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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

Peter L. Peres wrote: >>RealNetwork is like after-market car radio company that is suing GM >>because GM has the arrogance to put radio in all GM cars, thereby >>shutting out after-market radio companies. > > > You mean, if someone invents something and someone else grabs the idea and > uses it with slight changes, just enough to avoid a patent suit, and makes > millions out of it by leveraging its monopoly position, it's ok, right ? Anyone remember Stacker? It's a perfect example of the above. They developed disk compression software. MS stole the technology and included it in Windows. Stacker won in court, but by then the damage had been done. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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VPN question
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

Justin Zygmont wrote: > Just a thought about VPN's and a hope to get back on topic to fun linux > things, I was wondering if anyone knows why an encrypted VPN is so > important using a phone line when it's usually just a point to point link > with no chance of interception? Why do you think a phone line has no chance of interception? Phone lines have been tapped for years. It is very easy to do, if you know how. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Waaaay offtopic
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

In all those cases, someone made observations that better explained the world & universe around us. Then the next person refined those ideas etc. In each case, the model was improved, bringing us closer to the facts. They may never be proven, but this method is a lot better than someone proclaiming the world to be the center of the universe. Science, including medicine works by constantly trying to improve knowledge. Tom Legrady wrote: > Actually, the reverse is the basis of science, ironically. > > You can't prove Newton's Theory of Gravity, but given Einstein's Theory > of Relativity, you can disprove Newton's theory .... or, more precisely, > you can prove that Newton's theory is a reasonably approximation, but > only until you consider certain situations. And Einstein's theories are > disproven by the the Uncertainty Principle, and by String Theory .... > which are refinements of Einstein. But it's impossible ( so far ) to > prove any of these. Maybe String Theory will be proven, and then we'll > know everything. > > What does this have to do with Perl, kernels, or memory mapping? > > JoeHill wrote: > >> On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:40:29 -0500 >> James Knott <james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org> wrote: >> >> >> >>> If someone has a claim, the onus is on them to prove their claims, >>> not on >>> someone else to prove them wrong. >>> >> >> >> ...actually, IIRC it isn't even logically possible to prove a >> negative. Been >> awhile since Formal Logic 101 for me, and many many, er, "memory-loss >> inducers". >> >> >> > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, William Park wrote: > On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 05:29:24AM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > > > - inability to generate revenue from actual sales. > > > > ...because some company convicted of being an illegal monopoly is > > pulling the rug out from under you. > > This is the case of loser blaming the winner for winning. Real was > trying to win over Microsoft, no? The idea that there need not be winners and looser but that the competition itself is the goal seems to elude you. If the final goal is for all major market share holding companies to win out over all their competitors then there will be 5 kolchozes producing all consumer goods you will ever need, decide what is best for you, and not care a s**t what you really want or need. This has been done before on a grand scale in countries formerly known as 'communist'. Of course you don't want that ? Also it would completely obliterate what is known today as the stock market (which mostly makes its living out of handling bets on who is going to be 1% stronger (or weaker) that someone else now or within a certain given timeframe). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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C programming question
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Jim Skehill wrote: > If you are programming in C you can go down to the assembler level and issue > a BIOS interrupt (sorry I don't recall the number) to write to a particular > disk location. > DOS interrupt 25H allows you to write to a particular disk sector, but > seeing that this is the TLUG Mailing list, I don't imagine that's of much > help to you. Except you can't do that in linux since the bios is not functioning while in linux. There are equivalent functions in the kernel, not available from user space. In theory you can acheieve the same effect by using the raw device (e.g. /dev/hda) and use (f)seek & co. to acceess a physical sector (which you get to compute using the disk geometry). You have to be root to do this and the potential for problems is enormous. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

> RealNetwork is like after-market car radio company that is suing GM > because GM has the arrogance to put radio in all GM cars, thereby > shutting out after-market radio companies. You mean, if someone invents something and someone else grabs the idea and uses it with slight changes, just enough to avoid a patent suit, and makes millions out of it by leveraging its monopoly position, it's ok, right ? If M$ had invented the idea they could have monopolized it until forever and nobody would have minded. But they did not. Notice that no-one is suing them over the Word .doc format or .xls or anything like that. Wonder why ? Because it's theirs. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

> Cry babies... RealNetworks lost out in competition. What competition ? Oh, you mean when M$ bundled mediaplayer for free with the os just like it did with the explorer and integrated it as much as possible ? I guess someone should correct the dictionary definition of 'competition' now that it's common usage sense has changed so much ... Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Waaaay offtopic
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, GDHough wrote: > Now where can I get that flu shot I heard about for my Windows PC? At a gunshop near you. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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VPN question
by henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Justin Zygmont wrote: > Just a thought about VPN's and a hope to get back on topic to fun linux > things, I was wondering if anyone knows why an encrypted VPN is so > important using a phone line when it's usually just a point to point link > with no chance of interception? "No chance of interception" is, unfortunately, putting it much too strongly. For one thing, it's a point-to-point link only if the phone company chooses to do it that way. They can easily cut a third party in on the link. They are known to do this for voice conversations, for quality monitoring and for emergency break-in (if it's a major emergency and you've just got to contact Fred and his phone line is constantly busy, an operator can break in on his conversation and tell him he's got an emergency call, if you can convince him/her that it's important enough). They probably don't for modem conversations, but it is possible. They certainly can do it for law-enforcement wiretaps of either. Moreover, with modern electronics it is trivial to tap a phone line undetectably (except for discovery of the tap by physical inspection). It doesn't have to be the police or the Feds doing it. It doesn't necessarily require access to your premises. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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VPN question
by jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

Just a thought about VPN's and a hope to get back on topic to fun linux things, I was wondering if anyone knows why an encrypted VPN is so important using a phone line when it's usually just a point to point link with no chance of interception? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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