August 2003 - Legacy - lists.gtalug.org

Distributions' differences
by lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ＠public.gmane.org 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

http://www.distrowatch.com/ is likely your best bet, but not really what you asked for. Cheers, Lloyd -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Multiple installations
by lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ＠public.gmane.org 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 08:27, Phillip Mills wrote: [snip] > I would like to have a > second, bootable Linux environment on that computer that would stay > relatively clean as a "production" server where I could demo stuff to > clients without wondering what my latest downloads mangled. [snip] > Are there > warnings/guidelines for what I want to do? (It sounds like it should > be a "just do it", but others' experiences make me nervous.) On a box from the last few years there should be no issue. I suggest installing Microsoft OS' first : oldest to newest. Cheers, Lloyd -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Multiple installations
by pmills-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q＠public.gmane.org 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

When it comes to PC hardware, I really don't, therefore I have what's probably a ridiculous question. I set up a machine with a single hard drive partitioned to dual-boot between NT Workstation and SuSE Linux. I use my current Linux installation for all kinds of volatile stuff: trying out various SW packages, my own development projects.... I would like to have a second, bootable Linux environment on that computer that would stay relatively clean as a "production" server where I could demo stuff to clients without wondering what my latest downloads mangled. I've done this on Macs where it's as simple as adding another drive, installing a second copy of the system, and choosing which volume/partition to boot from. With PCs, however, I've heard horror stories from others about failing to boot because of number, location, or size of a given partition...or master vs. slave drives. Are there warnings/guidelines for what I want to do? (It sounds like it should be a "just do it", but others' experiences make me nervous.) ........................ Phillip Mills Multi-platform software development (416) 224-0714 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Distributions' differences
by pmills-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q＠public.gmane.org 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

Over the years I've used only a few different Linux distributions. Can anyone summarize differences in substance or style among most of what exists? ...perhaps a website that compares or describes the most likely audience for the various types...especially in terms of how technically adept the user/admin needs to be? ........................ Phillip Mills Multi-platform software development (416) 224-0714 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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OT: sympatico blocking tcp port 135
by robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy＠public.gmane.org 18 Aug '03

18 Aug '03

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Keith Mastin wrote: > I wish that all isp's would block 135:137 though... so many hits on those > ports. Although I can sympathise, widescale "carte-blanche" blocking of ports is considered pretty heavy handed, and with good reason. People may actually have a legitmate use of those ports over the 'net (which may not even be related to SMB/CIFS at all). To my knowledge the only widescale blocking of specific ports that has ever been down was just recently when UDP/1434 was blocked on core routers for a few days to stop the SQL-Slammer worm. Cheers, Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, zzbrock at uqconnect.net Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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OT: sympatico blocking tcp port 135
by kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w＠public.gmane.org 18 Aug '03

18 Aug '03

> WK <wooik-sIZ5AmKAnwVWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org> writes: >> Anyone notice that sympatico starts blocking outgoing tcp port 135 >> recently? > > It probably has something to do with that recent M$ virus [Blaster?]. I > believe that it was using ports 135 and 137 to spread. ...mblast uses tftp to spread... I wish that all isp's would block 135:137 though... so many hits on those ports. -- Keith Mastin BeechTree Information Technology Services Inc. Toronto, Canada (416)696 6070 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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bash history
by andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw＠public.gmane.org 18 Aug '03

18 Aug '03

On 18 Aug 2003 00:37:13 -0400, "Tim Writer" <tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> said: > Lloyd D Budd <lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org> writes: > > > Hi, > > > > >From time to time I wonder how 'history' works, and what is the > > mechanism for the many bash sessions making it into '.bash_history'? > > > > Today, I was reminded of my previous wondering as 'history' corrupted > > my session's display -- 'reset' resolved. > > > > I find the most useful history related command to be: > > [Ctrl]+r :: reverse incremental search > > > > I just now found HISTIGNORE. > > > > I am aware of bash-completion. It seems that one could do a lot more > > with this thinking. Any smart history search/modification tools out > > there? > > The Z shell (zsh) is much better at this sort of stuff than bash. True. Zsh is the ultimate interactive shell. It's SHARE_HISTORY option does the session history merging you're asking about. In bash, '!' starts a history expansion: '!!' recalls the last command line, '!$' recalls the final argument of the last command line, and ^foo^bar substitutes bar for foo in the previous line. See the bash man page for more like this. But Zsh does these and more: pressing TAB after entering one of these sequences does the history expansion in the current line. Adding a :h causes only the 'head' of a path (everything up to the final '/') to be substituted, :t the 'tail' (filename), and :r the filename with any suffix removed, e.g. %~>less /usr/share/doc/thing/README %~>cd !$:h %/usr/share/doc/thing> Since you asked about completion, zsh has special command-specific completion features like: cd <TAB> ==> lists directories tar xzvf <TAB> ==> lists only files ending in .gz or .tgz ls -<TAB> ==> a list of all possible argument to ls dpkg -L <TAB> ==> a list of installed debian packages scp localfile me-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org:<TAB> ==> Very cool: does remote path completion!! More info: Linux Magazine Articles (see columns for May, June, July 2002) http://www.linux-mag.com/depts/power.html Other cool things in bash and zsh http://www.jpeek.com/talks/ukuug_20000720/ Adam's Zsh & Shell pages http://adamspiers.org/computing/zsh/ Zsh Fan Page http://www.princeton.edu/~kmccarty/zsh.html IBM Developer Works article. http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-z.html?open&l=335,t=g… Zsh User Guide (most comprehensive info) http://zsh.sunsite.dk/Guide/zshguide.html ------------------- Andrew Malcolmson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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More TLUG on Gmane [was TLUG vs Sympatico]
by andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw＠public.gmane.org 18 Aug '03

18 Aug '03

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:28:06 -0400, "Chris MacDonald" <cgm-BjBj7/ohIX+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org> said: > On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 08:59:51AM -0500, Andrew Malcolmson wrote: > > We now need someone to upload to Gmane prior TLUG archives in mbox > > format. > > I have 3 years of tlug, around 36,000 messages, sitting around in mbox > format somewhere. I can upload it as soon as my dsl is fixed. Great! Here's a link to instructions on how to do this. http://gmane.org/import.php ------------------- Andrew Malcolmson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Sprint CA
by lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys＠public.gmane.org 18 Aug '03

18 Aug '03

On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 10:24:55AM +0000, Bob Brewster wrote: > Have got both Mandrake 7.0 and Red Hat 7.2 operating well with > my present IP. > > Because I have dispatched Bell as my local phone company and changed > over to Sprint Canada I am trying to setup and internet connection > with Sprint. > > Sprint Tec Support is NO help at all. > > DLC and Echo are not available to me because I am not with Bell. > > If anyone on the list uses Sprint Canada as their IP, could you > send me a copy of your Sprint Linux Login Script. > > I have been unable to get a connect with Mandrake. > I get an Authentication Failure. > > With Redhat 7.2 I get garbage after a connect. > > I'm using KPPP with Mandrake and KPPP and RedHat Dialer with > RedHat. Have you tried using PAP authentication and not doing any scripting at all beyond the default dial number and connect stuff? That is what all sensible systems use today since that is what windows expects. The old login and password prompts are so obsolete for ppp. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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no luck yet...still Re:debian/woody powerpc + modem
by lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys＠public.gmane.org 18 Aug '03

18 Aug '03

On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 10:51:13PM -0400, Max Blanco wrote: > > Thanks Lennart(All)... but no luck yet. see below: > > On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 05:24:17PM -0400, Max Blanco wrote: > > > Maybe I should, but I haven't any use for ppp. > > > > Ah. OK. > > > > pppconfig gave me "set modem manually" as the only option. > 8( > > > Well I would imagine that Linux uses /dev/ttyS0 - ttyS3 for serial > > ports. What does 'dmesg |grep tty' show you? > > > > bingo: > tty00 at somehex1 (irq = 15) is a Z8530 ESCC; port = modem > tty01 at somehex2 (irq = 16) is a Z8530 ESCC; port = printer > > tried tty00 and tty01. no luck. > so I wrote a simple script that tried ttyS* tty0* cua* to no avail. > > the modem is on. > the modem is plugged in to the line. > the modem works well in macos. Perhaps using some setserial command to setup /dev/ttyS0 on the hex and irq given would work. Don't usually bother specifying the uart or anything like that. Might work. /usr/share/doc/setserial/ might have useful hints in it. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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