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M$ to license FAT
by lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 11:58:00AM -0500, Taavi Burns wrote: > IIRC OS/2 could only do long filenames with HPFS. Your DOS apps > could access HPFS files through what looked like a network share, > but long filenames would be totally masked. It was suboptimal, > but possibly better than allowing two filenames (one explicit, one > implicit) for one file. > > There's a very happy "feature" of VFAT. > > Create a file "Thisisaverylongfile2.txt". Note that the short > version of this comes out as "THISIS~1.TXT". > > Create a file "Thisisaverylongfile1.txt". Note that the short > version of this comes out as "THISIS~2.TXT". > > Now "del *1.TXT" and watch BOTH FILES DISSAPEAR. > > Did you really mean to do that? Last I tried most MS (DOS based at least) OSs didn't allow wildcards before other characters. abc*.txt is allowed *abc.txt is not. Not sure, but it may even match *.txt actually on some versions of DOS. That is pretty scary actually. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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quiet PC
by lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 08:19:14AM -0500, Ladislav Svatos wrote: > The most noisiest fan on my computer is the CPU fan. What do you recommend for > a CPU fan? A brand name ball bearing fan (sleeve bearings don't last long and start vibrating). I discovered the cause of my Dad's noisy machine is actually the power supply fan (after replacing a few of the others). Annoyingly it is soldered in so I guess I will have to cut and splice the wires for a new fan in there. bigfoot computers has a nice selection of fans and such btw. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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quiet PC
by henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Ilya Palagin wrote: > I've seen computers (can't remember the brand, either IBM or Compaq), > which had just one fan - in the power supply... You can go one step farther. There are fanless computers. Mind you, you will *not* find them with the latest 2GHz Turbo-Roomheater CPU chip that can run the latest Windows at a bearable speed. :-) But as we all know, if you use Linux, lower CPU speeds still work just fine... <http://www.caseoutlet.com/NWPc/2677/itx2677.html> is one example. (Note that you can get it with two or three CPU choices, and the top-end one does require a fan, so there is one in the case... but if you back off on the CPU choice, and are careful about what else you put in the case, you can disconnect the fan.) Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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M$ to license FAT
by lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 10:42:21PM -0500, cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > What is Highly Curious is the fact that Atari was selling systems based > on FAT filesystems probably fifteen years ago, and were never attacked > for this. > > What is VERY interesting is that none of the patents in question have to > do with the filesystem. They ALL have to do with the way DOS 6 started > providing support for longer filenames. The patents date back to 1996, > and every single one is about filenaming. That would be DOS 7 (aka win95). No version prior to Win95 (OR if you ran NT) could do long filenames on FAT. I think OS/2 had a way to do it though. > 1 6,286,013 Method and system for providing a common name space for long > and short file names in an operating system > > 2 5,758,352 Common name space for long and short filenames > > 3 5,745,902 Method and system for accessing a file using file names > having different file name formats > > 4 5,579,517 Common name space for long and short filenames How many patents can they have for the same thing anyhow? Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Reply To address messes with tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org
by fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

On Tuesday 09 December 2003 09:44, Oliver Meyn wrote: > If you're going to make the move to another mail client may I suggest > Evolution for just this sort of thing. If you can spare a separate email > address for just receiving list mail then evolution has a very slick way > of letting you switch between accounts for sending. kmail has something probably very similar. - filter mailing list messages to a given folder - for that folder define some properties o Note that folder contains list and it's post address o Select which "identity" you wish to use for folder With above setup correctly a new message started while TLUG folder is selected will automatically set To: header to list. From address will be automatically set to that of your choosing. -- Fraser Campbell <fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> http://www.wehave.net/ Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Reply To address messes with tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org
by jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

Speaking of Evolution, 1.5 Released yesterday as announced here. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2003-December/msg00030.h… Personally I use Mozilla Thunderbird, which also got an upgrade to 0.4 this week. Oliver Meyn wrote: > Hi All, > > On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 07:32, Chris Aitken wrote: > >>OK - maybe I'll have to switch to Mozilla from Netscape so I can use profiles - >>then I'll have one profile for sending/receiving from/to my business, and another >>for >>tlug. > > > If you're going to make the move to another mail client may I suggest > Evolution for just this sort of thing. If you can spare a separate email > address for just receiving list mail then evolution has a very slick way > of letting you switch between accounts for sending. > > Cheers, > Oliver > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/(a)public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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quiet PC
by wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

I fan corrected. Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: Madison Kelly [mailto:linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:29 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: quiet PC That is certainly not true!! Yes, the power supply plans for sufficient airflow to cool the average chassi but it certainly is not a good idea to run with no cooling at all. Those voltage regulators get very hot and simple convection of the heat to a static air environment will simply not suffice. Madison Wil McGilvery wrote: > If noise is an issue, and if you have an extra pc, why not use terminal services and set up a dumb terminal in the area where noise is a problem. > > Someone correct me if I am wrong, but if you boot from a floppy and leave the cover off, you don't really need the fan on the power supply. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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M$ to license FAT
by jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:50:47 -0500 Taavi Burns <taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 10:42:21PM -0500, cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > What is VERY interesting is that none of the patents in question > > have to do with the filesystem. They ALL have to do with the way > > DOS 6 started > > DOS provided long filename support? Not that I remember. > It all started with Windows 95. > I thought Win95 was Dos 7 with the GUI tied into it. SCO then Caldera proved the M$ mucked with the GUI so that DRDOS wouldn't work. Caldera made an out of court settlement and then announced an IPO shortly afterwards. They chose guaranteed money over providing a possible stake to the heart for M$. I think this was the beginning of the present day SCO and M$ relationship. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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quiet PC
by fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

On Tuesday 09 December 2003 10:09, Ladislav Svatos wrote: > > What CPU and is the Heat Sink and FAN supplied by the manufacturere (AMD > > or Intel)? > > > > Madison > > I have an AMD processor and the noise is not that bad. The motherboard is > an old Asus A7V. The motherboard supports fan speed control, but it never > actually worked. Asus probably got it working in later versions of the MB. > I would like to know what are the thermal solutions for new CPUs having to > dissipate 100W of heat. I built a system for my mother using the ASUS A7V board the thing is dead-quiet. My mum turns off the monitor when she's not using it and I've often made the mistake of turning off the computer (thinking I was turning it on). The secret is the Antec case, despite dual-fan power supply + CPU fan + GPU fan + 2 case fans + 2 hard drives it is virtually silent. Not all Antec cases are so quiet though, I bought one for myself later without paying too much attention to the model and despite being quieter and cooler than the POS I was using before it's nowhere near as quiet as my mothers (her's may be an SX1135 but don't quote me on it). -- Fraser Campbell <fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> http://www.wehave.net/ Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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quiet PC
by linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

Increased contact pressure between the CPU die and the heat sink, thermal conductive tape or paste and larger, more effective heat sinks. Couple to this a 60mm or 80mm thermally variale fan and you have the average solution today. Madison Ladislav Svatos wrote: > On December 9, 2003 09:00 am, Madison Kelly wrote: > >>What CPU and is the Heat Sink and FAN supplied by the manufacturere (AMD >>or Intel)? >> >>Madison >> >> > > I have an AMD processor and the noise is not that bad. The motherboard is an > old Asus A7V. The motherboard supports fan speed control, but it never > actually worked. Asus probably got it working in later versions of the MB. > I would like to know what are the thermal solutions for new CPUs having to > dissipate 100W of heat. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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