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Debian installation
by pjc-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

Sorry to double post but you could also download the floppies, rescue,root,drivers (I think) and then do a net install by picking a server of choice and update to sid or sarge....just a thought.... On Tue, 2003-12-30 at 13:32, Paul Croft wrote: > Have you tried one of the other servers? (secondary mirrors) you may > have some luck http://www.debian.org/mirror/list.....I noticed a sunsite > server at U of alberta, have had pretty good luck with that in the past. > > On Tue, 2003-12-30 at 12:18, Anton Markov wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hello guys, > > > > I want to try out Debian (while I am on break from school), but I am > > running into one problem after another. > > > > First of all, what's happening with the Debian servers? I know they shut > > down after the breakin, but it seems like they are not back up yet. The > > servers for the Net Install CDs are down. I was able to find an older > > copy (sometime from early October), but when I install it, it complains > > about not being able to load "aclib" during the "install the base > > system" part of setup. > > > > Next I wanted to try downloading the full images with Jigdo (thinking it > > may fix the problem), but the Jigdo homepage is down. I really don't > > want to download the full CD images directly (I want to try out the > > latest unstable or testing system), so any suggestions on how I can get > > net install or Jigdo to work would be most helpful. > > > > Thanks. > > > > - -- > > Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> > > > > GnuPG Key fingerprint = > > 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 > > > > "The difference between insanity and genius is measured only by success." > > - Some bad guy from 007 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > > iD8DBQE/8bNRRreNkzrRRLQRAqXkAKCPHTNZPmYerUkLAgysksriTp0GTACePDMk > > H5vA9jpRefj+79qUadHQz+k= > > =dCGJ > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Debian installation
by pjc-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

Have you tried one of the other servers? (secondary mirrors) you may have some luck http://www.debian.org/mirror/list.....I noticed a sunsite server at U of alberta, have had pretty good luck with that in the past. On Tue, 2003-12-30 at 12:18, Anton Markov wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello guys, > > I want to try out Debian (while I am on break from school), but I am > running into one problem after another. > > First of all, what's happening with the Debian servers? I know they shut > down after the breakin, but it seems like they are not back up yet. The > servers for the Net Install CDs are down. I was able to find an older > copy (sometime from early October), but when I install it, it complains > about not being able to load "aclib" during the "install the base > system" part of setup. > > Next I wanted to try downloading the full images with Jigdo (thinking it > may fix the problem), but the Jigdo homepage is down. I really don't > want to download the full CD images directly (I want to try out the > latest unstable or testing system), so any suggestions on how I can get > net install or Jigdo to work would be most helpful. > > Thanks. > > - -- > Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> > > GnuPG Key fingerprint = > 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 > > "The difference between insanity and genius is measured only by success." > - Some bad guy from 007 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQE/8bNRRreNkzrRRLQRAqXkAKCPHTNZPmYerUkLAgysksriTp0GTACePDMk > H5vA9jpRefj+79qUadHQz+k= > =dCGJ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Debian installation
by anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello guys, I want to try out Debian (while I am on break from school), but I am running into one problem after another. First of all, what's happening with the Debian servers? I know they shut down after the breakin, but it seems like they are not back up yet. The servers for the Net Install CDs are down. I was able to find an older copy (sometime from early October), but when I install it, it complains about not being able to load "aclib" during the "install the base system" part of setup. Next I wanted to try downloading the full images with Jigdo (thinking it may fix the problem), but the Jigdo homepage is down. I really don't want to download the full CD images directly (I want to try out the latest unstable or testing system), so any suggestions on how I can get net install or Jigdo to work would be most helpful. Thanks. - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 "The difference between insanity and genius is measured only by success." - Some bad guy from 007 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/8bNRRreNkzrRRLQRAqXkAKCPHTNZPmYerUkLAgysksriTp0GTACePDMk H5vA9jpRefj+79qUadHQz+k= =dCGJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Formatting in C++ (fwd)
by jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg＠public.gmane.org 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

> > learning a language like Perl, Python, Ruby, Lisp, or Scheme will be a lot > > more fun. > > Depends on your definition of fun :) Many people swear by ObjectiveC, calling it "object oriented C done right". I know the syntax, but haven't used it enough to be familiar with it's ups and downs. But if you're looking into learning an object oriented style language with a C background, ObjC might be the thing to look into. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Formatting in C++ (fwd)
by jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE＠public.gmane.org 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003, Tim Writer wrote: > learning a language like Perl, Python, Ruby, Lisp, or Scheme will be a lot > more fun. Depends on your definition of fun :) Decide what style of programming you prefer, and what types of applications you prefer to write, and pick a language based on that. For pure fun, with no real-world usefulness whatsoever, try learning intercal or brainfuck (I did not come up with that name). JV -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Formatting in C++ (fwd)
by tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

John Wildberger <wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org> writes: > On December 29, 2003 01:37 pm, Tim Writer wrote: > > > By now, you should be convinced that porting the original program from C to > > C++ yielded no benefits whatsoever at the cost of additional complexity, > > portability problems, and clumsiness. Note, I'm not saying that's true for > > every program but this particular program was not a good candidate. > > I think you are missing a point here. I t was never my intention to port the > program from c to c++ for the purpose of improving the program. It was solely > a learning experience and as such it served its purpose very well. I learned > how to apply C99 standards and after some struggling I even managed to use > the proper formatting tools in C++. And hopefully you learned that this type of program isn't a good candidate for translation to C++. :-) > The program itself is rather useless and can now be discarded. Yep. > C++ is not the preferred programming language for most Linux aficionados. Agreed, although it's an important one for Linux as KDE is written in C++. > They prefere standard C instead. The kernel does not have a single part > written in C++. However, there is a lot of potential in C++, and anyone > interested to write programs for his/hers use will find it very useful and > powerful. To reap the full benefit it is necessary to get familiar with its > syntax and structure. Yes, but it's important to choose examples that benefit from C++; otherwise, you'll just get frustrated. Afterall, the syntax is mostly compatible with C and you only break new ground when you get into features like classes and templates. You won't learn a lot from a more or less mechanical translation of a procedural C program to C++. Of course, as a new C++ user, you might not yet be aware of the kinds of programs which benefit from C++. > Extra complexity is introduced for portability reason. Unfortunately, C++ has not lived up to its promise of portability. The language is so complex that few environments implement the same subset and its often difficult to move a C++ program from one compiler to another on the same platform, let alone from one platform to another. > If you should not care for portability you can make things a lot > simpler. e.g use the simple types like int, char, float etc instead of the > C99 types. The C99 types exist to assist with portability. Clearly, programmers should avoid dealing with exact size types but some programs, such as your example, require them. Using "int16_t" when you need a 16 bit quantity is much more portable than using "short" and assuming its 16 bits. If you're worried a given platform won't have the C99 headers, you can always include a copy with your source code (with appropriate #ifdefs etc. to handle different platforms). > But as always, it is good to know the later forms, so that you can at least > read programs written by other people. Agreed. Unfortunately, C++ is so large and has changed so much since its inception many people use more or less disjoint subsets. If you're learning C++ for fun, consider another language instead, unless perhaps you're planning to do some KDE development. C++ can be incredibly frustrating; I know from bitter experience. If you don't already know them, learning a language like Perl, Python, Ruby, Lisp, or Scheme will be a lot more fun. -- tim writer <tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Where to buy CDs for linux distributions?
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

Clive DaSilva wrote: > Try www.cheapbytes.com > > Clive > If you order from there, get a bunch of Linux stickers! ;-) http://cart.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart/1000010108.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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default browser
by emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

On Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 09:27:03AM -0500, Emir Alikadic wrote: > On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, (EJH) Emma Jane Hogbin <emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org> wrote: > How do you launch those apps? WindowMaker, for example, has its menus in a > file under ~/GNUstep. Find the equivalent for your wm and view it to see where > the launcher is pointing to, then use "which" and "ls -l" to find what the > launcher is linked to (they're usually just symbolic links). You can then > remove the link and create your own ("ln -s TARGET LINKNAME"). In the end everything was set in /etc/alternatives. I'm not even sure how I figured this out, I was just suddenly in that directory poking around while I was supposed to be doing other things. The x-www-browser was pointing to konqueror. I had to set a new "alternative" with: # update-alternatives --install /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser \ x-www-browser /usr/bin/mozilla-firebird 1000 The syntax is as follows: --install (instead of --remove) /path/to/alternative name-of-alternative /path/to/application/to/use "importance" -- I started at 10, 100 and finally 1000 was the number I needed to use to override konqueror. Anything smaller than that and the konqueror link was added instead of a mozilla one. emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Data recovery emergency on a downed server... Help please!!
by rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A＠public.gmane.org 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, Madison Kelly wrote: Hi Maddy. I hope you got some sleep last night... > I know that backups of the superblock are made, do you know by chance how > to locate them and/or how to tell the OS to use one for mounting? Also, at No one mentioned this (and I didn't read TLUG yesterday) so here it is: /sbin/dumpe2fs /dev/hdxy (where xy is a1, b2, etc) will give you this info. There is quite a lot of output so redirect it to a file and read it with less, eg: /sbin/dumpe2fs /dev/hde3 > /tmp/hde3.info Search for the word "Superblock" Now, take that number and use it with e2fsck -b, Eg I have "Superblock at 163840" listed for /dev/hde3, so I could try: e2fsck -b 163840 /dev/hde3. Remember to only work on backup copies! See below. > least two partitions on the drive have gone bad... Different filesystems (partitions) being bad makes it far less likely it is a filesystem problem. Also, the use of dd was mentioned. This is good but there is no need to write it to a physical drive. You can write the dd to a file and mount it using loopback and attempt recovery on that. As long as you keep a good copy of the filesystem file around you can keep trying things over and over on copies. Good luck. Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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default browser
by emir-rdkfGonbjUTTQjIoRn/dzw＠public.gmane.org 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, (EJH) Emma Jane Hogbin <emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org> wrote: EJH> I have a few KDE apps that I like using for various tasks. Unfortunately EJH> the interface fonts were messed up so I installed the KDE base to get them EJH> working again. KDE has now hijacked my system and is using all of its apps EJH> instead of the ones /I/ want. The current problem is that Mozilla-Firebird EJH> is no longer my default browser. EJH> EJH> Any idea of where to fix this? I tried kcontrol but I couldn't find EJH> anything that would allow me to set the default applications... How do you launch those apps? WindowMaker, for example, has its menus in a file under ~/GNUstep. Find the equivalent for your wm and view it to see where the launcher is pointing to, then use "which" and "ls -l" to find what the launcher is linked to (they're usually just symbolic links). You can then remove the link and create your own ("ln -s TARGET LINKNAME"). -- Emir. "If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now." [Zaphod Beeblebrox] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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