August 2003 - Legacy - lists.gtalug.org

6.2 vs. 7.3
by hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ＠public.gmane.org 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:47:32 -0400 Chris Aitken <aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> wrote: > I have an acer p166 (64 MB RAM, awe32 sound card, trio s3 virge video > card) which my daughter has been using for WordPerfect 8, MSN (gaim), > music CDs and Internet. It had RH 7.3 and ran a little slow. I upgraded > it to 8.0 to see just how slow it would run - and, ya, it was *too* > slow. I think the hardware is better suited to RH 6.2. That went on > easily and everything seems a little faster. However, I can see I'll > have to a lot of mucking around - no gaim, so I'll have to find > something else that will run MSN, it liked my sound card but then > announced that I'll have to compile sound support into the kernel, > printing already gave me a little trouble. Problem is is that this is > not a test/learning machine - this is my daughter's machine. I don't > want to tell her she has to be off it for days and days while I learn > about makefile, compiling the kernel (for the first time), etc. So, my > question is: Is Rh 6.2 going to so much faster on this machine that's > it's going to be worth my daughter being without a computer for a month > while I try to get it to do what 7.3 will do right out of the box? > > Please, spare the other hundreds of people on the list, the "Gee, Chris, > I know the answer to your problem - it's called Windows - embrace the > Beaast." comments - or at least send it offline - thanks. > > Chris Chris, I have just upgraded my P233 laptop to Red Hat 8. I have 64MB of RAM, and it too is running slowly. Definitely, I am into swap, so my second strategy for speeding things up is more RAM. My first strategy for speeding things up is to run FVWM2 instead of Gnome or KDE. There are a couple of other small window managers out there, but I have a long history with FVWM. There are a couple of other FVWM freaks in this user group, so you can get help. There was some talk about running an FVWM demo at one of the user meetings. Is there any more interest in this? -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howard-42qnO8ePF9cV+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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when dealing with an extortionist
by ekgab-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

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when dealing with an extortionist
by jwtlai-Xhj3G7Rj6JI＠public.gmane.org 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, E K wrote: > Every thing about SCO smells like dead fish. Here is another related > article... This piece by Bruce Perens is pretty damning. http://perens.com/Articles/SCOCopiedCode.html One of the alleged pieces of copied code turns out to be available to the open source community via other distinct licenses. Perhaps SCO's team didn't do their homework, hence their unwillingness to expose the alleged violations. Jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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when dealing with an extortionist
by ekgab-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

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6.2 vs. 7.3
by kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w＠public.gmane.org 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

<snip> > about makefile, compiling the kernel (for the first time), etc. So, my > question is: Is Rh 6.2 going to so much faster on this machine that's > it's going to be worth my daughter being without a computer for a month > while I try to get it to do what 7.3 will do right out of the box? Really, the bottleneck is probably all the X thingies she needs. These are needs, right? 6.2 uses a bit less system resources than 7.3, but it has it's faults too... it's no longer supported by redhat. It's also not much of a multimedia -ready desktop compared to 7.3. What I would suggest is that she might try knoppix for a while and see if she (and you) can handle debian. If so, then you'll be off and running with a good little woody install. 8,000+ programs to chose from, and software management is a breeze with apt-get. I was a bit intimidated myself at first moving from redhat, but once I got the idea of apt-get it got a little easier. Most of the configs are in the software, so they're pretty generic across the board. Worth checking out anyways... -- Keith Mastin BeechTree Information Technology Services Inc. Toronto, Canada (416)696 6070 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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lost mail
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

Hi, I have posted a message to this list twice, in the last 2 hours. I have not seen it. It is relative to the SCO vs. Linux debate. Who or what do I need to do or contact to clarify where my email got deleted ? Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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test (ignore)
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

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when dealing with an extortionist
by kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w＠public.gmane.org 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

> It seems that the Open Source community has indicated its willingness to > make a deal with the SCO extortionists. > > http://linuxtoday.com/developer/2003081901726OSCYLL At first glance, it doesn't look to me like this is a deal at all. It looks more like the OSC wanting to keep their own back yard and name clean. > In my opinion this is a very dangerous tactic but I recognize that the > court system may be many things but fair isn't one of them. Agreed, they just want to look fair while screwing the little guy. > In my opinion if we are going to cut a deal with SCO as an Open Source > community it should contain some elements which ensure that they will > never be a problem again: Mmmm. Better to keep that within OSS control rather than depending on SCO to do anything. Any deal will be written by shysters at a huge expense. OTOH, if SCO steps out of line, there shouldn't be any hesitation to call them on it. <snip> > In return the Linux community should remove the contentious pieces of > source code from the 2.6 source tree ( presumably until the matter of > ownership is clarified by a court ). This seems to be the spirit of things, but in the interest of keeping the code pristine rather than to appease SCO. We always have to remember that if someone doesn't honor a proprietary license that they might not honor the copyleft either. I think that attitude is pretty much prevalent within the community. We are not a bunch of Warez advocates, although there are always some who would rather not pay anythng. I think that there's a lot of OSS advocates who will pay for opensource apps and programs if they work. -- Keith Mastin BeechTree Information Technology Services Inc. Toronto, Canada (416)696 6070 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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GHOSTing Linux drives seems to have problems with the boot sector
by kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

At 11:58 AM 07/30/2003 -0400, teddymills wrote: >GHOSTing Linux drive seems to have problems with the boot sector. >All the Linux and data gets ghosted ok, but the drives do not boot up >properly. I am not sure what you mean by GHOSTing Linux. From the rest of the messages related to this topic, it seems like you are trying to find a way to have some redundancy in the data on your hard drive(s). Since you already have one or more spare drives you want to use for the GHOSTing operation, wouldn't it be easier and/or simpler to use the spare drives to set up a RAID 1 (disk mirror) configuration? Then you won't have to worry about boot sector problems, etc. Cheers! Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: Packet:ve3syb at ve3yra.#con.on.ca.na| Try to assimilate the world!" #include <disclaimer/favourite> | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Question re: Qmail and disk quotas
by kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

Greetings, all. I have imposed disk quotas on some users on a machine I administer. The machine runs Qmail and the mail for certain domains is placed under the home directory of the user that owns the domain. If the user goes over quota and exceeds the grace period, they will no longer be able to create new files until they get back under the soft quota limit. If an account goes over quota for longer than the grace period how will this affect their incoming mail? Will qmail still deliver their mail in to their account or will it be bounced? I don't have a user anywhere near their quota limits yet. I'm just checking on expected behaviour. Cheers! Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: Packet:ve3syb at ve3yra.#con.on.ca.na| Try to assimilate the world!" #include <disclaimer/favourite> | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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