On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 at 11:44, D. Hugh Redelmeier via Talk <talk@lists.gtalug.org> wrote:
From: Steve Litt via Talk <talk@lists.gtalug.org>
X11 support will be phased out of future Fedora distributions. Apparently X11 is buggy, and no one wants to maintain it.
Leave it to Redhat to use the "buggy/we won't maintain" excuse for eliminating choices. If they're so allergic to "buggy", why do they insist on their pet systemd?
X11 unmaintained. It is foolish to continue using it. Wayland is the replacement, from the same project.
Wayland has been stable for years.
Anything that requires X11 probably has been unmaintained too. Most applications written for X11 can work under Wayland with the emulation. I take it that the tough things to port are window managers. There are a bunch of compositors (window managers) that do work with Wayland.
Found by googling:
From our own Giles Orr: The Comprehensive List of Wayland Compositors for Unix <https://www.gilesorr.com/wm/table.html>
Yup, that's out there. :-)
here's a list of software for Wayland, starting off with compositors: <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/List_of_software_for_Wayland>
I still have some gripes with Wayland myself: - Wayland is more cautious about letting remote machines or other applications take control of the screen. This is probably good, but in practice this means that if you use Input-Leap ( https://github.com/input-leap/input-leap ... descendant of Synergy and Barrier) - which I do, extensively - you can use KDE and Gnome in Wayland, but none of the "alternative" compositors because the connection isn't allowed - in X11, the keyboard layout was configured in one place. In Wayland, it has to be configured in a different way in every single compositor (if they support it at all!) - screen locking is a genuine pain-in-the-ass in some alternative compositors: it used to be "install XScreenSaver and get locking for free" for all your window managers, but Wayland doesn't support screensavers, so again if you want screen-locking without pain, you'd better install KDE or Gnome (If I'm actively wrong about any of these things, feel free to set me right. It will probably make me genuinely happy.) With all that said, and considering where this thread started, I'm still steadily migrating my systems to Wayland. Even Linux has some Borg-like properties: you can resist for a while, but the reality is that eventually you'll have to move to Wayland because - as noted several times in this discussion - pretty much every piece of X11 software in existence is or will soon be unmaintained. Change hurts, but this is technology - there is no painless path (unless Apple's anesthetic ecosystem works for you ... in which case more power to you). -- Giles https://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr@gmail.com