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Kernel 2.6 compile: Comaptability
by rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, Paul King wrote: > Well, things are slowly coming together. I can boot into the new kernel, and > the kernel no longer complains about missing functions. But it wasn't > straightforward. It looks as though the module utilities depended on an older > version of modutils, with their executables renamed to .old. Second, the > default installation for these new utils was going to be under /usr/local/sbin. > And if it went to /sbin, it would clobber all files in its path without > renaming them with .old extensions first. So that had to be done by hand, using > mv. FWIW, I've been running a Debian Unstable system with a 2.6.0-test11 kernel and been having no problems with system utils[1]. This is a workstation, servers are staying at 2.4 for the forseeable future. [1] xosview is broken but this is hardly a game-stopper for me :) Interestingly it "runs" fine but fails to display at all. It'll happily sit their monitoring the system & displaying nothing indefinitely. Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Formatting in C++ (fwd)
by wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

On December 27, 2003 02:38 pm, Peter L. Peres wrote: > Would it help if I'd say that I prefer to use form() for this ? ;-) > > The << overloading is supposed to make your life easier, not the other > way around. > > Peter This gets better with every turn. ( for me more and more mysterious). What does form() do? How can I use it ? You also suggested some time back that I should spend time to index my system. What exactly did you have in mind? Surely, I cannot go over every item in my system and catalog what each item means and what it does. Years would not be enough to accomplish this. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Kernel 2.6 compile: Comaptability
by jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

For those that are treading down this path.... the new modutils needs to be ./configure --prefix=/ to put it into the usual paths. Then, do a 'make moveold'. That does the .old renaming for you. On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, Paul King wrote: > Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:39:33 -0500 > From: Paul King <pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org> > Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Kernel 2.6 compile: Comaptability > > Well, things are slowly coming together. I can boot into the new kernel, and > the kernel no longer complains about missing functions. But it wasn't > straightforward. It looks as though the module utilities depended on an older > version of modutils, with their executables renamed to .old. Second, the > default installation for these new utils was going to be under /usr/local/sbin. > And if it went to /sbin, it would clobber all files in its path without > renaming them with .old extensions first. So that had to be done by hand, using > mv. > > Paul King > > Date sent: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 22:25:23 -0500 > From: Jing Su <jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org> > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Kernel 2.6 compile: Comaptability > Send reply to: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > > I can't remember what module in question is being discussed here... > > But I finally got 2.6 running on my box, with all the creature comfort > > options (sound, graphics, etc) running. > > > > I *think* the things that are needed are: > > > > new utils: as mentioned before, new modutils, e2fs, psutil, etc... > > > > new modutils: I think you need the newer modutils first before doing > > 'make module_install'. I had trouble with loading modules even with the > > new modutils until I recompiled and reinstalled the modules again out of > > frustration, at which point they worked file. > > > > renamed modules: (on my redhat box), > > under /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit, look for the line containing: > > modprobe keybdev > > modprobe mousedev > > gotta replace them with > > modprobe uhci_hcd > > modprobe usbkbd > > modprobe usbmouse > > look for line containing: > > mount -n -t proc /proc /proc > > add line afterwards: > > mount -n -t sysfs /sys /sys > > (remember to make the directory /sys/ as root before rebooting) > > > > Those are the basic things I think that got the mouse and keyboard > > working. I'm also running Alsa using the OSS compatability. > > > > -Jing > > > > On Fri, 26 Dec 2003, Paul King wrote: > > > > > Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 22:07:01 -0500 > > > From: Paul King <pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org> > > > Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Kernel 2.6 compile: Comaptability? > > > > > > Forget it. I know where it is now. > > > > > > I see that I needed to update e2fsprogs and procps, but that was tangential to > > > the main problem: the modules wouldn't load. I recall this was posted earlier > > > (by Jing Su) without much reply. I installed the latest e2fsprogs, and got the > > > same problem. No drivers except what was already compiled in; no mouse; no > > > sound. There was a complaint from modprobe about some function or other not > > > being present during the boot sequence. The newer version of modutils didn't > > > change or eliminate this error. > > > > > > e2fsprogs, FWIW, is installed in the latest version (1.35-WIP, whatever "WIP" > > > means). I see all my partitions, so I would suppose the "WIP" part is > > > unimportant in my case -- I could find nothing on the abbreviation. > > > > > > > An earlier poster posed what was a good issue: that I ought to check my > > > > software for compatability with the kernel. OK, so I try to check, but the > > > > compatability list doesn't appear to be in its usual place. Anyone know > > > > where this stuff is? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Paul King <pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > ========================================================= > Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Kernel 2.6 compile: Comaptability
by pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

Well, things are slowly coming together. I can boot into the new kernel, and the kernel no longer complains about missing functions. But it wasn't straightforward. It looks as though the module utilities depended on an older version of modutils, with their executables renamed to .old. Second, the default installation for these new utils was going to be under /usr/local/sbin. And if it went to /sbin, it would clobber all files in its path without renaming them with .old extensions first. So that had to be done by hand, using mv. Paul King Date sent: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 22:25:23 -0500 From: Jing Su <jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Kernel 2.6 compile: Comaptability Send reply to: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > I can't remember what module in question is being discussed here... > But I finally got 2.6 running on my box, with all the creature comfort > options (sound, graphics, etc) running. > > I *think* the things that are needed are: > > new utils: as mentioned before, new modutils, e2fs, psutil, etc... > > new modutils: I think you need the newer modutils first before doing > 'make module_install'. I had trouble with loading modules even with the > new modutils until I recompiled and reinstalled the modules again out of > frustration, at which point they worked file. > > renamed modules: (on my redhat box), > under /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit, look for the line containing: > modprobe keybdev > modprobe mousedev > gotta replace them with > modprobe uhci_hcd > modprobe usbkbd > modprobe usbmouse > look for line containing: > mount -n -t proc /proc /proc > add line afterwards: > mount -n -t sysfs /sys /sys > (remember to make the directory /sys/ as root before rebooting) > > Those are the basic things I think that got the mouse and keyboard > working. I'm also running Alsa using the OSS compatability. > > -Jing > > On Fri, 26 Dec 2003, Paul King wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 22:07:01 -0500 > > From: Paul King <pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org> > > Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Kernel 2.6 compile: Comaptability? > > > > Forget it. I know where it is now. > > > > I see that I needed to update e2fsprogs and procps, but that was tangential to > > the main problem: the modules wouldn't load. I recall this was posted earlier > > (by Jing Su) without much reply. I installed the latest e2fsprogs, and got the > > same problem. No drivers except what was already compiled in; no mouse; no > > sound. There was a complaint from modprobe about some function or other not > > being present during the boot sequence. The newer version of modutils didn't > > change or eliminate this error. > > > > e2fsprogs, FWIW, is installed in the latest version (1.35-WIP, whatever "WIP" > > means). I see all my partitions, so I would suppose the "WIP" part is > > unimportant in my case -- I could find nothing on the abbreviation. > > > > > An earlier poster posed what was a good issue: that I ought to check my > > > software for compatability with the kernel. OK, so I try to check, but the > > > compatability list doesn't appear to be in its usual place. Anyone know > > > where this stuff is? > > > > > > -- > > > Paul King <pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org> > > > > > > -- > > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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City Of Toronto
by rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > I'd like to go, but I have another meeting that evening. Unfortunately, for any given time picked, someone will have another committment :( There will definately be more sessions. Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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City Of Toronto
by c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, David J Patrick wrote: > > > Yikes ! > > It sounds like a golden opportunity is starting to rust ! > > The earlier thread "Toronto Municipal Open Source Revolution, anyone ?" > > had a flash of enthusiasm and then very little follow through. > > I honestly think the time of year had something to do with this. We > concluded that nothing will be happening in the city council until > sometime in January. > > At this point I'd like to propose a face to face meeting for interested > companies and individuals to discuss the type of approach that could be > made to the city. > > I propose the following meeting: > > Where: Ginger 2 restaurant > 403 Yonge Street, > Toronto, ON > M5B 1S9 > > When: 7pm, Monday Jan 12 2003. > > Please RSVP to me by Monday Jan 5 so we know how many people are coming. I'd like to go, but I have another meeting that evening. -- Chris F.A. Johnson ================================================================= cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org http://cfaj.freeshell.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Thanks Anton
by roulton623-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

I tried your suggestion of changing -1 to 7100 and I lost the graphic environment. I was hoping that would work because I had Redhat 9 Shrike up and running at one time and I know how similar that Mandrake is to it. I had to change the XF86 config file back. Thanks again any suggestions are welcome Stephen Oulton <roulton623-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org> -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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City Of Toronto
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

Robert Brockway wrote: > I propose the following meeting: > > Where: Ginger 2 restaurant > 403 Yonge Street, > Toronto, ON > M5B 1S9 > > When: 7pm, Monday Jan 12 2003. We'll realy have to hustle, to get their on time! ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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City Of Toronto
by rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, Fraser Campbell wrote: > Desktop installs are a waste of time for any organization of significant > size. For thin client installs older PCs (probably even 486s) are more > than capable of running the latest and greatest stuff, you just run the > heavy stuff on the server. Absolutely. Many times I've seen people amazed with the capabilites of a thinclient. Too many people are still convinced that a computer needs to be near a person to be useful[1]. [1] Of course the thinclient itself is a computer but little processing is done there. More importantly, no important data is saved there. One of the most important things about a thinclients is that you don't care if they break since they are all interchangeable from the users point of view. Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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City Of Toronto
by rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, Robert Brockway wrote: > When: 7pm, Monday Jan 12 2003. Hmmm...make that 2004 of course :) Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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