August 2003 - Legacy - lists.gtalug.org

The most recent meeting
by andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw＠public.gmane.org 30 Aug '03

30 Aug '03

On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:54:27 -0400, "Phillip Mills" <pmills-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org> said: > On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 01:21 PM, Mike Kallies wrote: > > > I have these visions of some poor journalist standing at the front of > > an auditorium with his notebook on a podium with 50 people yelling > > stuff like "run ldconfig!", "Pick the frame buffer X driver!", "No, > > the OTHER left mouse button!", "You need devfs for that to work!", > > "'ln' dash 's', no! 'ln' _space_ dash 's'!" > > You're psychic! The only way it could have been worse is if we'd given > the poor guy a wedgie on his way out. > I am absolutely amazed that his follow-up article wasn't a complete > dismissal of Linux, TLUG, and everything else that even contains the > letter 'L'. :-) Maybe we should have pointed out that non-commercial Linux software is mostly distributed in rpm or deb format and installed by way of package managers and therefore actually simpler than installing on Windows. We could have, by way of contrast, demonstrated installing AbiWord or OpenOffice (from a local source) with Synaptic. Also, we could have demonstrated with Xandros where Crossover Office setup is a breeze - just pick it off a 'Start Menu' item. ------------------- Andrew Malcolmson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Interpret Network Communication
by fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 30 Aug '03

30 Aug '03

On Saturday 30 August 2003 01:22, Marc Lijour (Professeur d'Informatique) wrote: > I need a nice program to listen to the traffic between my machine to the > outside. > Nice output welcome. > > Any recommandations? Depends what it is that you want to know. If you're looking for statistics on how much traffic each machine and/or protocol generates ntop is excellent for that. If you're looking to rip open packet to see what's inside then you'll need to look at other programs. -- Fraser Campbell <fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> http://www.wehave.net/ Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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The most recent meeting
by pmills-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q＠public.gmane.org 30 Aug '03

30 Aug '03

On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 01:21 PM, Mike Kallies wrote: > I have these visions of some poor journalist standing at the front of > an auditorium with his notebook on a podium with 50 people yelling > stuff like "run ldconfig!", "Pick the frame buffer X driver!", "No, > the OTHER left mouse button!", "You need devfs for that to work!", > "'ln' dash 's', no! 'ln' _space_ dash 's'!" You're psychic! The only way it could have been worse is if we'd given the poor guy a wedgie on his way out. I am absolutely amazed that his follow-up article wasn't a complete dismissal of Linux, TLUG, and everything else that even contains the letter 'L'. :-) ........................ Phillip Mills Multi-platform software development (416) 224-0714 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Interpret Network Communication
by robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy＠public.gmane.org 30 Aug '03

30 Aug '03

On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, Marc Lijour (Professeur d'Informatique) wrote: > Hi, > > I need a nice program to listen to the traffic between my machine to the > outside. > Nice output welcome. > > Any recommandations? ethereal. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, zzbrock at uqconnect.net Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Interpret Network Communication
by marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 30 Aug '03

30 Aug '03

Le 30 Ao??t 2003 01:22, Marc Lijour (Professeur d'Informatique) a ??crit : > Hi, > > I need a nice program to listen to the traffic between my machine to the > outside. > Nice output welcome. > > Any recommandations? > > Marc Never mind. I found with ettercap everything I needed. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Interpret Network Communication
by marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 30 Aug '03

30 Aug '03

Hi, I need a nice program to listen to the traffic between my machine to the outside. Nice output welcome. Any recommandations? Marc -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Windows refund: UNstymied
by blanco-S8qYAnHmZTt34ZA5RureAJ4VBq8PJc8F＠public.gmane.org 30 Aug '03

30 Aug '03

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Keith Mastin wrote: > >> http://www.cypherpunks.ca/dell.html > I agree to where I've been sseing this thread going, but I have a question... > > Where will this all lead to? We send a petition, they look at it and Tongue firmly planted in cheek...: Imagine a person X and a group Y, vendor A. X must agree to document, document, document! (as in original linuxtoday article; anyone have that reference?) Where I see this going is this (t = #days): t=0: -1) X and Y agree on a course of action. t=1: 0) X starts process with vendor. t=30 1) Y: set up a web page offering help for DIYselfers. t=60 2) X and A go to small claims court t=60.5 3) X and Y party t=61 4) Y posts newsblitz: 1 peson helped t=65 5) repeat steps 0-5 with 10**i more people. The process will evolve, but not much. At the end of 111th student, Y should have iron-clad method for profit extraction. (If we bottle it, we can sell the company for $$$$$$$... 8) Y can give "refund science" diplomas to XXXXXXXXXs. Y can sell "refund science" tshirts for fun...draising. --->The real benefit is that Y and X learn how to DIY.<--- > Dell is a business, so they make decisions based on the bottom line. > future bottom line or they won't budge. Why should they if it isn't > plesing to shareholders? t=180: A gives up the fight and redrafts "licence" after 1111th refund scientist graduates t=181: global linux user party (A drops by for a beer, too) "pleasing to the bottom line" = "no negative publicity" + $199 x 1111 $199 x 1111 = 221089 displeasures to shareholders. This comes from *bottom line* profits, not revenues. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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St. Christopher House web page needs alt tags, was RE: Learning PHP
by blanco-S8qYAnHmZTt34ZA5RureAJ4VBq8PJc8F＠public.gmane.org 30 Aug '03

30 Aug '03

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Andrew Malcolmson wrote: > BTW: how does an ALT tag display in a text browser? <p> <img src="foo.jpg" alt="[bar]"> </p> looks like this in lynx: [bar] > Also: this looks a lot better in links (aka elinks) than in lynx. Didn't > try w3m. elinks??? whazzat? is it javascript enabled? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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St. Christopher House web page needs alt tags, was RE: Learning PHP
by kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 30 Aug '03

30 Aug '03

At 07:22 PM 08/29/2003 -0500, Andrew Malcolmson wrote: >BTW: how does an ALT tag display in a text browser? > >Also: this looks a lot better in links (aka elinks) than in lynx. Didn't >try w3m. ALT tags for images displayed in side square brackets (ie. [ and ]) with the stuff between the two brackets consisting of the text of the ALT tag. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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St. Christopher House web page needs alt tags, was RE: Learning PHP
by andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw＠public.gmane.org 30 Aug '03

30 Aug '03

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:00:49 -0400 (EDT), "Max Blanco" <blanco-S8qYAnHmZTt34ZA5RureAJ4VBq8PJc8F at public.gmane.org> said: > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Andrew Malcolmson wrote: > > > > > Here's their web page: > > > > http://www.bangthedrum.net > > > > > > Do they know about > <http://www.htmlhelp.com/design/accessibility/>? > > It seems like they have excluded the lynx user... > > Using Technology to Promote Social Inclusion > > Information and Communication Technologies (ICT) are increasingly > becoming a basic need for people living and working in Canada. In > order to have control over one's life people need to access and be > able to apply the standard tools of our society. Not being able to > access or manipulate ICT creates a disadvantage to those without > access or skills. > > The St. Christopher House Community Learning Network is about > enhancing people's ability to use computers and the Internet to engage > in meaningful social activities. > Thanks - I'll pass your comment on. This will be useful as the PHP project they're working on is to build a services/resources information portal and accessibily should definitely be a requirement. BTW: how does an ALT tag display in a text browser? Also: this looks a lot better in links (aka elinks) than in lynx. Didn't try w3m. ------------------- Andrew Malcolmson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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