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SOT: shitfs in spam trends and topics
by kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

> In article <20031202130036.8DF5F4054-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org>, cbbrowne at acm.org > wrote: >>The odd trend I have been seeing is for there to be large numbers of >>spam messages that seem totally futile. There's no way of contacting >>them to buy their services. No URLs. No valid return address. No way >>for the message to be of any value whatever, supposing I _did_ want to >>increase my breasts by a couple of sizes. > > Two possibilities I can imagine. > > 1. Spammers acutely aware that they are wrong, and defying > the world to catch them, even if it means losing a sale. > > 2. Steganography. You forgot 3. 3. By attempting to respond to them, you have just varified your email address so they can sell that email address to other spammers. -- Keith -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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dangerous spam
by kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

> > I just got spam saying I should update my paypal account with the > supplied 'secure' application, and attached a file named > www.paypal.com.scr. > Wonderful social engineering (the src suggests secure ?!) .scr is an executable extension for a screensaver, most likely a virus or trojan for windoh$. -- Keith -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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dangerous spam
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

I just got spam saying I should update my paypal account with the supplied 'secure' application, and attached a file named www.paypal.com.scr. Wonderful social engineering (the src suggests secure ?!) Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SOT: shitfs in spam trends and topics
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Mel Wilson wrote: > Two possibilities I can imagine. > > 1. Spammers acutely aware that they are wrong, and defying > the world to catch them, even if it means losing a sale. > > 2. Steganography. And a third: bad setup of the spam mailer (which I understand has some special settings that get updated by mail from 'mother' from time to time). I have never seen a spam mailer so consider this hearsay. Some spam I get has so bad a MIME encapsulation that it appears as plain text. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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KDE/Mandrake 9.1
by cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

Tim Writer wrote: >JoeHill <joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org> writes: > > > >>On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 11:19:27 -0500 >>Clive DaSilva <cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org> wrote: >> >> >> >>>Had a really weird experience yesterday. I have been running mandrake >>>9.1 with the stock kernel 2.4.21-013mdk, for perhaps 3 months. >>>I read an advisory which suggested that I upgraded the kernel to >>>2.4.21-026mdk, (all nicely packaged by the Drake folks), as a >>>preventative measure against some root exploits. I use KDE 3.1 as the >>>window manager, and since I've installed this kernel, KDE sometimes >>>doesn't come up when I login as a user (it just hangs), or it comes up >>>and crashes within 5 minutes. I have since been using IceWM as my backup >>>window manager. Now, I've kept the old kernel, so I have a choice of >>>kernels to boot from. When I try to run KDE using the old kernel, it >>>crashes too. >>> >>> >>I haven't seen anything like this come up on any of the Mandrake lists, but I >>would suggest asking as well on Expert. >> >>Do you see anything in /var/log/messages or /var/log/XFree86.0.log? >> >>It could be that KDE was compiled against the old kernel and is pitching a fit >>now that newer modules are being loaded, though why when you boot into the *old* >>kernel would hence be a mystery. >> >> > >Someone here had a similar problem using a new motherboard with a not yet >well supported video adapter. Only the VESA driver worked but KDE kept >crashing. Could the new Mandrake kernel have some graphics related drivers >that could be triggering the problem? I'm thinking particulary about things >like DRM. Use lsmod to compare the modules loaded with the old kernel >against those loaded with the new kernel. > > > Thanks Tim, Will try out some of those suggestions Clive -- Clive DaSilva CMA Home Tel: 416-421-2480 Cell: 416-560-8820 Email: cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mandrake Linux 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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KDE/Mandrake 9.1
by tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

JoeHill <joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org> writes: > On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 11:19:27 -0500 > Clive DaSilva <cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > Had a really weird experience yesterday. I have been running mandrake > > 9.1 with the stock kernel 2.4.21-013mdk, for perhaps 3 months. > > I read an advisory which suggested that I upgraded the kernel to > > 2.4.21-026mdk, (all nicely packaged by the Drake folks), as a > > preventative measure against some root exploits. I use KDE 3.1 as the > > window manager, and since I've installed this kernel, KDE sometimes > > doesn't come up when I login as a user (it just hangs), or it comes up > > and crashes within 5 minutes. I have since been using IceWM as my backup > > window manager. Now, I've kept the old kernel, so I have a choice of > > kernels to boot from. When I try to run KDE using the old kernel, it > > crashes too. > > I haven't seen anything like this come up on any of the Mandrake lists, but I > would suggest asking as well on Expert. > > Do you see anything in /var/log/messages or /var/log/XFree86.0.log? > > It could be that KDE was compiled against the old kernel and is pitching a fit > now that newer modules are being loaded, though why when you boot into the *old* > kernel would hence be a mystery. Someone here had a similar problem using a new motherboard with a not yet well supported video adapter. Only the VESA driver worked but KDE kept crashing. Could the new Mandrake kernel have some graphics related drivers that could be triggering the problem? I'm thinking particulary about things like DRM. Use lsmod to compare the modules loaded with the old kernel against those loaded with the new kernel. -- tim writer <tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SOT: shitfs in spam trends and topics
by hughreilly1-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

Just re-reading my post. To be clear, I don't mean at all to sound like I'm advocating disrupting the Internet to preserve traditional power bases. Rather, I mean to suggest that we who value democracy and responsibility through decentralization should be aware that there may be incentive for certain bad guys to undermine the Internet and its decentralizing effect. -Hugh _______________________________________________ Hugh Reilly XEN Technology Group | LinuxLab 600 Bay Street, Suite 405 Toronto ON M5R 1G6 tel: 416-204-9951 fax: 416-204-9723 email: info-2K4XOyu7qTosA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org _______________________________________________ http://www.xen.ca | http://www.linuxlab.ca >From: "Hugh Reilly" <hughreilly1-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> >Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >Subject: Re: [TLUG]: SOT: shitfs in spam trends and topics >Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:10:46 -0500 > >>From: Matthew Rice <matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> >>Are you suggesting that we are receiving unintelligible e-mail because >>some >>group [terrorists, fbi, cia, csis] are trying to send messages to each >>other. Do you supposed that they are sending a lot of them and getting >>the >>e-mail addresses wrong or that they are sending a lot of them to confuse >>the >>trail to the intended recipient? >> >>If you were to ask me, I'd say that this is similar to the book _Snow >>Crash_. >>Microsoft is sending out these seemingly unintelligible e-mails and anyone >>that looks at them has their brain 're-wired' into liking M$. >> >> "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't out >> to get you." > >A couple of notes to feed the paranoia: >1. One of my jobs is to handle incoming customer email at the Toronto Sun. >Of course, 90%+ is spam. Many of these messages contain "nonsense" >verbiage, I think designed to outfox spam blocking. But reading this >"nonsense" can often give the impression that the creator is not operating >in a strictly mercantile role. > >2. A few years ago, I presented a paper at the McLuhan Program on the >"Information Ecology", wherein I described how the emerging Internet was a >radically decentralizing force which was undermining traditional power >structures, and that disrupting the Internet was a logical strategy for >maintaining traditional power base. It seems the spam epidemic is certainly >undermining the value of email. For example, I now tell Sun customers that >"just because you sent the email is no guarantee that we received the >email". If spam blocking becomes the norm, we can expect that 5% +/- of >legitimate emails just won't get through. > >-Hugh > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi… > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms… -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SOT: shitfs in spam trends and topics
by matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson) writes: > Two possibilities I can imagine. > > 2. Steganography. Are you suggesting that we are receiving unintelligible e-mail because some group [terrorists, fbi, cia, csis] are trying to send messages to each other. Do you supposed that they are sending a lot of them and getting the e-mail addresses wrong or that they are sending a lot of them to confuse the trail to the intended recipient? If you were to ask me, I'd say that this is similar to the book _Snow Crash_. Microsoft is sending out these seemingly unintelligible e-mails and anyone that looks at them has their brain 're-wired' into liking M$. "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you." TTYL, -- matthew rice <matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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KDE/Mandrake 9.1
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 11:19:27 -0500 Clive DaSilva <cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org> wrote: > Had a really weird experience yesterday. I have been running mandrake > 9.1 with the stock kernel 2.4.21-013mdk, for perhaps 3 months. > I read an advisory which suggested that I upgraded the kernel to > 2.4.21-026mdk, (all nicely packaged by the Drake folks), as a > preventative measure against some root exploits. I use KDE 3.1 as the > window manager, and since I've installed this kernel, KDE sometimes > doesn't come up when I login as a user (it just hangs), or it comes up > and crashes within 5 minutes. I have since been using IceWM as my backup > window manager. Now, I've kept the old kernel, so I have a choice of > kernels to boot from. When I try to run KDE using the old kernel, it > crashes too. I haven't seen anything like this come up on any of the Mandrake lists, but I would suggest asking as well on Expert. Do you see anything in /var/log/messages or /var/log/XFree86.0.log? It could be that KDE was compiled against the old kernel and is pitching a fit now that newer modules are being loaded, though why when you boot into the *old* kernel would hence be a mystery. -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding." -- John Kenneth Galbraith -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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KDE/Mandrake 9.1
by cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q＠public.gmane.org 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

Hello Had a really weird experience yesterday. I have been running mandrake 9.1 with the stock kernel 2.4.21-013mdk, for perhaps 3 months. I read an advisory which suggested that I upgraded the kernel to 2.4.21-026mdk, (all nicely packaged by the Drake folks), as a preventative measure against some root exploits. I use KDE 3.1 as the window manager, and since I've installed this kernel, KDE sometimes doesn't come up when I login as a user (it just hangs), or it comes up and crashes within 5 minutes. I have since been using IceWM as my backup window manager. Now, I've kept the old kernel, so I have a choice of kernels to boot from. When I try to run KDE using the old kernel, it crashes too. My question is, has anyone had a similar experience like this? I could stick with IceWM for now or use another window manager like XFCE, but I'm really curious about this. Any ideas, folks ? Clive -- Clive DaSilva CMA Home Tel: 416-421-2480 Cell: 416-560-8820 Email: cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mandrake Linux 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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