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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 05:29:24AM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > > - inability to generate revenue from actual sales. > > ...because some company convicted of being an illegal monopoly is > pulling the rug out from under you. This is the case of loser blaming the winner for winning. Real was trying to win over Microsoft, no? -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Waaaay offtopic
by hughreilly1-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

>From: James Knott <james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org> >Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Waaaay offtopic >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:23:29 -0500 > >Hugh Reilly wrote: >>Has anyone out there heard of the "zapper", invented by Saskatchewan >>naturopathic doctor and celll biologist Hulda Clark? She claims that >>disease-causing bacteria and viruses in the body can be killed by >>low-level radio frequencies. The zapper delivers that frequency to the >>body, and has been claimed by some to actually cure AIDS. > >If that's all it takes, we're all going to be fine. We're constantly >bathed in RF from many sources. The above claim, indicates she's a fraud. No it doesn't. The science behind it is, of course, more complex than you could have known from my post. What I find interesting is that that didn't stop you from jumping to conclusions. >>I have been experimenting myself with the device, having built several >>over the past couple of years. And I have to say, with very positive >>results. And I am NOT getting a flu shot! > >How do you know you've had positive results? Did you run a full study, >with several participant, including a control group? If not, all you've >got is a delusion. I could claim that eating pizza & beer prevents >disease. After all, I've had lots of both and rarely get sick (only one >sick day in 21 years, with one employer). I don't need to employ the scientific method to prove something to myself. Neither do you, unless you don't trust yourself. If pizza and beer works for you, who am I to argue? >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -Hugh _______________________________________________ Hugh Reilly XEN Technology Group | LinuxLab 600 Bay Street, Suite 405 Toronto ON M5R 1G6 tel: 416-204-9951 fax: 416-204-9723 email: info-2K4XOyu7qTosA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org _______________________________________________ http://www.xen.ca | http://www.linuxlab.ca _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi… -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Waaaay offtopic
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 07:36:53PM -0500, Hugh Reilly wrote: > >> I have an African friend who thinks that the AIDS virus was > >> introduced there through mass vaccination programs. > > >That idea was taken seriously enough to be investigated at some > >length, but the evidence is strongly and clearly against it. > > Easy to say, but where is this "evidence". Did you read about it or > watch it on TV? I don't think the vaccine is the immediate culprit. Perhaps, using same needle over and over again may be more relevant. But, yes, there are fundamental issues about vaccination. Humans, bacteria, virus, and other parasitic organisms have been around for long time, and things settle into equilibrium over time. There are academic question about whether over-vaccinating disturbs that equilibrium. In particular, researchers are now thinking aloud that childhood diseases (which we have targeted through vaccination) may be necessary factor in the proper development of human body, and that vaccination only creates other immune related problems. There were some study into whether vaccination and over-use of estrogenic compounds (I think they were talking about shampoos) are related to the general decline in male virility. I'm not into biology, so I don't where it went. Even so, I don't think cosmetic companies are to blame. :-) > > >> Makes me seriously wonder why so much ENORMOUS hype has gone into > >> Ontario's flushot program. > > > >Because vaccinating people is a lot cheaper than looking after the > >bad cases in hospitals. > > Yes, the best propaganda always sound plausible, doesn't it? Of course, people runs company to make money. Vaccine company makes and sells vaccine. Milk company sells milk, and will say it's good for you. Even though the only people who are losing bone calcium are those who drink milk like water, they will defend their livelihood. Did you expect something else, Hugh? -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Wiring for data in houses
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 05:45:30PM -0500, Mike Kallies wrote: > Hello everyone, > > This is only loosely related to Linux, but it is certainly related to > home networking in Ontario. > > I'm looking for some of the "offical" information about how to wire data > wiring in houses legally. I know, every guide says use plenum-rated > wire, and I know there are tricks to prevent interference etc. But what > I really want is just the authoritative information about what the > requirements are in Ontario. Is it really that simple? I'd hate to > wire it up only to have somebody need to rip it out in the future as a > fire hazard. Doesn't the regular phone cable and regular ethernet cable already meet residential code? If they're substandard, then aweful lot of houses have to be renovated. :-) -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Waaaay offtopic
by hughreilly1-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

>From: Henry Spencer <henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org> >Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Waaaay offtopic >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:42:08 -0500 (EST) > >On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Hugh Reilly wrote: > > I have an African friend who thinks that the AIDS virus was introduced >there > > through mass vaccination programs. > >That idea was taken seriously enough to be investigated at some length, >but the evidence is strongly and clearly against it. Easy to say, but where is this "evidence". Did you read about it or watch it on TV? > > Makes me seriously wonder why so much > > ENORMOUS hype has gone into Ontario's flushot program. > >Because vaccinating people is a lot cheaper than looking after the bad >cases in hospitals. Yes, the best propaganda always sound plausible, doesn't it? > > > ...The zapper delivers that frequency to the body, and has > > been claimed by some to actually cure AIDS. >*Lots* of things have been claimed by some to cure AIDS. What is lacking, >in all cases, is clear proof. What do you call proof? What passes for "official" history, doctrine, or policy these days is far too influenced by spin doctors acting on behalf of financial interests. Facts that don't help someone's bottom line are too often ignored. You want proof? Prove it to yourself. Call me and I'll set you up with a zapper. -Hugh _______________________________________________ Hugh Reilly XEN Technology Group | LinuxLab 600 Bay Street, Suite 405 Toronto ON M5R 1G6 tel: 416-204-9951 fax: 416-204-9723 email: info-2K4XOyu7qTosA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org _______________________________________________ http://www.xen.ca | http://www.linuxlab.ca _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/features&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin… -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Cogeco.ca blocking incoming port 25 smtp
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 09:23:39AM -0500, pegasoft-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > Hi All, > > Has anyone else notice if cogeco has begun blocking incoming port 25? > I can send email from my mail server but I'm not receiving anything > for the last two days... > > Thanks, They blocked dynamic IP when I tried to send to <cogeco.ca>. So, I relayed through my ISP. Since I haven't received any reject message, I assume it's in queue somewhere. Hmm, $ telnet cogeco.ca 25 554 5.7.1 zues2.cgocable.net Connection not authorized $ telnet zues2.cgocable.net 25 220 zues2.cgocable.net ESMTP service $ host -t mx cogeco.ca cogeco.ca mail is handled by 0 MX.cogeco.ca. Someone goofed. Tell them to fix typo in their DNS zonefile. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Redhat or generic kernel? and DevFS
by anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

Hello everyone, Now that Kernel 2.6 is out, and there winter break is here, I am planning on compiling myself a new kernel. I have tried the 2.6 test kernels before, and have compiled other kernels, so I am comfortable with the compiling (mind you, 2.6 makes compiling so much easier). I have one question: should I use the generic kernels from kernel.org, or the unofficial Redhat kernel source packages. I find the Redhat packages work with slightly fewer bugs (and dependancies are sorted out with apt-get very nicely), so is there any reason to use the generic kernels? Also, I want to switch to DevFS. I have tried using DevFS under the 2.6 test kernels, but I had many problems with the format of the /etc/modprobe.conf file and such (had to get the new modutils and all). Is there any guide for DevFS written for 2.6? Thanks. Anton Markov -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Waaaay offtopic
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

Hugh Reilly wrote: > Has anyone out there heard of the "zapper", invented by Saskatchewan > naturopathic doctor and celll biologist Hulda Clark? She claims that > disease-causing bacteria and viruses in the body can be killed by > low-level radio frequencies. The zapper delivers that frequency to the > body, and has been claimed by some to actually cure AIDS. If that's all it takes, we're all going to be fine. We're constantly bathed in RF from many sources. The above claim, indicates she's a fraud. > > I have been experimenting myself with the device, having built several > over the past couple of years. And I have to say, with very positive > results. And I am NOT getting a flu shot! How do you know you've had positive results? Did you run a full study, with several participant, including a control group? If not, all you've got is a delusion. I could claim that eating pizza & beer prevents disease. After all, I've had lots of both and rarely get sick (only one sick day in 21 years, with one employer). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Waaaay offtopic
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

Hugh Reilly wrote: >>> Maybe next year, you'll get a flu shot. >> >> >> I know a lot of people who did who got sick anyway. This years strain >> seemed to have been missed. I can see you have been taken by the >> christmas spirit! > > > I have an African friend who thinks that the AIDS virus was introduced > there through mass vaccination programs. Makes me seriously wonder why > so much ENORMOUS hype has gone into Ontario's flushot program. Why would he know about the cause of it? As for vaccines, ask anyone who was around prior to WW2, about all the diseases that killed friends and family, that we never hear about now, thanks to vaccines. I'm not saying they're without risk, but they're generally much better than the consequences of not having them. > > Has anyone out there heard of the "zapper", invented by Saskatchewan > naturopathic doctor and celll biologist Hulda Clark? She claims that > disease-causing bacteria and viruses in the body can be killed by > low-level radio frequencies. The zapper delivers that frequency to the > body, and has been claimed by some to actually cure AIDS. One person I'd never believe is a naturopathic "doctor". Naturopathy is based on a bogus belief that a tiny amount of something that causes the same symptoms as a disease will cure or prevent it. The problem is, that the doses generally prescribed are physically impossible. For example a common dilution of the "medicine" is 10X or divided with water or alcohol 10:1, 10 times. The problem with this amount of dilution, is that the number of molecules gets in the way. In order to consume one molecule of the substance, you'd have to drink several thousand gallons of water. They also have another dilution of 100C, which is 100:1 100 times, which is even more impossible. You might want to read "Voodoo Science" by Dr. Robert Park or "A Demon Haunted World", by Carl Sagan for further info. > > I have been experimenting myself with the device, having built several > over the past couple of years. And I have to say, with very positive > results. And I am NOT getting a flu shot! > > > > -Hugh > _______________________________________________ > Hugh Reilly > XEN Technology Group | LinuxLab > 600 Bay Street, Suite 405 > Toronto ON M5R 1G6 > tel: 416-204-9951 > fax: 416-204-9723 > email: info-2K4XOyu7qTosA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > _______________________________________________ > http://www.xen.ca | http://www.linuxlab.ca > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms… > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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C programming question
by skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

On December 19, 2003 05:28 pm, John Wildberger wrote: > On December 19, 2003 05:14 pm, Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: > > > My main aim is to understand the workings of the kernel a little bit > > > better. For this reason I would like to verify what is stored in the > > > first few hundred memory locations. e.g in x202 the signature HdrS is > > > supposed to be stored. > > > > 1. First of all, what kind of operation system you are talking about? > > Linux, *BSD, Windoh$ ? > > Linux Mdk9.1 > > > 2. What memory you want to reach: kernel space or userland space or even > > physical memory? > > Physical memory > > > 3. Do you have root access to that machine? > > Yes, and I don't mind screwing it up. :-( > In this case you can't reach the physical memory. Intel processors ( and other CPU as well ) protects the access to the real physical memory. Only kernel have access to it. You can do it only thru the kernel space as a driver module, or thru the /proc/kcore, but this is file in format of core file, you should know how to handle and read it. you can do the next stuff: gdb /boot/<current started vmlinux file> /proc/kcore and then you can see what in the memory (type 'help' in command prompt of gdb ). If you want to know how the kernel works, can read Linux Device Drivers by Alessandro Rubini ( http://www.xml.com/ldd/chapter/book/bookindexpdf.html ) and site named kernel newbies dot org ( http://www.kernelnewbies.org/ )/ > > 4. What kind of memory structures you have a desire to reach? > > Not sure of this question, but would like to read first few hundred bytes > of my RAM. > What the reason to do such stuff? If you want to know how the Linux works - see the /usr/src/linux sub-directory. =) -- All the Best! ----------------- Sergey Kuznetsov Senior Software Developer Blueprint Initiative Samuel Lunenfeld Research Institute at Mount Sinai Hospital -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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