and that I should try tcpdump'ing on the firewall when the incursion was occurring, but something else looking suspicious. Exim's logs said these emails were originating from inside my server and that the user was "apache". hmmm... "apache" is the user that runs the apache web server... I examined both the time-stamped mail server logs and apache access logs focusing on the time of one of the email batches. At precisely that time, I saw a record in the apache access log that said a particular cgi program was accessed. The culprit -- that cgi program -- was found. Used "normally", that cgi program was harmless, however it was exploitable -- and it was being exploited. -- -------------------------------------- Please do not respond in HTML Alan Cohen alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/(a)public.gmane.org voice: 416-783-9826 fax: 240-269-7457 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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keyboard layouts
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 12 Dec '03

12 Dec '03

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:30:23 -0500 Lloyd Budd <lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org> wrote: > Not wrist supports, wrist rests. I believe it is not advised to use it > while typing. Rest, support, whatever. All I know is, I use one and I've never had one whit of strain, ache, or pain. -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "The free communication of ideas and opinions is one of the most precious of the rights of man."-- Declaration of the Rights of Man -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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OT: keyboard layouts
by fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 12 Dec '03

12 Dec '03

On Friday 12 December 2003 11:20, Taavi Burns wrote: > > Ahh, do I want the chair mounted evolution keyboard with built in > > touchpad, or do I want the Professional Contoured Keyboard with foot > > pedal, on the fly qwerty->dvorak switching, hmmm ... now do I want > > to spent over 200 USD on a keyboard :-) > > Aye, that's the trick. :) Does anyone know of a store in the Toronto area that carries Kinesis or similar high-end keyboards? I'd really like to try-before-I-buy, $300+ for an unseen keyboard is a little much. -- Fraser Campbell <fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> http://www.wehave.net/ Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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keyboard layouts
by lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ＠public.gmane.org 12 Dec '03

12 Dec '03

On 12-Dec-03, at 10:27, JoeHill wrote: > keyboard sits in a tray with a nice soft wrist support in front of it. Not wrist supports, wrist rests. I believe it is not advised to use it while typing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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OT: keyboard layouts
by taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ＠public.gmane.org 12 Dec '03

12 Dec '03

On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 10:59:02AM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote: > Are you suggesting I buy a regular split keyboard but tell the system that > it's dvorak? Glyphs on the keyboard are rather useful when you're still > learning the layout. While learning the layout myself, I printed out a diagram of a keyboard (colour coded for which keys are to be hit by which fingers) and put it under the monitor. You shouldn't ever be looking at the keyboard while typing. That's what the nubs on f and j and 5 (or d and k on mac keyboards) are for. :) > > http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/keyboards.htm > > http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/us_versions.htm > > Ahh, do I want the chair mounted evolution keyboard with built in > touchpad, or do I want the Professional Contoured Keyboard with foot > pedal, on the fly qwerty->dvorak switching, hmmm ... now do I want > to spent over 200 USD on a keyboard :-) Aye, that's the trick. :) -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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OT: keyboard layouts
by fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 12 Dec '03

12 Dec '03

On Friday 12 December 2003 10:31, Oliver Meyn wrote: > Trying not to support M$ whenever possible I bought the logitech version > and have been quite happy with it Good to know, I'd only ever seen the Microsoft versions. -- Fraser Campbell <fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> http://www.wehave.net/ Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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OT: keyboard layouts
by fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 12 Dec '03

12 Dec '03

On Friday 12 December 2003 10:21, Taavi Burns wrote: > > I'd like to get myself a new keyboard for Christmas. I'm considering the > > split keyboard (Microsoft Natural IIRC) or a dvorak layout. > > And these two are mutually exclusive how? :) > > You can easily use both. If you're interested in alternative layouts > for the keyboard, you should be quite prepared to NOT be looking at the > keys anyway, so the glyphs on them shouldn't matter. Are you suggesting I buy a regular split keyboard but tell the system that it's dvorak? Glyphs on the keyboard are rather useful when you're still learning the layout. > I have a few coworkers who use keybaords from Kinesis. I believe that > one of them uses it with a Dvorak, while the other still uses qwerty. > Kinesis offers a selection of keyboards ranging from nearly > traditional to "pretty far out and pricey". So again, it depends how > much you want to spend. > > http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/keyboards.htm > http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/us_versions.htm Ahh, do I want the chair mounted evolution keyboard with built in touchpad, or do I want the Professional Contoured Keyboard with foot pedal, on the fly qwerty->dvorak switching, hmmm ... now do I want to spent over 200 USD on a keyboard :-) -- Fraser Campbell <fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> http://www.wehave.net/ Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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