December 2003 - Legacy - lists.gtalug.org

City of Austin Migrates to OO.o (almost)
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

"The City of Austin recently completed a group of pilot studies on the use of open source software in its day-to-day business. According to a message posted this morning on the Austin LUG mailing list by Scott Brown, the results are in, and as a result, as many as 80% of the city's desktops may be migrating from Microsoft Office to OpenOffice.org." http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/12/17/1440223 -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "You tell me it's the institution; Well you know, you better free your mind instead..."-- John Lennon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Waaaay offtopic
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I would just like to say, after 3 days of suffering with a temp of 105 and 0 hours of sleep, anyone else who got this flu bug goin' around, you have my *deepest* sympathies. I'm just thankful I got it before Christmas. -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "There are three side effects of acid: enhanced long-term memory, decreased short-term memory, and I forget the third."-- Timothy Leary -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Linux 2.6.0 Kernel Released
by jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/＠public.gmane.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Linux 2.6.0 Kernel Released http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.0 Finally it is official :) Let the compiling begin. -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/(a)public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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[TLUG] (remote) install fest
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 09:51:16PM -0700, Taavi Burns wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 09:58:28PM -0500, William Park wrote: > > > Incorrect. PXE is about getting a kernel loaded into memory, the same > > > job and purpose as etherboot, netboot or romamatic. PXE facilitates > > > LTSP it definitely does not obsolete it. > > > > Here we go again... After you boot and mount NFS root, you're looking > > at the root tree that used to be local harddisk (except now it's > > remote). You tell me why LTSP is necessary. > > Perhaps the workstations are decrepit and/or have too little > memory to run apps and X at an appropriate speed. LTSP creates > thin clients. Mounting your root filesystem over NFS creates a > thick client, which runns all applications locally only saves you > the cost of remote administration and hard disks. Ah, I see where's the confusion. Once you mount NFS root, you have a "normal" root tree. So, this is no different from your fully loaded computer. How do you get the remote server to open XDM login prompt on your screen. Essentially, you do 'X -query server', right? With X-terminal, we automate this by modifying /etc/inittab. In Slackware, run level 4 is XDM mode and it will run /etc/rc.d/rc.4. You can edit that, or assign unused run level 5 for X-terminal purpose. You can also trim NFS root tree, because once X is up, everything will be run on the server. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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[TLUG] (remote) install fest
by taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ＠public.gmane.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 09:58:28PM -0500, William Park wrote: > > Incorrect. PXE is about getting a kernel loaded into memory, the same > > job and purpose as etherboot, netboot or romamatic. PXE facilitates > > LTSP it definitely does not obsolete it. > > Here we go again... After you boot and mount NFS root, you're looking > at the root tree that used to be local harddisk (except now it's > remote). You tell me why LTSP is necessary. Perhaps the workstations are decrepit and/or have too little memory to run apps and X at an appropriate speed. LTSP creates thin clients. Mounting your root filesystem over NFS creates a thick client, which runns all applications locally only saves you the cost of remote administration and hard disks. -- taa The three most dangerous things are a programmer with a soldering iron, a manager who codes, and a user who gets ideas. /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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[TLUG] (remote) install fest
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 09:01:49PM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote: > On December 17, 2003 05:03 pm, William Park wrote: > > > Actually, LTSP, Etherboot, Netboot, Rom-a-matic, and friends are > > pretty much obsolete now. With PXE support (ie. 3c905), you can > > boot and mount NFS root; after that, the client is looking at > > "normal" root tree as it would from local harddisk. > > Incorrect. PXE is about getting a kernel loaded into memory, the same > job and purpose as etherboot, netboot or romamatic. PXE facilitates > LTSP it definitely does not obsolete it. Here we go again... After you boot and mount NFS root, you're looking at the root tree that used to be local harddisk (except now it's remote). You tell me why LTSP is necessary. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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[TLUG] (remote) install fest
by fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On December 17, 2003 05:03 pm, William Park wrote: > Actually, LTSP, Etherboot, Netboot, Rom-a-matic, and friends are pretty > much obsolete now. With PXE support (ie. 3c905), you can boot and mount > NFS root; after that, the client is looking at "normal" root tree as it > would from local harddisk. Incorrect. PXE is about getting a kernel loaded into memory, the same job and purpose as etherboot, netboot or romamatic. PXE facilitates LTSP it definitely does not obsolete it. -- Fraser Campbell <fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Linux Perifinalia (sp)
by ssadams-cO7Vpxpd/wCZ9vWoFJJngh2eb7JE58TQ＠public.gmane.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi all Does anyone know a place in Toronto to buy Linux cups,mugs,shirts and other assorted things . TIA Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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[TLUG] (remote) install fest
by jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b＠public.gmane.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, William Park wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 04:52:45PM -0500, Andrew Malcolmson wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:56:42 -0500, William Park wrote: > > > > > I am interested in thin client aspect. I'm Slackware guy, but there > > > shouldn't be too much of difference with Debian, as long as XFree86 > > > and Kernel are uptodate. > > > > Yeah, the Linux Terminal Server project is the popular thing for this. > > Actually, LTSP, Etherboot, Netboot, Rom-a-matic, and friends are pretty > much obsolete now. With PXE support (ie. 3c905), you can boot and mount > NFS root; after that, the client is looking at "normal" root tree as it > would from local harddisk. I take it this only applies to newer machines? There's a ton of clunkers out there, perfect for a cheap network:) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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[TLUG] (remote) install fest
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 04:52:45PM -0500, Andrew Malcolmson wrote: > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:56:42 -0500, William Park wrote: > > > I am interested in thin client aspect. I'm Slackware guy, but there > > shouldn't be too much of difference with Debian, as long as XFree86 > > and Kernel are uptodate. > > Yeah, the Linux Terminal Server project is the popular thing for this. Actually, LTSP, Etherboot, Netboot, Rom-a-matic, and friends are pretty much obsolete now. With PXE support (ie. 3c905), you can boot and mount NFS root; after that, the client is looking at "normal" root tree as it would from local harddisk. > > > - How many PCs do you have for Linux X-terminal? If you don't have > > enough, then multiple cpu-less stations (ie. monitor/keyboard/mouse) > > can be set up. > > 10 or so. There's been a recent donation of low-end P1, 32M machines, > perfect for this. Excellent. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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