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YYZTechA new computer newspaper for Toronto?
by legrady-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

The Perl, Python, Ruby and Java communities should provide material for at least one regular column, though pestering the person responsible for the next column might be a full time job. As well, I've been involved with a group of artists interested in OS hardware and software. A geek column from the artists might be a way to increase cross-activity between those two communities. Tom Legrady Austin Acton wrote: >On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 00:05, David J Patrick wrote: > > >>Also, one this I miss, from the OLD Toronto Computes is the classified >>section; hardware wanted/ for sale and services. >> >> > >Yes, absolutely! And also help wanted, and announcements of local >computing events. > >Another idea might be articles about the Toronto tech job market... >comparison of local tech college programs, etc. Speaking of which, I >teach at Seneca, and I'm sure they'd advertize in it like crazy. > >Austin > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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dd vs. cat >/dev/xxx
by jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

just a quick question here, I was wondering if there is really much benefit from using dd to image a floppy disk than cat >/dev/fd0. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Dear Santa
by glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

Let's see... Microsoft curling up and dying; or World Peace. The difference escapes me completely. >:) His Lordship Mayhem -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Chris Aitken Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:20 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: Dear Santa Dear Santa, For Christmas I would like Microsoft to go out of business. I don't know how - I haven't thought it through. I'd just like it to curl up and die. If that's too much to ask for I'll take world peace. Thank you. Love, Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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YYZTechA new computer newspaper for Toronto?
by aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 00:05, David J Patrick wrote: > Also, one this I miss, from the OLD Toronto Computes is the classified > section; hardware wanted/ for sale and services. Yes, absolutely! And also help wanted, and announcements of local computing events. Another idea might be articles about the Toronto tech job market... comparison of local tech college programs, etc. Speaking of which, I teach at Seneca, and I'm sure they'd advertize in it like crazy. Austin -- Austin Acton Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant, Ph.D. Candidate Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeLinux Volunteer Developer, homepage: www.groundstate.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Dear Santa
by davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

Chris Aitken wrote: >Dear Santa, > >For Christmas I would like Microsoft to go out of business. I don't know >how - I haven't >thought it through. I'd just like it to curl up and die. If that's too >much to ask for I'll take >world peace. > >Thank you. > >Love, > >Chris > > Sorry to disappoint, Chris, Microsoft will never die. They will, however, be humbled. It will be a slow and agonizing process, with much wailing and moaning. There will be casualties, as the monsters limbs lash out, but most people will not notice. They will be too happy playing with lovingly crafted open source applications and a real OS. If they're real nice, we'll let them park cars outside the party. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Kiting: ( was *Really* bad week for SCO)
by glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

The United States banking system doesn't work that way, and frankly neither does the Canadian. Remember, this is the late 1960's to early 1970's, and modern sophisticated machines like the TRS-80 hadn't been invented yet. In Canada, all cheques go through central clearing facilities (they're regionalized for greater speed) and get forwarded to the bank according to the MICR encoding on the bottom of the cheque. In the States, which is about 10 times the size of Canada, the cheques follow the same distribution pattern... within each Federal Reserve district. New York is in one, California is in another. Our hero's cheques would enter New York's Federal Reserve Bank (Each Federal Reserve District goes by numbers, I forget which is which but it doesn't matter right now), get fed into the machines and get sorted and sent to the district Reserve Bank that California is in. When they arrived in sunny California, they were then further sorted into bank branches - once again using the MICR code and monster sorting machines. No human intervention just yet. For those of you counting, that's Day Two of the process. Then when the bank gets their stack of cheques, they feed them into THEIR sorting machines so they can record the amount and the payer's account... except there isn't one, so the machine barfs it out. Now, we finally get the human being involved, who looks at the cheque, sees it's actually drawn on a New York bank (because he's looking at the logo, not the MICR code), shoves it into a special envelope with one transparent side, and sends it back through the Federal Reserve in California (day 3), who send it to the Federal Reserve in New York (day 4), where it resumes its merry way back to California (day 5), which sends it to the branch encoded on the bottom of the cheque (day 6) (insert Mobius loop here)... And the payment keeps flipping back and forth between the California bank and the two Reserve Banks, until even the glassine envelope is looking mighty tattered. Then somebody looks at logo/bank name and the MICR encoding, and realizes HEY, WE WUZ TOOK! Kiting depends on having cheques deposited simultaneously in two different accounts in (preferably) two separate Reserve Districts. One bank Hutton tried to use was located in a tiny town in the middle of nowhere (in Colorado IIRC), over a day's travel from the Federal Reserve Bank whose district it was in. His Lordship Mayhem -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of James Knott Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 5:40 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Kiting: ( was *Really* bad week for SCO) That doesn't make sense. A cheque is returned to the home bank as quickly as practical, either directly, through a clearing house or via 3rd party banks. Once it's there, it stays unless bounced back. There's no reason for it to keep making the rounds. Kiting requires issuing a series of checques to cover the previous ones. Peter Hiscocks wrote: > I heard of one kiting scheme that was finally discovered when the magnetic > ink on the cheque wore down to the point that it could no longer be read by > the cheque-reading machines and had to be handled by a human. Apparently the > cheque had been going back and forth across the continental US for several > weeks before that happened. > > Peter > > > On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 11:52:49PM -0500, Gary Layng wrote: > >>I think I can google something up, but for now: >> - kiting is illegal. The scheme depends on how long it takes cheques to >>clear the central clearing facility that all banks share. Imagine you have >>two bank accounts with, say, $50 in each. You cut a cheque from your >>account in Bank 1 for, say, $5 million, and deposit it into the account you >>have in Bank 2. At the same time you also cut a cheque from the Bank 2 >>account and deposit it into the account in Bank 1. When the cheques clear, >>you have enough money to cover them. You get the interest on the $10 >>million dollars you had for two-three days in the two accounts. >> - Margin is perfectly legal. "On margin" means that you borrowed money >>from your broker to buy shares. Typically the broker lends you up to about >>75% of the value of the shares. If the value of the shares drops 25% you >>get a "margin call" and they can sell the shares. You're leveraging your >>potential capital gains by borrowing the money, but it's quite dangerous. >> >> >>His Lordship Mayhem >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Byron Sonne >>Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 7:30 PM >>To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >>Subject: Re: [TLUG]: *Really* bad week for SCO >> >> >>>its stock price may jump to $50, and if you hold -100 of them, you'll >>>now have to pay $5000 to close out your position, and you're in the hole >> >>big >> >>>time. >> >>Does anyone have a link to a site or some docs that explain, to a putz >>like me, what all this various financial wizardry is? >> >>I've seen shorting briefly explained here, but what about kiting, >>selling on margin, etc, and various other techniques and scams? I'd like >>to know but I don't have the inclination to read entire books about this >>stuff, or become a CPA or something. >> >>Later, >>B >>-- >>The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >>TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml >> >>-- >>The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >>TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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YYZTechA new computer newspaper for Toronto?
by davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

Zoltan wrote: >[snip] > >I'd like to get some feedback about this venture, specifically: > >-Is this something that is needed? > > absolutely ! >-What would you like to see / not see in a computer newspaper >-Would you be interested in writing or helping out? > > I'd like to see a distillation of the most interesting open source news and hardware article featuring new hardware and ideas for old hardware. Also, one this I miss, from the OLD Toronto Computes is the classified section; hardware wanted/ for sale and services. It might be possible to obtain permission to print selected items from newsforge.com and osnews.com I'd be delighted to submit the odd (and I do mean odd) editorial. >I'd like to get as much feedback as possible, so if this interest you, >please e-mail me at: > >yyztech-KdxWn004MjY at public.gmane.org or on the list, > >Thanks, >Zoltan Hunt >www.zee4.com > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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central mail
by kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

At 07:28 PM 12/08/2003 -0500, Chris wrote: >I now need to move to a system by which I can see the same >email from two different PCs. Sounds like a simple thing but I have >a feeling this is going to entail a huge learning curve and maybe even >moving to a different email system. Several people have mentioned IMAP as one way to go. If the machine acting as the primary mail server (ie. the one you are retrieving your mail from) is under your control, another option is to install a web-based mail system. I run a Qmail based system with several add-ons. As a result, users can read and send mail using the sqwebmail (web-based) mail service. Since this is web-based, a users mail can be accessed from any machine with Internet access. Users can also send mail through the same interface. This might be a better option since you can use any web browser on a machine without the need to do any configuration of the e-mail program or browser to access an IMAP server. Cheers! Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: Packet:ve3syb-XXPEJ3/fxIc at public.gmane.org#con.on.ca.na| Try to assimilate the world!" #include <disclaimer/favourite> | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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M$ to license FAT
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

Austin Acton wrote: > On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 22:36, Robert McDonald wrote: > >>I heard W95 was released for >>32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a >>16-bit patch to an >>8-bit operating system originally coded for a >>4-bit microprocessor, written by a >>2-bit company that can't stand >>1 bit of competition. > > > Jeez... did you just come up with that on-the-spot? > That's pretty sweet! > > Austin It's been around for years. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Dear Santa
by aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

Dear Santa, For Christmas I would like Microsoft to go out of business. I don't know how - I haven't thought it through. I'd just like it to curl up and die. If that's too much to ask for I'll take world peace. Thank you. Love, Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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