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*Really* bad week for SCO
by glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

To short a stock, first you need to find a broker with shares you can borrow. You don't just go up to the broker and say, "I want to sell shares I don't even own!" (You theoretically CAN do a "naked short", that is, short without having the shares, but that is for truly sophisticated investors who are essentially their own brokers. I strongly suspect the typical investor in this mailing list doesn't fit that description - I know I don't.) Now, many people on the SCOX board on Yahoo have been indicating they're finding it tough to get SCOX shares to short. Part of the reason is that short interest on this sucker is very high already, at around 22%. Another thing to consider is the danger of a "short squeeze", where the stock is pumped up to the skies in an effort to force shorts to cover at a high price (forcing the stock price even higher). This is a low-volume, easily manipulated stock, which makes the risks of a short squeeze very high. It is a wonderful stock to STAY THE H*LL AWAY FROM. His Lordship Mayhem -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Ian Goldberg Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 7:12 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: *Really* bad week for SCO On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 05:33:16PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > That begs the question; are there any investment wizards in the group > who know how to "short" a stock and, thus" reap the reward for > predicting SCOs (and soon enough M$s) swan dive ? Shorting a stock is trivially easy. Just go to your friendly online broker website, and sell some. [Note: not all stocks are allowed to be shorted, but I don't think SCOX is one of them.] Shorting is nothing more than owning a negative number of shares of a stock. [Technically, owing a number of shares of a stock to some unspecified person, but you don't care who that person is.] When you sell 100 shares of SCOX at $15, you end up with $1500 and -100 shares of SCOX. If SCOX drops to $5, you buy back 100 shares of it for $500, and you've made a $1000 profit (and now have 0 shares of SCOX). But if instead, unbeknownst to everyone, SCOX has been using the lawsuit as a smokescreen to hide its super-secret research efforts into real-time widget operating systems, and announces the Best Thing Ever (TM), its stock price may jump to $50, and if you hold -100 of them, you'll now have to pay $5000 to close out your position, and you're in the hole big time. - Ian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Speaker Tommorrow Night
by nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

> A small neighborhood caffe, with coffee, panini and stuff. > A website, a php jukebox and a WiFi access point (free with food) > A handful of fixed terminals and laptops-for-rent. > Point Of Sale, security systems and accounting > all running as thin clients, on linux. Maybe I missed it, but what's the location??? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Speaker Tommorrow Night
by lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, David J Patrick wrote: >sysadmin 4 food ? espresssssso ?? Sounds good for me. :-) -- Stephan Paul Arif Sahari Wibowo _____ _____ _____ _____ /____ /____/ /____/ /____ _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Question about the meeting
by lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, David J Patrick wrote: >TTC to College & McCaul, then cut north into the University grounds.. > .. ask a fresh faced student how to get to the Galbraith building. Anybody have some estimate on how long it tooks for TTC from Don Mills Station? Thanks! -- Stephan Paul Arif Sahari Wibowo _____ _____ _____ _____ /____ /____/ /____/ /____ _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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central mail
by lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Chris Aitken wrote: >I now need to move to a system by which I can see the same >email from two different PCs. If your e-mail provider provide IMAP service, just setup your MUA to use IMAP to access your e-mails. If not, then you can pull the mail to one computer using fetchmail, and then setup that computer to be IMAP server. Set the MUA on the other computer to access the email using IMAP. This assuming the other computer can connect to the first computer, either both in one LAN, or the first computer have real Internet address. -- Stephan Paul Arif Sahari Wibowo _____ _____ _____ _____ /____ /____/ /____/ /____ _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Speaker Tommorrow Night
by davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

Robert Brockway wrote: >How would you feel about fleshing the talk out and doing it as a full >scale talk next month rather than doing a quick one tommorrow night? > >If you'd rather do a quick one tommorrow night I'm happy with that also. > >Rob > > > I think doing it next month is probably a better idea. I will have my act (a little more) together and the reno will be closer to completion. Perhaps I might just reintroduce myself and my mission tomorrow. It's an interesting and complex challenge; A small neighborhood caffe, with coffee, panini and stuff. A website, a php jukebox and a WiFi access point (free with food) A handful of fixed terminals and laptops-for-rent. Point Of Sale, security systems and accounting all running as thin clients, on linux. For many people, it will be a first look at linux. If done properly it will be a showcase of gleaming eyecandy and brisk performance. if not; a demonstration of why only geeks would use that stuff. I plan to sell linux distributions and other open source software, in no frills packaging, fresh baked onsite. $6 ? I was even thinking of having a prominent grafitti artist paint Tux on a Harley outside. smoking tires tearing up a field of ones and zeros. f r e e c o d e As a system administrator, I am WAY over my head ! But as an open source junkie I'm convinced that it can be done and I sense that there is a community here, who would share the vision and pitch in. sysadmin 4 food ? espresssssso ?? It's an uphill battle getting this thing open on a shoestring budget. For the last fifteen years I've been a filmmaker, and now I find myself as restaurateur / entrepreneur. (it's a long story) Sun Tzu said "If you want an army to fight for you, burn the bridges behind them" Well, at the moment, I'm an army of one, and the smoke you see is (mostly) bridges.. .. i'm goin' in ! are ya with me ? (cue: bagpipes) thanks lads, seeya tomorrow night, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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*Really* bad week for SCO
by clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

At 17:33 08/12/2003 -0500, David J Patrick wrote: >JoeHill wrote: [snip] >>I think it's a good time to start selling any SCO stock you own... [snip] >That begs the question; are there any investment wizards in the group who >know how to "short" a stock and, thus" reap the reward for predicting SCOs >(and soon enough M$s) swan dive ? Shorting a stock is not difficult or require great financial wizardry. You just issue a sell order with your broker without owning any stock. Your broker in turn borrows the stock from someone who already owns it. You make money if the stock drops enough to cover your transaction costs and then some but only if you put in a buy order to negate your previous sell order. You will in all likelihood have to put up substantial margin though. Keep in mind a few things. First, there are people who trade stocks for a living and they have access at the very least to the same information you do. The current price for SCOX reflects their expectations. Second, another company coming along and taking SCO out might dash your dreams of becoming rich, rich, rich. Third, you have to analyze the risk/reward ratio. If the risk free yield is 3% today, you have to do much better than 3%, how much better is up to you, in order to make it worthwhile. Finally, unless you do this for a living, the odds are against you that you will make money doing this. You should avoid speculating with money that you cannot afford to lose. In other words, if you feel confident that this is a winning strategy, and you have analyzed the risk/reward ratio and determined that it is acceptable to you, and you are doing this with money you can afford to lose, by all means, go for it. Otherwise, you are just another sheep waiting to be sheared by the pros in the business. >Should we get a group thing going ? If you feel that strongly that shorting SCOX or MSFT is a good move, why wait for anyone else? You don't need a "group" to do this. >hmmmm ? >djp Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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M$ to license FAT
by cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

> On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 10:19:55AM -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > > cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org writes: > > > > > > As the title says. Impact on Linux ? > > > > > > If the claims are true, that there are "live" patents still in place on > > > FAT, then it is conceivable that there might be patent infringments, or > > > at least places where MSFT could _claim_ that there are. > > > > IANAL but, as I understand it, damages in a pattern infringement case are > > usually awarded on the basis of lost profit, i.e. the profit M$ would have > > made if it weren't for the infringement. Linux users who want access to > > their FAT files (from within Linux) aren't about to purchase an M$ product > > (or licensed product) since there's no product available with the > > required functionality. Consequently, while patents might have been > > infringed, damages are $0. > > That's fine for a dual boot Linux getting access to the licensed MS > file system, but if another poster was right about USD memory disks > and such devices using FAT, the "damage" is that you used a Linux > instead of buying Windows to read the USB device. > > Does anyone have any details of exactly what is patented and when the > patent(s) expire? What is Highly Curious is the fact that Atari was selling systems based on FAT filesystems probably fifteen years ago, and were never attacked for this. What is VERY interesting is that none of the patents in question have to do with the filesystem. They ALL have to do with the way DOS 6 started providing support for longer filenames. The patents date back to 1996, and every single one is about filenaming. 1 6,286,013 Method and system for providing a common name space for long and short file names in an operating system 2 5,758,352 Common name space for long and short filenames 3 5,745,902 Method and system for accessing a file using file names having different file name formats 4 5,579,517 Common name space for long and short filenames -- let name="cbbrowne" and tld="cbbrowne.com" in name ^ "@" ^ tld;; http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/advocacy.html :FATAL ERROR -- ILLEGAL ERROR -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Speaker Tommorrow Night
by davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

Robert Brockway wrote: >On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > > > >>Will there be any guest speaker tomorrow? >>If yes, what will the speaker speak about? >> >> > >I've been unable to confirm the status of a guest speaker for tommorrow >night. If we don't have a guest speaker, then come along with your juicy >technical questions and we'll have a good Q/A session. > > > [snip] >Rob > > > If an opportunity presented itself, I'd like to talk a bit more about my (impending) linux WiFi caffe. I'll try to have a (little) bit of material prepared. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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*Really* bad week for SCO
by davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > [snip] > >> That begs the question; are there any investment wizards in the group >> who know how to "short" a stock and, thus" reap the reward for >> predicting SCOs (and soon enough M$s) swan dive ? > > > Shorting a stock is not difficult or require great financial wizardry. [snip] > Finally, unless you do this for a living, the odds are against you > that you will make money doing this. You should avoid speculating with > money that you cannot afford to lose. In other words, if you feel > confident that this is a winning strategy, and you have analyzed the > risk/reward ratio and determined that it is acceptable to you, and you > are doing this with money you can afford to lose, by all means, go for > it. Otherwise, you are just another sheep waiting to be sheared by the > pros in the business. > > I believe it was Mark Twain who said; "There are two times when a man shouldn't speculate; when he can't afford to and when he can." djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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