This isn't directly Linux-related, but it's a topic that's probably of interest to many on this list. https://tld-list.com/tlds-from-a-z That shows a list of all top-level domain names - which is interesting enough. But if you click on any given TLD, it shows you who owns it, the intended purpose, and the pricing ... not just the registration price and the renewal price now, but over time. Being as fascinated by this as I am requires a combination of a couple different geeky inclinations. I own several domains and also have often registered them for my work - but I'm also fascinated by words and ideas, and by the demand for them (here translated into dollar values for domain names). For example: .black and .green are apparently "cool" colours, because their registration cost is in the $50-$60 range. Other colours aren't as cool - eg. .pink which sells for ~$15. And some colours (eg. .yellow) don't exist at all. I guess no one thought they could make money off that domain. And this is before we get into the incredible and absurd diversity of domain names. .ninja anyone? (Its registration price is very low, but renewal costs more.) I could of course register gilesorr.recipes for all that cooking blogging that I do ... I'm curious: what's your pick for weirdest TLD? What's the strangest one you've actually seen in use? -- Giles https://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr@gmail.com
On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 08:45:15 -0400 Giles Orr via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
This isn't directly Linux-related, but it's a topic that's probably of interest to many on this list. https://tld-list.com/tlds-from-a-z That shows a list of all top-level domain names - which is interesting enough. But if you click on any given TLD, it shows you who owns it, the intended purpose, and the pricing ... not just the registration price and the renewal price now, but over time. Being as fascinated by this as I am requires a combination of a couple different geeky inclinations. I own several domains and also have often registered them for my work - but I'm also fascinated by words and ideas, and by the demand for them (here translated into dollar values for domain names). For example: .black and .green are apparently "cool" colours, because their registration cost is in the $50-$60 range. Other colours aren't as cool - eg. .pink which sells for ~$15. And some colours (eg. .yellow) don't exist at all. I guess no one thought they could make money off that domain.
it is all about someone actually doing the marketing and work, with enough marketing anything can become valuable and even useful. even .pink although... .pinky would have been cooler! brain.pinky would be my registration :)
And this is before we get into the incredible and absurd diversity of domain names. .ninja anyone? (Its registration price is very low, but renewal costs more.) I could of course register gilesorr.recipes for all that cooking blogging that I do ...
hahahaha, will not help you... your content will be stolen, re-worked and then your own original content will be flagged as duplicate and even ai generated, even if your recipe(s) were created by you from scratch and the abusive power will simply index gilesorr.recipes as low value rubbish
I'm curious: what's your pick for weirdest TLD? What's the strangest one you've actually seen in use?
strange is a matter of perspective and policy and sometimes truth is way way stranger than fiction. (and also very much directly related to language and culture) for myself, something unthinkable and very bad to just utter would be the word: machimba. For most of you this word does not even hold any meaning. for Spanish speakers it may simply be a word that refers to fruit. In some regions of Africa it may also be your neighbors last name :) so, at the writing of this drivel, there also is no machimba.com even... and it seems to exist only in one sub tld space but if I were to say or type something which you would choose to take offense at, this would be an entirely different case and you would 'feel' offended or may choose to become offended, for example: to native english speakers merde is not so bad as the word shit (and vice versa, of course. in my fav TLD, .me for example: balls.me is apparently very cool and cunts.me seems to be okay also similar to dick.me - but fuck.me is simply not allowed as that is offensive. Andre
On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 at 08:45, Giles Orr via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
What's the strangest one you've actually seen in use?
Not strange or a weird TLD but I always notice the sites that use the TLD as the last letters of words they want to spell, instead of the intended purpose of the TLD, for example https://www.YouTu.be -- Scott
On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 at 09:43, Scott Allen <mlxxxp@gmail.com> wrote:
for example https://www.YouTu.be
Actually, without the www. https://YouTube.be -- Scott
On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 at 09:46, Scott Allen <mlxxxp@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually, without the www. https://YouTube.be
Doh! still wrong https://Youtu.be -- Scott
I was deeply disappointed that I couldn't buy "cloa.ca". Whoever did buy it isn't even using that disgusting name yet. Not that I had any particular use in mind myself ... It's very hard to come up with words that end in "ca." Wow - no, it's not all that bad: `grep 'ca$' /usr/share/dict/words` Turns up 61 results, and who wouldn't want to register sciati.ca or eroti.ca (note that I haven't checked if these are registered). mec.ca _is_ registered - to Mountain Equipment Co-op, a company many of you are probably familiar with. Sadly (but unsurprisingly), both antarcti.ca and repli.ca aren't available. On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 at 09:44, Scott Allen <mlxxxp@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 at 08:45, Giles Orr via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
What's the strangest one you've actually seen in use?
Not strange or a weird TLD but I always notice the sites that use the TLD as the last letters of words they want to spell, instead of the intended purpose of the TLD, for example https://www.YouTu.be
-- Giles https://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr@gmail.com
Most "memorable" domains are an outright waste of money. Especially ones that are more cute or curious than memorable. Plus, remember that you can't own a domain, you're just renting it. Miss the rent and it goes to someone else, possibly a rival. In the era of first location-aware search engines and now AI-powered queries (not to mention QR codes and URL shorteners), domains are simply an inferior way to be found on the Internet. These days the non-vanity value of most domains seems to be shrinking as they're simply less necessary. But I guess the vanity factor cannot be dismissed. - Evan On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 11:00 AM Giles Orr via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I was deeply disappointed that I couldn't buy "cloa.ca". Whoever did buy it isn't even using that disgusting name yet. Not that I had any particular use in mind myself ... It's very hard to come up with words that end in "ca."
Wow - no, it's not all that bad:
`grep 'ca$' /usr/share/dict/words`
Turns up 61 results, and who wouldn't want to register sciati.ca or eroti.ca (note that I haven't checked if these are registered). mec.ca _is_ registered - to Mountain Equipment Co-op, a company many of you are probably familiar with. Sadly (but unsurprisingly), both antarcti.ca and repli.ca aren't available.
On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 at 09:44, Scott Allen <mlxxxp@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 at 08:45, Giles Orr via talk <talk@gtalug.org>
wrote:
What's the strangest one you've actually seen in use?
Not strange or a weird TLD but I always notice the sites that use the TLD as the last letters of words they want to spell, instead of the intended purpose of the TLD, for example https://www.YouTu.be
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On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 11:20 AM Evan Leibovitch via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Most "memorable" domains are an outright waste of money. Especially ones that are more cute or curious than memorable.
Plus, remember that you can't own a domain, you're just renting it. Miss the rent and it goes to someone else, possibly a rival.
In the era of first location-aware search engines and now AI-powered queries (not to mention QR codes and URL shorteners), domains are simply an inferior way to be found on the Internet. These days the non-vanity value of most domains seems to be shrinking as they're simply less necessary. But I guess the vanity factor cannot be dismissed.
- Evan
There is a tld called .richardli. Its owned by Hong Kong born, Canadian business guy Richard Li (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Li). Yes, he bought a vanity TLD just for himself. I guess his email address is me@richardli? I believe this is the only vanity TLD made. When ICANN opened up to allow new strings, I think the cost to register/apply for a TLD string was $250,000 US 10 years ago, plus partnering with a Registrar and other things. Andrew
This is a very interesting thread. I have a personal website, that I originally set up using my name, instead of the name of my production company which is g. a. f. Entertainment. I do have the domain gafentertainment.com but it is not hosted anywhere. Lewellen is welsh, and there are several different spellings. Imagine my surprise though learning there is another karen lewellen. My own site being www.karenlewellen.com Meant the other person ended up creating itskarenlewellen.com instead. Do not get me started on the gmail problems, I still get her stuff because when spoken I have to be careful not to answer the question what's your email address with its karen lewellen and so forth. Anyway, at the other end of the spectrum for me? When the nonprofit organization I worked for first chose a name the idea was to hype the name of our flagship radio series, Curtain Up! As we distributed Curtain Up! our founder decided curtain up distribution was a fine name..but this was before we had a web presence. giving my work email address is quite a dance, our site is www.curtainupdistribution.org ahem. Granted our Canadian office is a little better, www.commongroundmedia.ca But from a marketing and branding standpoint, we are a nonprofit newsroom, I have to work around the automatic assumption we do advocacy media, which we firmly do not do, its not really journalist integrity. My point is that there really can be far more than vanity in a domain name, especially when you want to be found, and fund raise, and so forth. Kare On Thu, 25 Jul 2024, Andrew Heagle via talk wrote:
On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 11:20 AM Evan Leibovitch via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Most "memorable" domains are an outright waste of money. Especially ones that are more cute or curious than memorable.
Plus, remember that you can't own a domain, you're just renting it. Miss the rent and it goes to someone else, possibly a rival.
In the era of first location-aware search engines and now AI-powered queries (not to mention QR codes and URL shorteners), domains are simply an inferior way to be found on the Internet. These days the non-vanity value of most domains seems to be shrinking as they're simply less necessary. But I guess the vanity factor cannot be dismissed.
- Evan
There is a tld called .richardli. Its owned by Hong Kong born, Canadian business guy Richard Li (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Li). Yes, he bought a vanity TLD just for himself. I guess his email address is me@richardli? I believe this is the only vanity TLD made.
When ICANN opened up to allow new strings, I think the cost to register/apply for a TLD string was $250,000 US 10 years ago, plus partnering with a Registrar and other things.
Andrew
On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 12:03 PM Karen Lewellen via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I have a personal website, that I originally set up using my name, instead of the name of my production company which is g. a. f. Entertainment. I do have the domain gafentertainment.com but it is not hosted anywhere. Lewellen is welsh, and there are several different spellings.
All of the Welsh Llewllyns I know (a few, from my wife's history) have four Ls and a Y in their spelling. (But then I'm not one to talk. There are more Leibowitz's than Leibovitch's out there, but they all trace the same Romanian roots.) I got leibovitch.ca and evanleibovitch.com ages ago but have never really used them. The latter I may keep for defensive purposes just in case I really piss someone off; I'm getting old but there's still time. A surprising number of domains are unused and just kept for defensive purposes (ie, I won't use it but I don't want anyone else to have it either).
Imagine my surprise though learning there is another karen lewellen. My own site being www.karenlewellen.com Meant the other person ended up creating itskarenlewellen.com instead.
Or she could have done karenlewellen.ca (if she was Canadian), karenlewellen.co.uk (if British), karenlelellen.org or karenlewellen.something-else That's the whole point of the new TLDs, dot-com doesn't have to be the make-or-break TLD anymore (though it is still the preferred default). My solution these days to unavailable first-choice domains is to add punctuation, for instance karen-lewellen.com is available and works fine. Do not get me started on the gmail problems, I still get her stuff
That's the biggest flaw of domains versus search. Search engines can add context such as location. There is only one joespizza.com in the world and it's in Los Angeles. The most famous Joe's Pizza had to settle for joespizzanyc.com because the California place registered first. But searching "Joe's Pizza near me" will almost always come up with something more useful wherever you are, when used here offering one in Brampton (joesbigpizza.ca)
When the nonprofit organization I worked for first chose a name the idea was to hype the name of our flagship radio series, Curtain Up! As we distributed Curtain Up! our founder decided curtain up distribution was a fine name..but this was before we had a web presence. giving my work email address is quite a dance, our site is www.curtainupdistribution.org ahem.
Domain names are the least of this organization's problems, as a casual search reveals the term "curtain up" is used in major contexts within the London and Broadway theatre scenes. Good and distinct naming for an organization is way more off-topic and out of scope than this thread has already evolved. Any domain problems here are symptoms and not causes. My point is that there really can be far more than vanity in a domain
name, especially when you want to be found, and fund raise, and so forth.
You're confusing domain names with corporate identity. A domain name is just a tool, not the identity, except for those few and diminishing companies whose domain name IS the company name (such as " pets.com"). Creating a functional corporate identity, which includes but is not limited to branding, is a much bigger deal than the domain name chosen. - Evan
Hi Evan, Lots of great stuff here. My late father used to joke that our family could only afford the letter e, so no letters like y , u or so forth. Curtain Up Distribution produces programs on musical theatre, so the connection resonates with our show content. I got karenlewellen.com more than 20 years ago now. at that time, I do not feel using punctuation marks in domains was that popular? I might just have to snap up karen-lewellen.com however. Kare On Thu, 25 Jul 2024, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 12:03 PM Karen Lewellen via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I have a personal website, that I originally set up using my name, instead of the name of my production company which is g. a. f. Entertainment. I do have the domain gafentertainment.com but it is not hosted anywhere. Lewellen is welsh, and there are several different spellings.
All of the Welsh Llewllyns I know (a few, from my wife's history) have four Ls and a Y in their spelling. (But then I'm not one to talk. There are more Leibowitz's than Leibovitch's out there, but they all trace the same Romanian roots.)
I got leibovitch.ca and evanleibovitch.com ages ago but have never really used them. The latter I may keep for defensive purposes just in case I really piss someone off; I'm getting old but there's still time. A surprising number of domains are unused and just kept for defensive purposes (ie, I won't use it but I don't want anyone else to have it either).
Imagine my surprise though learning there is another karen lewellen. My own site being www.karenlewellen.com Meant the other person ended up creating itskarenlewellen.com instead.
Or she could have done karenlewellen.ca (if she was Canadian), karenlewellen.co.uk (if British), karenlelellen.org or karenlewellen.something-else
That's the whole point of the new TLDs, dot-com doesn't have to be the make-or-break TLD anymore (though it is still the preferred default). My solution these days to unavailable first-choice domains is to add punctuation, for instance karen-lewellen.com is available and works fine.
Do not get me started on the gmail problems, I still get her stuff
That's the biggest flaw of domains versus search. Search engines can add context such as location.
There is only one joespizza.com in the world and it's in Los Angeles. The most famous Joe's Pizza had to settle for joespizzanyc.com because the California place registered first.
But searching "Joe's Pizza near me" will almost always come up with something more useful wherever you are, when used here offering one in Brampton (joesbigpizza.ca)
When the nonprofit organization I worked for first chose a name the idea was to hype the name of our flagship radio series, Curtain Up! As we distributed Curtain Up! our founder decided curtain up distribution was a fine name..but this was before we had a web presence. giving my work email address is quite a dance, our site is www.curtainupdistribution.org ahem.
Domain names are the least of this organization's problems, as a casual search reveals the term "curtain up" is used in major contexts within the London and Broadway theatre scenes. Good and distinct naming for an organization is way more off-topic and out of scope than this thread has already evolved. Any domain problems here are symptoms and not causes.
My point is that there really can be far more than vanity in a domain
name, especially when you want to be found, and fund raise, and so forth.
You're confusing domain names with corporate identity.
A domain name is just a tool, not the identity, except for those few and diminishing companies whose domain name IS the company name (such as " pets.com"). Creating a functional corporate identity, which includes but is not limited to branding, is a much bigger deal than the domain name chosen.
- Evan
On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 6:13 PM Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> wrote:
I do not feel using punctuation marks in domains was that popular?
You are correct. Using punctuation in a domain has never been popular and it still isn't, really. And they're awful for the resale market, speculators hate them. But those factors are exactly why domains using punctuation are so easy to get if your first choice is taken. They're fully functional, completely distinct from the non-hyphenated version as far as the DNS is concerned, and web crawlers will index them just as well. - Evan
There's always the .pizza domain now. Joes.pizza is not available but variations like nycJoes.pizza for $20 tho I think the renewal will be way more. Gotta think renewal price, not an deal for only the first year, unless you are planning it to be disposable. On Thu, Jul 25, 2024, at 3:56 PM, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote:
On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 12:03 PM Karen Lewellen via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I have a personal website, that I originally set up using my name, instead of the name of my production company which is g. a. f. Entertainment. I do have the domain gafentertainment.com but it is not hosted anywhere. Lewellen is welsh, and there are several different spellings.
All of the Welsh Llewllyns I know (a few, from my wife's history) have four Ls and a Y in their spelling. (But then I'm not one to talk. There are more Leibowitz's than Leibovitch's out there, but they all trace the same Romanian roots.)
I got leibovitch.ca and evanleibovitch.com ages ago but have never really used them. The latter I may keep for defensive purposes just in case I really piss someone off; I'm getting old but there's still time. A surprising number of domains are unused and just kept for defensive purposes (ie, I won't use it but I don't want anyone else to have it either).
Imagine my surprise though learning there is another karen lewellen. My own site being www.karenlewellen.com Meant the other person ended up creating itskarenlewellen.com instead.
Or she could have done karenlewellen.ca (if she was Canadian), karenlewellen.co.uk (if British), karenlelellen.org or karenlewellen.something-else
That's the whole point of the new TLDs, dot-com doesn't have to be the make-or-break TLD anymore (though it is still the preferred default). My solution these days to unavailable first-choice domains is to add punctuation, for instance karen-lewellen.com is available and works fine.
Do not get me started on the gmail problems, I still get her stuff
That's the biggest flaw of domains versus search. Search engines can add context such as location.
There is only one joespizza.com in the world and it's in Los Angeles. The most famous Joe's Pizza had to settle for joespizzanyc.com because the California place registered first.
But searching "Joe's Pizza near me" will almost always come up with something more useful wherever you are, when used here offering one in Brampton (joesbigpizza.ca)
When the nonprofit organization I worked for first chose a name the idea was to hype the name of our flagship radio series, Curtain Up! As we distributed Curtain Up! our founder decided curtain up distribution was a fine name..but this was before we had a web presence. giving my work email address is quite a dance, our site is www.curtainupdistribution.org ahem.
Domain names are the least of this organization's problems, as a casual search reveals the term "curtain up" is used in major contexts within the London and Broadway theatre scenes. Good and distinct naming for an organization is way more off-topic and out of scope than this thread has already evolved. Any domain problems here are symptoms and not causes.
My point is that there really can be far more than vanity in a domain name, especially when you want to be found, and fund raise, and so forth.
You're confusing domain names with corporate identity.
A domain name is just a tool, not the identity, except for those few and diminishing companies whose domain name IS the company name (such as "pets.com"). Creating a functional corporate identity, which includes but is not limited to branding, is a much bigger deal than the domain name chosen.
- Evan
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On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 10:59:38AM -0400, Giles Orr via talk wrote:
mec.ca _is_ registered - to Mountain Equipment Co-op, a company many of you are probably familiar with.
Well now called Mountain Equipment Company. It was sold off in 2020 to a private company. Seems covid plus bad management decisions made then bankrupt. Selling it off meant the stores stuck around and the workers got to keep their jobs but we lost the co-op. -- Len Sorensen
grep 'ca$' /usr/share/dict/words|tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]'|sort -u|sed 's/ca$/.ca/'|while read x;do ping -c1 $x >/dev/null 2>&1 || echo $x;done but ping isn't very good at seeing if something is registered... and `whois` doesn't seem to have an error code. Any suggestions on a CLI way to check if a domain is registered? ../Dave On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 at 10:59, Giles Orr via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I was deeply disappointed that I couldn't buy "cloa.ca". Whoever did buy it isn't even using that disgusting name yet. Not that I had any particular use in mind myself ... It's very hard to come up with words that end in "ca."
Wow - no, it's not all that bad:
`grep 'ca$' /usr/share/dict/words`
Turns up 61 results, and who wouldn't want to register sciati.ca or eroti.ca (note that I haven't checked if these are registered). mec.ca _is_ registered - to Mountain Equipment Co-op, a company many of you are probably familiar with. Sadly (but unsurprisingly), both antarcti.ca and repli.ca aren't available.
On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 at 09:44, Scott Allen <mlxxxp@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 at 08:45, Giles Orr via talk <talk@gtalug.org>
wrote:
What's the strangest one you've actually seen in use?
Not strange or a weird TLD but I always notice the sites that use the TLD as the last letters of words they want to spell, instead of the intended purpose of the TLD, for example https://www.YouTu.be
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On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 at 16:20, Scott Allen <mlxxxp@gmail.com> wrote:
On second thought, maybe not. It looks like there isn't a standard for how whois servers indicate if a domain has been registered or not.
Doing a grep on whois output for "Registrar:" (perhaps case insensitive) might be fairly reliable. -- Scott
On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 at 16:38, Scott Allen <mlxxxp@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 at 16:27, Scott Allen <mlxxxp@gmail.com> wrote: Doing a grep on whois output for "Registrar:" (perhaps case insensitive) might be fairly reliable. Even that doesn't always work. E.g.: whois abc.de I give up (on using whois, at least).
This is assuming you want something that will work for any TLD. For a single given TLD, the whois output should be consistent enough that you could figure out something to determine if a domain is registered or not. For instance, for the .ca domain it looks like just checking the first output line for "Not found:" is sufficient to indicate a domain hasn't been registered. -- Scott
Wouldn’t checking for DNS NS record existence be a much easier way? Not all TLDs have Whois, but everyone uses DNS -nick On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 17:02 Scott Allen via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 at 16:38, Scott Allen <mlxxxp@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 at 16:27, Scott Allen <mlxxxp@gmail.com> wrote: Doing a grep on whois output for "Registrar:" (perhaps case insensitive) might be fairly reliable. Even that doesn't always work. E.g.: whois abc.de I give up (on using whois, at least).
This is assuming you want something that will work for any TLD. For a single given TLD, the whois output should be consistent enough that you could figure out something to determine if a domain is registered or not.
For instance, for the .ca domain it looks like just checking the first output line for "Not found:" is sufficient to indicate a domain hasn't been registered.
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On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 at 17:04, Nick Accad <naccad@gmail.com> wrote:
Wouldn’t checking for DNS NS record existence be a much easier way?
Does a registered domain have to have a record on a nameserver or can it just be reserved under the registrar without an NS record or any other associations? -- Scott
Thanks, whois -cca $x | grep -q '^Not found:' && echo $x works well.... at least until the whois connect starts timing out. ../Dave On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 at 17:02, Scott Allen <mlxxxp@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 at 16:38, Scott Allen <mlxxxp@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 at 16:27, Scott Allen <mlxxxp@gmail.com> wrote: Doing a grep on whois output for "Registrar:" (perhaps case insensitive) might be fairly reliable. Even that doesn't always work. E.g.: whois abc.de I give up (on using whois, at least).
This is assuming you want something that will work for any TLD. For a single given TLD, the whois output should be consistent enough that you could figure out something to determine if a domain is registered or not.
For instance, for the .ca domain it looks like just checking the first output line for "Not found:" is sufficient to indicate a domain hasn't been registered.
-- Scott
I use a quick search tool at my registrar, rebel.com. For any given string of characters, it will instantly check its availability in many, many TLDs - generic ones and country ones being sold as generics - and provide availability and pricing. (including when a TLD marks a string as "premium" so the registry can earn the speculation bonus instead of a reseller) It just checks whether the domains are taken, not whether or how they're in use. I know it's not CLI; you may get better results using `dig` than `ping` or `whois` if going that route. - Evan On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 4:05 PM David Mason via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
grep 'ca$' /usr/share/dict/words|tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]'|sort -u|sed 's/ca$/.ca/'|while read x;do ping -c1 $x >/dev/null 2>&1 || echo $x;done
but ping isn't very good at seeing if something is registered... and `whois` doesn't seem to have an error code.
Any suggestions on a CLI way to check if a domain is registered?
../Dave
On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 8:46 AM Giles Orr via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
For example: .black and .green are apparently "cool" colours, because their registration cost is in the $50-$60 range.
Think like a marketer. Because it's marketers who are peddling domains as branding tools, and choosing which gTLDs to create. Dot-green was sold as a way for companies to demonstrate eco-awareness (think "exxon.green"), some would call this greenwashing. Originally there were some standards required from anyone wanting a dot-green domain but those are gone and anyone can get one. Dot-black is intended to be used by an identified cultural community, similarly to dot-gay or dot-mormon. Sometimes there is confusion. The dot-la domain is actually the country TLD for Laos, but has been marketed first as a Latino community TLD, and when that didn't work the marketers shifted focus and it's now being peddled as the TLD for Los Angeles <https://www.la/>. There might even be Laotians using it too. Indeed, there are many countries that have allowed marketers to peddle their TLDs like generics. The Columbian TLD, dot-CO, has been used by GoDaddy and others as a fallback to those who can't get what they want under dot-com. Others have famously brought revenue to tiny jurisdictions such as Tuvalu (dot-TV) and French Micronesia (dot-FM). And how many people using bit.ly know that some of the revenue from that company funnels back to Libya? I'm curious: what's your pick for weirdest TLD? What's the strangest one
you've actually seen in use?
I think my favourites are dot-wtf and dot-sucks, though neither is living up to potential. Weirdest to me is dot-cat because it has nothing to do with felines but is instead used for Catalonia. - Evan
Someone should register example.eg On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 10:28 Evan Leibovitch via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 8:46 AM Giles Orr via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
For example: .black and .green are apparently "cool" colours, because their registration cost is in the $50-$60 range.
Think like a marketer. Because it's marketers who are peddling domains as branding tools, and choosing which gTLDs to create.
Dot-green was sold as a way for companies to demonstrate eco-awareness (think "exxon.green"), some would call this greenwashing. Originally there were some standards required from anyone wanting a dot-green domain but those are gone and anyone can get one.
Dot-black is intended to be used by an identified cultural community, similarly to dot-gay or dot-mormon.
Sometimes there is confusion. The dot-la domain is actually the country TLD for Laos, but has been marketed first as a Latino community TLD, and when that didn't work the marketers shifted focus and it's now being peddled as the TLD for Los Angeles <https://www.la/>. There might even be Laotians using it too.
Indeed, there are many countries that have allowed marketers to peddle their TLDs like generics. The Columbian TLD, dot-CO, has been used by GoDaddy and others as a fallback to those who can't get what they want under dot-com. Others have famously brought revenue to tiny jurisdictions such as Tuvalu (dot-TV) and French Micronesia (dot-FM). And how many people using bit.ly know that some of the revenue from that company funnels back to Libya?
I'm curious: what's your pick for weirdest TLD? What's the strangest one
you've actually seen in use?
I think my favourites are dot-wtf and dot-sucks, though neither is living up to potential.
Weirdest to me is dot-cat because it has nothing to do with felines but is instead used for Catalonia.
- Evan
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On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 10:28 AM Evan Leibovitch via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 8:46 AM Giles Orr via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
For example: .black and .green are apparently "cool" colours, because their registration cost is in the $50-$60 range.
Think like a marketer. Because it's marketers who are peddling domains as branding tools, and choosing which gTLDs to create.
Dot-black is intended to be used by an identified cultural community, similarly to dot-gay or dot-mormon.
Originally, the intent for .black wasn't for the black community, but about "sophistication". You can see it in the .black FAQs.
Sometimes there is confusion. The dot-la domain is actually the country TLD for Laos, but has been marketed first as a Latino community TLD, and when that didn't work the marketers shifted focus and it's now being peddled as the TLD for Los Angeles <https://www.la/>. There might even be Laotians using it too.
I remember there used to be quite a few .TO (Tonga) domains for Toronto based businesses. Haven't noticed too many lately.
I'm curious: what's your pick for weirdest TLD? What's the strangest one
you've actually seen in use?
Afilias registered a few TLDs when they opened it up. I thought one of the
weirdest was .kim, which is specifically targeted towards Korean people with the "Kim" family name. I don't think there are any others like that, although, my brother-in-law's last name is Pink.
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I use Porkbun as my registrar, and I'm a sucker for picking up a ".space" domain when they have their $1.99 deals. :-) Libre Space Foundation - https://libre.space/ - might be of interest to some on this list and is an entirely fitting use of the .space domain. .diy domains might prove popular for creators of HOWTOs and kit builders. TLD-LIST states it hasn't been officially launched yet, but Porkbun already has a first year sale on the domain: https://porkbun.com/tld/diy On Thu, Jul 25, 2024, at 08:45, Giles Orr via talk wrote:
This isn't directly Linux-related, but it's a topic that's probably of interest to many on this list.
https://tld-list.com/tlds-from-a-z
That shows a list of all top-level domain names - which is interesting enough. But if you click on any given TLD, it shows you who owns it, the intended purpose, and the pricing ... not just the registration price and the renewal price now, but over time. Being as fascinated by this as I am requires a combination of a couple different geeky inclinations. I own several domains and also have often registered them for my work - but I'm also fascinated by words and ideas, and by the demand for them (here translated into dollar values for domain names).
For example: .black and .green are apparently "cool" colours, because their registration cost is in the $50-$60 range. Other colours aren't as cool - eg. .pink which sells for ~$15. And some colours (eg. .yellow) don't exist at all. I guess no one thought they could make money off that domain.
And this is before we get into the incredible and absurd diversity of domain names. .ninja anyone? (Its registration price is very low, but renewal costs more.) I could of course register gilesorr.recipes for all that cooking blogging that I do ...
I'm curious: what's your pick for weirdest TLD? What's the strangest one you've actually seen in use?
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On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 8:55 PM Daniel Wayne Armstrong via talk < talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I'm a sucker for picking up a ".space" domain when they have their $1.99 deals. :-)
Careful. Such deals are common (also see dot-click and dot-xyz), but only ever for the first year. This is great if you're in tryout mode. But always check the renewal rate for year two and beyond, most of these are more expensive than dot-com beyond the promotion. Another problem with these cheap-first-year TLDs is that their domains are very popular with bad actors who buy swarms of them as disposable, with no intention to use them for more than a month or two, for phishing activities. As a result they are often on blacklist sites so using them to send email might be problematic. Just do your due diligence and be clear what purposes you need the domain for. - Evan
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