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M$ to license FAT
by jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:50:47 -0500 Taavi Burns <taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 10:42:21PM -0500, cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > What is VERY interesting is that none of the patents in question > > have to do with the filesystem. They ALL have to do with the way > > DOS 6 started > > DOS provided long filename support? Not that I remember. > It all started with Windows 95. > I thought Win95 was Dos 7 with the GUI tied into it. SCO then Caldera proved the M$ mucked with the GUI so that DRDOS wouldn't work. Caldera made an out of court settlement and then announced an IPO shortly afterwards. They chose guaranteed money over providing a possible stake to the heart for M$. I think this was the beginning of the present day SCO and M$ relationship. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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quiet PC
by fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

On Tuesday 09 December 2003 10:09, Ladislav Svatos wrote: > > What CPU and is the Heat Sink and FAN supplied by the manufacturere (AMD > > or Intel)? > > > > Madison > > I have an AMD processor and the noise is not that bad. The motherboard is > an old Asus A7V. The motherboard supports fan speed control, but it never > actually worked. Asus probably got it working in later versions of the MB. > I would like to know what are the thermal solutions for new CPUs having to > dissipate 100W of heat. I built a system for my mother using the ASUS A7V board the thing is dead-quiet. My mum turns off the monitor when she's not using it and I've often made the mistake of turning off the computer (thinking I was turning it on). The secret is the Antec case, despite dual-fan power supply + CPU fan + GPU fan + 2 case fans + 2 hard drives it is virtually silent. Not all Antec cases are so quiet though, I bought one for myself later without paying too much attention to the model and despite being quieter and cooler than the POS I was using before it's nowhere near as quiet as my mothers (her's may be an SX1135 but don't quote me on it). -- Fraser Campbell <fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> http://www.wehave.net/ Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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quiet PC
by linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

Increased contact pressure between the CPU die and the heat sink, thermal conductive tape or paste and larger, more effective heat sinks. Couple to this a 60mm or 80mm thermally variale fan and you have the average solution today. Madison Ladislav Svatos wrote: > On December 9, 2003 09:00 am, Madison Kelly wrote: > >>What CPU and is the Heat Sink and FAN supplied by the manufacturere (AMD >>or Intel)? >> >>Madison >> >> > > I have an AMD processor and the noise is not that bad. The motherboard is an > old Asus A7V. The motherboard supports fan speed control, but it never > actually worked. Asus probably got it working in later versions of the MB. > I would like to know what are the thermal solutions for new CPUs having to > dissipate 100W of heat. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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quiet PC
by linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

That is certainly not true!! Yes, the power supply plans for sufficient airflow to cool the average chassi but it certainly is not a good idea to run with no cooling at all. Those voltage regulators get very hot and simple convection of the heat to a static air environment will simply not suffice. Madison Wil McGilvery wrote: > If noise is an issue, and if you have an extra pc, why not use terminal services and set up a dumb terminal in the area where noise is a problem. > > Someone correct me if I am wrong, but if you boot from a floppy and leave the cover off, you don't really need the fan on the power supply. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Reply To address messes with tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org
by fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

On Tuesday 09 December 2003 07:32, Chris Aitken wrote: > THis is all making sense about 70%. But when I post to the list now, I get > replied to the list, not me. So, why, if I change the Reply To address will > the sender at the other end now send to me not the list? I'm not sure what trouble you're having so let's just talk about reply-to ... There are (at least) two styles of mailing lists: - some lists add a Reply-to: header to their outgoing emails so that all replies will default to the list - some don't TLUG is the first style of list. It adds a "Reply-to: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org" header. If you're adding a "Reply-to: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org" header to your TLUG emails then too bad, it's being stripped off ;-) Personally I much prefer lists that do not force the reply-to header. If I wish to reply to the list I simply say "reply to list" (L in many MUAs). If I wish to reply to the sender I just do the regular reply. Lists that force reply-to muck with the standard behaviour, if you want to reply privately you usually have to do a reply-all, then cut out the addresses that you don't want. -- Fraser Campbell <fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> http://www.wehave.net/ Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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central mail
by robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Chris Aitken wrote: > James Knott wrote: > > > Fetchmail can be used to collect the mail from a POP server. > > So, the pop server would be pop3.onlink.net as per usual? > > But the mail clients would be Fetchmail? Hi Chris. Fetchmail is a pop3 client (actually it does other protocols as well). It will pull your mail from your ISP (or whereever) and send it to a local MTA (mail trasport agent like Sendmail or Postfix) ... The MTA runs on the box you want to hold your mail on (your mail server) and is fed by fetchmail. Popclient (fetchmail's predecessor) didn't send mail to an MTA but instead write it directly into people's mailboxes. This was far less flexible. Your mail server can hand mail out to your other machines in a variety of ways, but IMAP would seem to be most suitable for your needs (as others have noted). If you are stating to play with mail there are a few terms it is worth knowing (in addition to MTA above): MDA: Mail Delivery Agent. A utility designed to delivery mail locally. There are lots of these. In recent years I've been using procmail as an MDA for Sendmail. MUA: Mail User Agent. Sometimes called a Mail Client but MUA is the better term. This is the thing the user interacts with to read mail. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, zzbrock at uqconnect.net Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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quiet PC
by lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

On December 9, 2003 09:00 am, Madison Kelly wrote: > What CPU and is the Heat Sink and FAN supplied by the manufacturere (AMD > or Intel)? > > Madison > > I have an AMD processor and the noise is not that bad. The motherboard is an old Asus A7V. The motherboard supports fan speed control, but it never actually worked. Asus probably got it working in later versions of the MB. I would like to know what are the thermal solutions for new CPUs having to dissipate 100W of heat. Lada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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quiet PC
by wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

If noise is an issue, and if you have an extra pc, why not use terminal services and set up a dumb terminal in the area where noise is a problem. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but if you boot from a floppy and leave the cover off, you don't really need the fan on the power supply. Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: Chris Aitken [mailto:aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 8:39 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: quiet PC Ladislav Svatos wrote: > On December 8, 2003 10:22 pm, Madison Kelly wrote: > > Hi, > > > > May I make a few suggestions? > > ......... > > Madison > > > The most noisiest fan on my computer is the CPU fan. What do you recommend for > a CPU fan? I think that's the culprit on mine as well. I took the drive bay out this morning and it's quieter but not quiet enough. I think the fan is just dying. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Reply To address messes with tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org
by lists-tZhE6lH4Esk+k03BA+Hq9g＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

Hi All, On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 07:32, Chris Aitken wrote: > OK - maybe I'll have to switch to Mozilla from Netscape so I can use profiles - > then I'll have one profile for sending/receiving from/to my business, and another > for > tlug. If you're going to make the move to another mail client may I suggest Evolution for just this sort of thing. If you can spare a separate email address for just receiving list mail then evolution has a very slick way of letting you switch between accounts for sending. Cheers, Oliver -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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quiet PC
by IlyaPalagin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

Ladislav Svatos wrote: > On December 8, 2003 10:22 pm, Madison Kelly wrote: > >>Hi, >> >> May I make a few suggestions? >> ......... >>Madison >> > > The most noisiest fan on my computer is the CPU fan. What do you recommend for > a CPU fan? > > Lada I've seen computers (can't remember the brand, either IBM or Compaq), which had just one fan - in the power supply. There was a huge heat sink on the CPU, and it was located in the front of the power supply to be blown out by its fan. That machine was _quite_. Unfortunately, this solution requires non-standard case for computer and power supply. A useful recommendation for a CPU's and other fans: have a motherboard, which tunes rotating speed depending on temperature. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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