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In the Beginning was the Command Line
by robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Oliver Meyn wrote: > Hi All, > > <http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html> I'd like him to backup his claim that Bill Gates & Paul Allen came up with the idea of selling an OS. Gosh people come out with some rubbish. There were plenty of OSes for sale when they got in the biz. Many hardware platforms had several OSes available for purchase at least a decade before anyone thought of MS-DOS (and probably a lot more). How big is the article that the remainder of it is packaged as a zip file? :) > This essay will no doubt appeal to many of you (and I'm sure many of you > have read it), but rather than promoting self-aggrandizement I rather > like his proposal that M$ isn't actually evil, they're just doing what The problem is MS had engaged in unethical and in some cases illegal behaviour over a period of 20 years or more. This is why the US DoJ and others keep doing them over in court. I won't go into details as they are well recorded online. At what point is it not ok for a company to do something for the sake of shareholders? Illegal activitiies count, and to me, so do unethical behaviours. > they promised their shareholders they'd do - make them money, and damn > the torpedoes. If that happens to cause major headaches for those of us > who care about how computers are used, well, too bad - go capitalism. Personally I think pure capitialism can be quite dangerous. It tends to transfer power & money into the hands of the few at the expense of the many. OTOH, Regulated capitalism can be quite healthy (IMHO of course :) Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, zzbrock at uqconnect.net Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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by fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

On Wednesday 10 December 2003 09:18, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Chris Aitken wrote: > >OK - thanks. That's the explanation I was hoping for. For me this will be > >a huge task. Downloading rpm's, installing software, configuring MUA, > >MTA, and now, if I understand correctly, MDA. > > I think that MDA is an other name for MTA. Acutally I believe MDA is "Mail Delivery Agent". It's typically used to refer to the process that takes care of writing your email to your mailbox (i.e. /var/spool/mail/$user or $HOME/Maildir/). Often the MDA is procmail but many MTAs have built in MDAs so the use of procmail isn't essential (though it is still useful). maildrop is another popular MDA. -- Fraser Campbell <fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> http://www.wehave.net/ Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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by robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > I think that MDA is an other name for MTA. No, they are distinct concepts. The confusion comes because they are closely tied together and in some cases may even be different instances of the same application. Sendmail used to come with an MDA called "deliver" which was so closely tied to the app that most mail admins didn't even realise it was there or that they were using it (unledd they examined sendmail.cf), but being aware of the ability to use different MDAs can be very very useful indeed. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, zzbrock at uqconnect.net Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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In the Beginning was the Command Line
by lists-tZhE6lH4Esk+k03BA+Hq9g＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

Hi All, <http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html> This essay will no doubt appeal to many of you (and I'm sure many of you have read it), but rather than promoting self-aggrandizement I rather like his proposal that M$ isn't actually evil, they're just doing what they promised their shareholders they'd do - make them money, and damn the torpedoes. If that happens to cause major headaches for those of us who care about how computers are used, well, too bad - go capitalism. This reeks of <bait /> I know, so apologies in advance. *ducks* Oliver -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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by lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Chris Aitken wrote: >OK - thanks. That's the explanation I was hoping for. For me this will be >a huge task. Downloading rpm's, installing software, configuring MUA, >MTA, and now, if I understand correctly, MDA. I think that MDA is an other name for MTA. Your system should have MTA installed already (probably sendmail), and most likely the default configuration is adequate this case. You just have to install IMAP server, and using rpm it should be a breeze. As far as I know, it will need minimal or no configuration. So you just have to configure the MUA. -- Stephan Paul Arif Sahari Wibowo _____ _____ _____ _____ /____ /____/ /____/ /____ _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:12:55 -0500 Chris Aitken <aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> wrote: > OK - thanks. That's the explanation I was hoping for. For me this will be a > > huge task. Downloading rpm's, installing software, configuring MUA, MTA, > and now, if I understand correctly, MDA. And I'm sure I will face many > questions > to which I will not know the answer. So, this explanation will be my > guiding light. RPM's? If you are running Mandrake, it's as easy as falling off a chair! It must be, because I did it in about 5 minutes. On the mail server: urpmi imap (*not* "courier imap") if Fetchmail is not installed: urpmi fetchmail-daemon (so it'll run at boot) then just configure your /etc/fetchmailrc with the info on your ISP's POP server like so: # Configuration created Fri Feb 14 02:07:47 2003 by fetchmailconf set postmaster "xxxxxxx" set bouncemail set no spambounce set properties "" set daemon 300 #number of seconds between "polls" poll pop2.sympatico.ca with proto POP3 user 'xxxxx' there with password 'xxxxx' is 'xxxxx' here options nokeep and then continue for each account, one "poll" per account. Then on the mailserver, just create user accounts for each person (that's where you put the username "is 'xxxxx' here"), eh voila! Each machine/user on your LAN, they just point their mail client at the address of the server, with their user and pass, and yer done. Personally I never used the IMAP functionality, I just used my mailserver as a regular old POP server (the IMAP package comes with both), but the mail client, if it has built-in IMAP functionality, should know what to do. -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding." -- John Kenneth Galbraith -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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hard drive wanted
by jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b＠public.gmane.org 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

I am looking for a small harddrive, maybe around 2+ gigs, for linux test installs. My current drive has been giving me problems, so i'm throwing it in the trash:) If anyone happens to have one, please let me know what you want for it, and maybe we can make a deal. thanks.. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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YYZTechA new computer newspaper for Toronto?
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 07:25:47PM -0600, Zoltan wrote: > In the early 1990s there where a two free newspapers providing computing > information for the Toronto audience: Toronto Computes and The Computer > Paper. Since last September these two have been replaced by HUB Canada. > Unfortunately, HUB seems to be more about consumer electronics and the > latest Windows applications Probably, because revenue comes from ads. Newspapers and magazines are there to sell ads, with writing used as fillers. > than for someone looking for for an ISP with > good tech support or where to meet Linux-heads in Toronto. > > To this end I'd like to see who would be interested in a new computer paper > for the Toronto area. This would be a free and have a pro-Linux/OpenSource Despite hype, there is nothing to "sell" on Linux or Open Source area. Well, so far, at least. > -Is this something that is needed? I think one is enough for GTA computer stores. > -What would you like to see / not see in a computer newspaper More sale items. > -Would you be interested in writing or helping out? For print newspaper or magazine, yes. For online, no. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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YYZTechA new computer newspaper for Toronto?
by aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 00:41, Tom Legrady wrote: > As well, I've been involved with a group of artists interested in OS > hardware and software. A geek column from the artists might be a way to > increase cross-activity between those two communities. Yes, geeks of all types should feel welcome, even if it was to be compu-centric. You'd need a guaranteed high readership for advertizing to be viable, so it would be important to have some purely geek-related topics (video games, movies, anything Toronto+science related). Imagine Toronto's own mini-Slashdot, along with some _useful_ content. Austin -- Austin Acton Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant, Ph.D. Candidate Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeLinux Volunteer Developer, homepage: www.groundstate.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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YYZTechA new computer newspaper for Toronto?
by c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Zoltan wrote: > In the early 1990s there where a two free newspapers providing computing > information for the Toronto audience: Toronto Computes and The Computer > Paper. Since last September these two have been replaced by HUB Canada. > Unfortunately, HUB seems to be more about consumer electronics and the > latest Windows applications than for someone looking for for an ISP with > good tech support or where to meet Linux-heads in Toronto. > > To this end I'd like to see who would be interested in a new computer paper > for the Toronto area. This would be a free and have a pro-Linux/OpenSource > stance with a focus on the Linux community here as well as providing stories > of interest to Mac and, perhaps other computer systems. Currently I'm > investigating using the news site The Register > (http://www.theregister.co.uk/) to provide some syndicated content. > > I'd like to get some feedback about this venture, specifically: > > -Is this something that is needed? Needed? Probably not. Good to have, useful? Definitely. > -What would you like to see / not see in a computer newspaper Like: Well written, well researched, meaty articles. Regular columns, both technical and editorial. Q&A columns on various aspects of computing. Dislike: Too many advertisements. (Actually, any, but that's not realistic.) > -Would you be interested in writing or helping out? Yes. I'd be interested in writing about shell scripting and using the command line. I also have editing and design experience with newspapers and magazines. -- Chris F.A. Johnson ================================================================= cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org http://cfaj.freeshell.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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