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Windows refund: stymied
by phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w＠public.gmane.org 29 Aug '03

29 Aug '03

This is probably obvious, but for those who buy *used* laptops, CPUsed gives you the option of getting Win installed or not, and the credit you if you choose to opt out. (As I recollect, about $100). Peter On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 09:43:50AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 09:54:59PM -0400, Ian Goldberg wrote: > > I spent all afternoon on the phone with Dell. It turns out the Windows > > refund issue didn't even come up, because (get this), when you boot the > > computer, you're presented with a *Dell* screen that forces you to say > > you've read and agreed to all the EULAs for the software on the system. > > > > Trick is, they don't give them to you. > > > > No one at Dell seemed perplexed by this. I was being forced to say I've > > read agreements I don't have. So we didn't even get to the bit where I > > could point to the "refund" clause in the Windows EULA, since I was > > never presented with it in the first place. > > > > The whole story: > > > > http://www.cypherpunks.ca/dell.html > > > > This is the next level above "click-through" licenses. Now, they figure > > no one reads the EULAs anyway, so why bother even providing a copy? > > They'll click "I've read and agreed" anyhow. > > I wonder if it is time Dell started shipping a bit more paper with their > machines. License agreements for example. :) > > Well IBM does sell laptops with Linux preinstalled. Not sure if anyone > else does, or if anyone sells laptops with no software at all. > > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Windows refund: stymied
by btraynor-zC6tqtfhjqE＠public.gmane.org 29 Aug '03

29 Aug '03

Lloyd D Budd wrote: >On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 21:54, Ian Goldberg wrote: > > >>The whole story: >> >>http://www.cypherpunks.ca/dell.html >> >> > >This is now on /. A good opportunity to muster ppl if any linux.ca + >response to Dell + is desired. > > Well, CLUE is planning on organizing a windowsrefundday in the near future. >Cheers, >Lloyd + > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Grub Not Starting
by kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q＠public.gmane.org 29 Aug '03

29 Aug '03

On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 11:34, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On debian I do: grub-install /dev/hda and that's it. I don't use grub > to install grub. > > Lennart Sorensen I gave that a try, but I keep getting the following error message: "/dev/hda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." If I try "grub-install '(hd0)'" I get something even stranger, involving sed and ls errors. I think I'm going to try lilo just to get this out of the way, but I'd really like to know why grub isn't working. Kareem -- /********************************************************************* kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org - Kareem Shehata - 416-676-6611 -------------------------------------------------------------------- I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. -- Douglas Adams ********************************************************************/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Windows refund: stymied
by lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ＠public.gmane.org 29 Aug '03

29 Aug '03

On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 21:54, Ian Goldberg wrote: > The whole story: > > http://www.cypherpunks.ca/dell.html This is now on /. A good opportunity to muster ppl if any linux.ca + response to Dell + is desired. Cheers, Lloyd + -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Windows refund experience?
by adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ＠public.gmane.org 29 Aug '03

29 Aug '03

Matthew Rice wrote: > ... I'd do it myself but I needed the XP on my Dell laptop for work ... No, no, no, the proper excuse for continuing to use 'doze is that you want to help prove Gates is a monopolist; if everyone doesn't use his products then he beats the rap. I was raised to be a good Christian boy and I'm being nice to Bill Gates by helping him beat the monopoly charges by not using *any* of his products. (Okay, so the USDOJ-Microsoft lawsuit is history by now, but I'm still very happy not to have to personally experience everything I hear about the latest few rounds of viruses and service packs.) -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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The most recent meeting
by mgjk-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 29 Aug '03

29 Aug '03

Damn, I'm sorry I missed this. http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2003-08-29-008-26-OP-CY-MS I have these visions of some poor journalist standing at the front of an auditorium with his notebook on a podium with 50 people yelling stuff like "run ldconfig!", "Pick the frame buffer X driver!", "No, the OTHER left mouse button!", "You need devfs for that to work!", "'ln' dash 's', no! 'ln' _space_ dash 's'!" -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Windows refund: stymied
by lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys＠public.gmane.org 29 Aug '03

29 Aug '03

On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 12:09:59PM -0400, Marc Lijour (Professeur d'Informatique) wrote: > I wonder who is responsible/suable for not giving me what I ordered: the > windows operating system (for this particular machine, at least!). > > And what if I want to move to another laptop, do I have to pay twice for the > OS? I believe OEM versions might be licensed to that specific machine. You probably aren't allowed to reuse it on another machine. I guess that is one of the "advantages" Dell has for probably paying less to MS for each license. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Windows refund: stymied
by lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys＠public.gmane.org 29 Aug '03

29 Aug '03

On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 07:05:29PM +0300, E K wrote: Apparently noting. Turn of HTML posts. At least include plain text. What idiotic mail system do you use anyhow? Oh hotmail. Well fix it please. Sheesh. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Windows refund: stymied
by marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 29 Aug '03

29 Aug '03

Le 29 Ao??t 2003 09:44, Lennart Sorensen a ??crit : > On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 01:31:00AM -0400, Marc Lijour (Professeur d'Informatique) wrote: > > A masterpiece! > > > > I had the same problem with DELL. But, wait until you try to install > > vmware and discover that you windowsOEM won't work with the vmware > > pseudoBIOS! DELL CDs are for DELL BIOS... > > Same with Gateway. > > > It's a shame. And I'm glad to ear that. Next time, I probably won't buy a > > DELL unless somebody can tell me they changed this ludicrous policy. > > I imagine microsoft doesn't want Dell's diskimage installable Windows > version to work on other machines. imagine if it fell into the wrong > hands. I wonder who is responsible/suable for not giving me what I ordered: the windows operating system (for this particular machine, at least!). And what if I want to move to another laptop, do I have to pay twice for the OS? Marc Lijour -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Windows refund: stymied
by ekgab-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 29 Aug '03

29 Aug '03

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