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ZeroInstall; dare ya !
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 15 Dec '03

15 Dec '03

On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 06:34:04PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > (from the website) Key Points; > > * Software is only ever /cached/, not /installed/. Anyone can run > any software, and nothing is run as root. > * Running a program is done in the same way whether it's cached or not. > * Running cached software is as fast as running > traditionally-installed software. > * Zero Install is both simpler and more secure than traditional > packaging systems. > * Software can be removed from the cache to free space without > affecting the behaviour of the system (it will be recached on demand). > > How hard could it be ? > ok, it requires a small Linux kernel module to provide the > /uri/0install directory, > but that's probably a piece o cake, for a seasoned, Rox lovin', kernel > compilin' cowboy, such as yerself. > right ? > > If this thing works, as advertized, it'll change the world.. unless > nobody "gets it". > check it out, try it out. spread the word. > > (when I learn to cook up a kernel, I'm gonn go 2.6, cause Linus said to, > and get me some 0install, But, how would you run Vim or LaTeX? You would have to dial out every time you turn your computer on, no? Is that like doing network install, every time? -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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ZeroInstall; dare ya !
by davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 15 Dec '03

15 Dec '03

JoeHill wrote: >On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:16:36 -0500 >David J Patrick <davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > >>Try it Joe, try it ! >>Rox rocks ! and ZeroInstall looks easy as pie. >> >> > >I already use ROX...no need for installing again :-) > >Best file manager on the planet, that's for sure though. > > > c'mon Joe.. (from the website) Key Points; * Software is only ever /cached/, not /installed/. Anyone can run any software, and nothing is run as root. * Running a program is done in the same way whether it's cached or not. * Running cached software is as fast as running traditionally-installed software. * Zero Install is both simpler and more secure than traditional packaging systems. * Software can be removed from the cache to free space without affecting the behaviour of the system (it will be recached on demand). How hard could it be ? ok, it requires a small Linux kernel module to provide the /uri/0install directory, but that's probably a piece o cake, for a seasoned, Rox lovin', kernel compilin' cowboy, such as yerself. right ? If this thing works, as advertized, it'll change the world.. unless nobody "gets it". check it out, try it out. spread the word. (when I learn to cook up a kernel, I'm gonn go 2.6, cause Linus said to, and get me some 0install, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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spinning out of control :)
by jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b＠public.gmane.org 15 Dec '03

15 Dec '03

Actually I was just looking for a regular 3.5" drive for a PC. I thought there might be a lot of people around with old spares. If anyone has one they're willing to sell, please let me know. They seem to be a bit harder to find than I thought. On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Madison Kelly wrote: > I am sure they do. If not though, I am pretty sure I do. Do you know if > you want/need a 12mm, 9mm or 4.5mm thick 2.5" drives? > > Madison > > PS - 9mm is the most common thickness > > Justin Zygmont wrote: > > >does your supplier have 2-4GB hardrives by any chance? :) I still can't > >find one, and below all electronics on Bloor st. is a bad choice. > > > > > >On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Madison Kelly wrote: > > > > > > > >>Hi Emma, > >> > >> I called my supplier and they are pretty sure they have it in stock > >>for ~$10/15. There are a couple different types though so he suggested > >>(and I agree) that it would be best if I looked at the fan's part number > >>before going to get it. That said, if you would like me to swap that for > >>you e-mail me off the list and we can work out a time to meet so that I > >>can get that part number and then later to actually swap the fan out. > >> > >> Sound good? Talk to you later! > >> > >>Madison > >> > >>Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 05:17:59PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Be very careful trying to take it apart. There are a lot of little bits > >>>>with wires connected to them that can be torn easily (ie: the cable to the > >>>>touchpad is a usual issue). Unfortunately it is too late today to call for > >>>>parts so I will have to call tomorrow (which I will). Once I locate a fan > >>>>it would be a pretty easy job to swap out. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>I've given up trying for tonight. I'm trying to ignore the dull roar and > >>>the tingling in my fingers from resting my hands on the keyboard--bad form > >>>comes back to bite me in the tinglies. :) > >>> > >>>Thanks so much for your help! Let me know how you fare tomorrow with > >>>finding a new fan. > >>> > >>>emma :) > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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spinning out of control :)
by linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 15 Dec '03

15 Dec '03

I am sure they do. If not though, I am pretty sure I do. Do you know if you want/need a 12mm, 9mm or 4.5mm thick 2.5" drives? Madison PS - 9mm is the most common thickness Justin Zygmont wrote: >does your supplier have 2-4GB hardrives by any chance? :) I still can't >find one, and below all electronics on Bloor st. is a bad choice. > > >On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Madison Kelly wrote: > > > >>Hi Emma, >> >> I called my supplier and they are pretty sure they have it in stock >>for ~$10/15. There are a couple different types though so he suggested >>(and I agree) that it would be best if I looked at the fan's part number >>before going to get it. That said, if you would like me to swap that for >>you e-mail me off the list and we can work out a time to meet so that I >>can get that part number and then later to actually swap the fan out. >> >> Sound good? Talk to you later! >> >>Madison >> >>Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 05:17:59PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Be very careful trying to take it apart. There are a lot of little bits >>>>with wires connected to them that can be torn easily (ie: the cable to the >>>>touchpad is a usual issue). Unfortunately it is too late today to call for >>>>parts so I will have to call tomorrow (which I will). Once I locate a fan >>>>it would be a pretty easy job to swap out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>I've given up trying for tonight. I'm trying to ignore the dull roar and >>>the tingling in my fingers from resting my hands on the keyboard--bad form >>>comes back to bite me in the tinglies. :) >>> >>>Thanks so much for your help! Let me know how you fare tomorrow with >>>finding a new fan. >>> >>>emma :) >>> >>> >>> -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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spinning out of control :)
by jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b＠public.gmane.org 15 Dec '03

15 Dec '03

does your supplier have 2-4GB hardrives by any chance? :) I still can't find one, and below all electronics on Bloor st. is a bad choice. On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi Emma, > > I called my supplier and they are pretty sure they have it in stock > for ~$10/15. There are a couple different types though so he suggested > (and I agree) that it would be best if I looked at the fan's part number > before going to get it. That said, if you would like me to swap that for > you e-mail me off the list and we can work out a time to meet so that I > can get that part number and then later to actually swap the fan out. > > Sound good? Talk to you later! > > Madison > > Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > > >On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 05:17:59PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > > > > > >>Be very careful trying to take it apart. There are a lot of little bits > >>with wires connected to them that can be torn easily (ie: the cable to the > >>touchpad is a usual issue). Unfortunately it is too late today to call for > >>parts so I will have to call tomorrow (which I will). Once I locate a fan > >>it would be a pretty easy job to swap out. > >> > >> > > > >I've given up trying for tonight. I'm trying to ignore the dull roar and > >the tingling in my fingers from resting my hands on the keyboard--bad form > >comes back to bite me in the tinglies. :) > > > >Thanks so much for your help! Let me know how you fare tomorrow with > >finding a new fan. > > > >emma :) > > > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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More "end of the desktop PC"
by jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b＠public.gmane.org 15 Dec '03

15 Dec '03

I rememeber Oracle also had this vision. From what i've seen in many organizations, with PC's they usually just image them with the correct image for each department, since installing the software could take hours now a days. It would last for a while until windows would become unstable, and was full of junk, then it would have to be imaged again. It makes me wonder why Oracle's idea wasn't more successful since it solves this problem entirely, and imaging each PC individually seems foolish. On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, JoeHill wrote: > > > > > I've been reading articles like this for years now, in various forms > > Yeah this idea of remote servers under someone elses control has been > around for quite a long time. > > > proclaiming that the home desktop PC is a flawed and obsolete model, and > > that all of our software should be run from secure servers instead. > > I see two seperate issues here... > > Personally I think the desktop PC is a flawed idea overall (from a system > management point of view) but giving up control of data to a remote entity > is even worse. > > The middle ground is a thinclient solution. I can giveup the desktop PC > (replacing it with a "dumb" display device) but still keep the central > server under the control of the owners of the data. > > Rob > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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spinning out of control :)
by linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 15 Dec '03

15 Dec '03

Hi Emma, I called my supplier and they are pretty sure they have it in stock for ~$10/15. There are a couple different types though so he suggested (and I agree) that it would be best if I looked at the fan's part number before going to get it. That said, if you would like me to swap that for you e-mail me off the list and we can work out a time to meet so that I can get that part number and then later to actually swap the fan out. Sound good? Talk to you later! Madison Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: >On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 05:17:59PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > > >>Be very careful trying to take it apart. There are a lot of little bits >>with wires connected to them that can be torn easily (ie: the cable to the >>touchpad is a usual issue). Unfortunately it is too late today to call for >>parts so I will have to call tomorrow (which I will). Once I locate a fan >>it would be a pretty easy job to swap out. >> >> > >I've given up trying for tonight. I'm trying to ignore the dull roar and >the tingling in my fingers from resting my hands on the keyboard--bad form >comes back to bite me in the tinglies. :) > >Thanks so much for your help! Let me know how you fare tomorrow with >finding a new fan. > >emma :) > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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More "end of the desktop PC"
by robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy＠public.gmane.org 15 Dec '03

15 Dec '03

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, JoeHill wrote: > > I've been reading articles like this for years now, in various forms Yeah this idea of remote servers under someone elses control has been around for quite a long time. > proclaiming that the home desktop PC is a flawed and obsolete model, and > that all of our software should be run from secure servers instead. I see two seperate issues here... Personally I think the desktop PC is a flawed idea overall (from a system management point of view) but giving up control of data to a remote entity is even worse. The middle ground is a thinclient solution. I can giveup the desktop PC (replacing it with a "dumb" display device) but still keep the central server under the control of the owners of the data. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, zzbrock at uqconnect.net Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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More "end of the desktop PC"
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 15 Dec '03

15 Dec '03

On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 11:46:23AM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > > I've been reading articles like this for years now, in various forms > proclaiming that the home desktop PC is a flawed and obsolete model, > and that all of our software should be run from secure servers > instead. > > Personally, they can take my desktop when they pry it from my cold > dead hands, but I'm curious about how others see this issue. Of course > there's nothing *inherantly* wrong with relinquishing some control to > networked servers, but dare we trust our software when we don't have > ultimate control over it locally, especially when we are talking about > proprietary, closed source software that we cannot see what's "under > the hood"? > > Link: > > http://rss.com.com/2010-7355_3-5118280.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=news Isn't that what .NET is all about? Lock in customer, and fleece him. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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More "end of the desktop PC"
by tenger-ew0EfhANLmVEfu+5ix1nRw＠public.gmane.org 15 Dec '03

15 Dec '03

At 11:46 2003-12-15 -0500, JoeHill wrote: > > I've been reading articles like this for years now, in various forms proclaiming > that the home desktop PC is a flawed and obsolete model, and that all of our > software should be run from secure servers instead. > > Personally, they can take my desktop when they pry it from my cold dead hands, > but I'm curious about how others see this issue. Of course there's nothing > *inherantly* wrong with relinquishing some control to networked servers, but > dare we trust our software when we don't have ultimate control over it locally, > especially when we are talking about proprietary, closed source software that we > cannot see what's "under the hood"? Well, I have become very comfortable indeed trusting proprietary software. But I do not willingly extend that trust in the PC world. It is with the IBM iSeries and its predecessors that--after long experience--I feel so comfortable. BTW, I have *earned* these grey hairs. My experience extends back to the time when proprietary mainframe operating systems came with source code. But times change. The bad news is that I can no longer submit patches with my bug reports on system software. The good news is that I scarcely remember the last time I saw a bug in the system software. Terry. > > Link: > > http://rss.com.com/2010-7355_3-5118280.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=news > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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