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DVD Burning and Viewing
by jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, John Myshrall wrote: > In regards to burning. I know K3B is pretty good as is CDrecord from the > command line. Any other suggestions ? I use growisofs from dvd+rw-tools (which I think may be just an offshoot of cdrecord) for burning DVDs, mostly because cdrecord is not very friendly to DVD+R drives. So long as I remember to use the -dvd-compat flag, it has given me no problems. JV -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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shared library linking
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

Back to linux: I have a set of object files resulting from compiling a project and I want to make them into a shared library. But I can't. It only works if I link against ld-linux.so.1 which links to libc.so.5. It's as follows: gcc -shared -o foo.so foo.o /lib/ld-linux.so.1: ok, also links to libc.so.5 gcc -shared -o foo.so foo.o /lib/ld-linux.so.2: ng, ldd complains gcc -shared -o foo.so foo.o /lib/ld-linux.so.1 /lib/ld-linux.so.2: ok, ldd complains about possible conflict libc.so.5<->libc.so.6, linked against both libc.so.5 and libc.so.6 (which has precendence?) All other current system libs (like libc etc) are linked against ld-linux.so.2 What could cause this strangeness ? I suspect that my compiler setup is somehow wrong. Any input would be much appreciated. thanks, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

William Park wrote: > On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 12:56:41PM -0500, billt-l+PWtdWbHAuXFJAUJl40Xg at public.gmane.org wrote: > >>If this is the same case I remember, GM was taken to court by a >>conglomerate of after market radio manufacturers because they changed >>the electrical connectors it used for the radio to a non-standard >>connector that could only be purchased from GM. >> >>The ruling was that GM was using its control of the design and >>manufacture of the cars in a monopolistic way. > > > Maybe there were some other factors, like agreement between GM and > supplier for standardization but GM changed its design unilaterally. GM > changes car shape, design, parts, etc. And, I don't think GM has to get > after-market companies' approval everytime. > Well, whatever the details, the courts appear to have disagreed with you and I suspect they had more info available on this, than either of us have. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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VPN question
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

Justin Zygmont wrote: > On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, James Knott wrote: > > >>Justin Zygmont wrote: >> >>>Just a thought about VPN's and a hope to get back on topic to fun linux >>>things, I was wondering if anyone knows why an encrypted VPN is so >>>important using a phone line when it's usually just a point to point link >>>with no chance of interception? >> >>Why do you think a phone line has no chance of interception? Phone >>lines have been tapped for years. It is very easy to do, if you know how. > > > to intercept data transmission? I don't think so. I never heard of that > happening. > > You may not have heard of it happening, but it's easy to do. When you get a phone line, it goes to the central office, where there is plenty of equipment to monitor the connection. It isn't terribly difficult to plug in the appropriate equipment to monitor whatever is carried on the circuit. Also, in many homes there are line protectors mounted just outside the point where the cable enters the building. On the underside of many of those, is a pair of screw terminals, where someone could easily connect for tapping into your line. As far as getting the data, it was very easy in the days of 1200 bps and slower modems, but it's still not that difficult to do. For example, the source code for the Linux drivers for many "Winmodems" is available for download. It wouldn't be too hard for a competent programmer, to turn that modem into a monitor capable of intercepting V.92 modems etc. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, billt-l+PWtdWbHAuXFJAUJl40Xg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > ATT won 28 anti-trust law suits, and lost only one. > Standard Oil won 12 but lost only one. > > I think there is a pattern. Indeed. In the USA. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 12:56:41PM -0500, billt-l+PWtdWbHAuXFJAUJl40Xg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > If this is the same case I remember, GM was taken to court by a > conglomerate of after market radio manufacturers because they changed > the electrical connectors it used for the radio to a non-standard > connector that could only be purchased from GM. > > The ruling was that GM was using its control of the design and > manufacture of the cars in a monopolistic way. Maybe there were some other factors, like agreement between GM and supplier for standardization but GM changed its design unilaterally. GM changes car shape, design, parts, etc. And, I don't think GM has to get after-market companies' approval everytime. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Waaaay offtopic
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

Paul King wrote: > Date sent: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:40:29 -0500 > From: James Knott <james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org> > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Waaaay offtopic > Send reply to: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > >>Bottom line, is much of that so called "medicine" cannot show any >>benefit in comparitive tests. > > > I am not sure what side you are taking, but first, I would like you to give me > a "for instance" here. > > If an "alternative" medicine which people "say" works (anecdotal evidence, > which isn't worth much, but may provide basis for study), is proven to be of > benefit then it is no longer "alternative". To prove that something is of > benefit, you need placebo trials. I would imagine (without really providing > proof) that there are likely many medicines that have crossed this line. I'm on the same side as you. If you claim something has benefit, do the studies that show said benefit and don't forget to mention any risks that turn up. There are many standard medications, that came from natural remedies. The most obvious is Aspirin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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VPN question
by jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, James Knott wrote: > Justin Zygmont wrote: > > Just a thought about VPN's and a hope to get back on topic to fun linux > > things, I was wondering if anyone knows why an encrypted VPN is so > > important using a phone line when it's usually just a point to point link > > with no chance of interception? > > Why do you think a phone line has no chance of interception? Phone > lines have been tapped for years. It is very easy to do, if you know how. to intercept data transmission? I don't think so. I never heard of that happening. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by billt-l+PWtdWbHAuXFJAUJl40Xg＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

If this is the same case I remember, GM was taken to court by a conglomerate of after market radio manufacturers because they changed the electrical connectors it used for the radio to a non-standard connector that could only be purchased from GM. The ruling was that GM was using its control of the design and manufacture of the cars in a monopolistic way. Bill On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 08:53:07PM -0500, William Park wrote: > On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 06:52:59AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > > >RealNetwork is like after-market car radio company that is suing GM > > >because GM has the arrogance to put radio in all GM cars, thereby > > >shutting out after-market radio companies. > > > > Actually, that matter did go to court and the auto makers lost. > > What do you mean they lost? You mean GM can't sell red cars, because > that will shutout after-market companies selling red paints? > > -- > William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> > Linux solution for data management and processing. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Waaaay offtopic
by doug.isherwood-MwcKTmeKVNQ＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

On Sat, 2003-12-20 at 09:45, Paul King wrote: > If an "alternative" medicine which people "say" works (anecdotal evidence, > which isn't worth much, but may provide basis for study), is proven to be of > benefit then it is no longer "alternative". To prove that something is of > benefit, you need placebo trials. I would imagine (without really providing > proof) that there are likely many medicines that have crossed this line. > A friend of mine has a great line in her signature: "The plural of anecdote is not data." Doug -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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