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City Of Toronto
by rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, David J Patrick wrote: > Yikes ! > It sounds like a golden opportunity is starting to rust ! > The earlier thread "Toronto Municipal Open Source Revolution, anyone ?" > had a flash of enthusiasm and then very little follow through. I honestly think the time of year had something to do with this. We concluded that nothing will be happening in the city council until sometime in January. At this point I'd like to propose a face to face meeting for interested companies and individuals to discuss the type of approach that could be made to the city. I propose the following meeting: Where: Ginger 2 restaurant 403 Yonge Street, Toronto, ON M5B 1S9 When: 7pm, Monday Jan 12 2003. Please RSVP to me by Monday Jan 5 so we know how many people are coming. Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Formatting in C++ (fwd)
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, John Wildberger wrote: > Fundamentally I don't really care if a hex number is displayed in upper or > lower case. It is just my curiosity to find out how it is being done. > John Would it help if I'd say that I prefer to use form() for this ? ;-) The << overloading is supposed to make your life easier, not the other way around. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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City Of Toronto
by jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

> On December 27, 2003 01:23 pm, Howard Gibson wrote: > > > I suspect that if you install the latest version of Linux onto these old > > machines, you will teach a bunch of people to hate Linux. A clever > > administrator may get these machines to work efficiently, but new machines > > are probably easier and more reliable, Linux or no Linux. > > Desktop installs are a waste of time for any organization of significant size. > For thin client installs older PCs (probably even 486s) are more than capable > of running the latest and greatest stuff, you just run the heavy stuff on the > server. I second that. I have a Pentium120 (!!!) Laptop with 16 (!!!) megs of Ram. I loaded Slack, bare X, and VNC, and thin client into my Desktop. Sure runs nice and smooth. Won't be able to play video clips and MP3s, but hey, we're talking about government computers here. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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City Of Toronto
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 11:05:03AM -0500, Phillip Mills wrote: > Anyone feel like proposing an actual plan of attack we can all throw > darts at? :-) These kind of thing is best discussed over beer. Any meeting place you guys have in mind? If it's downtown, then somewhere TTC friendly... -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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City Of Toronto
by fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

On December 27, 2003 01:23 pm, Howard Gibson wrote: > I suspect that if you install the latest version of Linux onto these old > machines, you will teach a bunch of people to hate Linux. A clever > administrator may get these machines to work efficiently, but new machines > are probably easier and more reliable, Linux or no Linux. Desktop installs are a waste of time for any organization of significant size. For thin client installs older PCs (probably even 486s) are more than capable of running the latest and greatest stuff, you just run the heavy stuff on the server. -- Fraser Campbell <fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Formatting in C++ (fwd)
by wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

On December 27, 2003 05:42 am, Peter L. Peres wrote: > setf is in ios:: Maybe your implementation has it elsewhere. C++ is an > interesting beast when it comes to portability ... you can try to find the > definition by doing something like: > > (cd /usr/include; grep -E "[ \t]ios::ios" g++/*.h) > > which yields ios::ios in <g++/streambuf.h> on my system. > This turns out to be a real paper chase. I have included <iostream>, <iomanip> <inttypes.h> and a few more. With this, there should not be any more need to hunt down where 'setf' is located. Neither should there be any need to find where the fmtflags are or where ios happens to be. Any conceivable header file related to have "uppercase" working is included in the above header files. This tread has produced a lot of suggestions, some restricted to simple words like <iostream>, std::cout.setf ,<ios>, etc, or suggestions to read some books. What is really missing is the correct syntax of how to make "hex uppercase" work. Fundamentally I don't really care if a hex number is displayed in upper or lower case. It is just my curiosity to find out how it is being done. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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City Of Toronto
by hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 08:08:49 -0500 Phillip Mills <pmills-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org> wrote: > I haven't noticed any messages lately about efforts to get a Linux > foothold at the City of Toronto. Anyone interested should read an > article on page A14 of this morning's Globe & Mail. > > Quote: > "The city's problem is that 14,000 of its 17,500 computers are of 1999 > vintage or older, which means that the operating system they run on is > Microsoft Windows NT, a program which the software company will no > longer support after some time next year, and they do not have the > capacity to run on the next generation of software, Windows XP, which > the city plans to switch to." > > Tortured grammar aside, how many things "wrong" can *you* find in that > sentence? :-) Phillip, My 1998 computer works okay as long as I do not launch KDE. I have added a lot of RAM since I bought the thing, 64MB to 256MB. My second hand laptop has 64MB of RAM. I am running Red Hat 8 on both machines. I am here to tell you that 64MB is not enough for Red Hat 8. If I cannot get more than 64MB into the laptop, this will be its final upgrade. I suspect that if you install the latest version of Linux onto these old machines, you will teach a bunch of people to hate Linux. A clever administrator may get these machines to work efficiently, but new machines are probably easier and more reliable, Linux or no Linux. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howard-42qnO8ePF9cV+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Now I Know
by anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Stephen, I have the identical video card as you, so here is what my XF86Config file says about it (I am running RedHat9, which seems fairly close to Mandrake as far as X configuration goes): Stephen wrote: > Section "Files" > # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together) > # By default, Mandrake 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of > # the X server to render fonts. > FontPath "unix/:-1" > EndSection I have "FontPath "unix/:7100". It's supposed to specify the socket to the X Font Server, so try changing -1 to 7100 and see if that makes a difference. > > Section "Module" > Load "dbe" # Double-Buffering Extension > Load "v4l" # Video for Linux > Load "extmod" > Load "type1" > Load "freetype" > Load "glx" # 3D layer > Load "dri" # direct rendering > EndSection Section "Module" Load "dbe" Load "extmod" Load "fbdevhw" Load "glx" Load "record" Load "freetype" Load "type1" Load "dri" EndSection Everything else seems fine (adjusted for our different monitors/distribution). - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 "The difference between insanity and genius is measured only by success." - Some bad guy from 007 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/7cC5RreNkzrRRLQRAkVgAKCVfO5sK95m77BSr3RBv46izHpu6ACeOzRI 09kBH72+MaGEuvNUfHcg9TY= =K2wr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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City Of Toronto
by pmills-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

On Saturday, December 27, 2003, at 09:59 AM, Robert McDonald wrote: > I had put up a wiki for TLUG to use for the purpose of putting > together a > proposal for the city of Toronto and a total of 1 ( ONE ) user was > able ( or > willing ) to log in to it. I'm interested and I'm reasonably capable when it comes to writing a few sentences, a letter, what have you.... On the tech side, I'm a developer. It's been many years since I did system administration or configuration for anyone but myself...and back then it wasn't usually Linux. Point being, others seemed just as motivated...and I'd trust some one else to do show-and-tell about a major plan for OS migration and conversion rather than myself. (I'd be more likely to get onto the subject of migrating your server applications to a JBoss/PostgreSQL environment.) During the earlier discussion, I remember someone mentioning political contacts on Council. Having that leverage sounded like a better idea than blindly searching for someone who would consider a cold-call proposal. But if those contacts aren't interested, the name of an acting IT head is in the Globe article. Anyone feel like proposing an actual plan of attack we can all throw darts at? :-) ........................ Phillip Mills Multi-platform software development (416) 224-0714 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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City Of Toronto
by lalune-zC6tqtfhjqE＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

Robert McDonald wrote: > http://www.lampware.info/tiki/tiki-custom_home.php The site could use some > help with fine tuning and I would be happy to setup additional admins for > that purpose. One small problem I found when I first went to the site was that I wasn't sure I was where I was supposed to be. It might be helpful to at least replace the default Tiki stuff with some background info on what its purpose is and how people can contribute to the project. Anita -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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