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LF smaller distro to use as foundation to build a custom server onto
by jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b＠public.gmane.org 21 Dec '03

21 Dec '03

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Merv Curley wrote: > On December 21, 2003 12:53 am, Teddy Mills wrote: > > I guess the subject says it all. > > Im looking for a smaller distro to use as a foundation to build a custom > > server onto. > > > Look at Gentoo and Vector Linux. They may be too much work, you'll have > to decide. But you will have a custom system, fully optimized with > Gentoo. I've tried Vector linux just to see how it was. It was pretty good and small. I could see that it was largely based on Slackware 9 though. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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by cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg＠public.gmane.org 21 Dec '03

21 Dec '03

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:12:23 EST, the world broke into rejoicing as David J Patrick <davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org> said: > > >>I think the practice you are slagging is actually "homeopathy". > >>Yes, microdoses sound downright improbable, but I have to say that I > >>have seen it used successfully countless times over the last 30 years. > >>Just because we don't understand something doesn't always mean it's bogus. > >> > >> > > > >"Countless" I am sure. > > > > > OK, so I didn't count 'em, how 'bout "many" ? > > >The _real_ effect may be that patients that drink a bunch of water do > >better than those that are allowed to remain dehydrated. > > > >What we know is that the reasons for efficacity claimed by homeopaths > >are at odds with any notion of common sense, particularly at the high > >dilution levels. After a "100C"-like dilution, there are only a few > >reasonable choices: > > > > - The water being added in contains some unidentified-by-practitioner > > medicative agent; > > > > - Dehydration is the symptom being treated; > > > > - They are engaging in some form of "faith healing" where the > > 'medicine' is merely the substrate to strengthen the recipient's > > faith that something is happening to them. > > OR the our biology responds to extremely subtle agents beyond our > current "scientific" understanding. That was the opening I left in the first choice, namely that something that is not being identified is being added in the water. The notion that our biology responds to chemicals that are not actually present doesn't fit into what could make sense. -- let name="cbbrowne" and tld="acm.org" in name ^ "@" ^ tld;; http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/nonrdbms.html First Fact About Networks "Pipes can be made wider, but not shorter" -- Mark Miller -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 21 Dec '03

21 Dec '03

Anton Markov wrote: > James, > > Although I know there have been numerous clinical trials done on the > advantages of taking vitamin/mineral supplements, I don't have any to > quote right now. This is just out of personal experience and that of > other people: > > After starting to take supplements, people feel less tired. Sometimes I > forget to take them for a few weeks, and then I start to feel very tired > after 6.5 hours of sleep. When I start taking the supplements again, I > start to feel less tired after a few days with the same hectic schedule. > > Also, the combination of Vitamin C and Echinacea supplements work very > well to guard against the flu and common cold. Again, it's just > personal experience and that of others. > > Like any other kind of treatment, it may work for some but not others. > Mostly it's for people who don't get enough natural vitamins in their > diet. If I remember correctly, humans have to eat somewhere around two > or three heads of garlic, four oranges, some crazy amount of carrots, > cabbage, etc. every day to get the recomended amount of vitamins. How > many people actually eat such amounts? Not many. Why? Because we > don't have the time, or we don't like to eat that stuff. Supplements > are simply meant to *supplement* our daily diet. > > We don't have to argue about the importance of vitamins and minerals, do > we? No, but one thing people are often not aware of, is the placebo effect. You take something and feel better, simply because you took something. As for vitamin supplements, yes they can have certain benefits, but there are some who promote excessive use of them, which may prove harmful. So, as with any other medication, you have to be careful. Anything taken to excess, including water and oxygen, can be fatal. I tend to be sceptical of claims put forth by the people selling the product. This is why medication must be studied in a properly conducted trial and the results *PUBLISHED*. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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LF smaller distro to use as foundation to build a custom server onto
by mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ＠public.gmane.org 21 Dec '03

21 Dec '03

On December 21, 2003 12:53 am, Teddy Mills wrote: > I guess the subject says it all. > Im looking for a smaller distro to use as a foundation to build a custom > server onto. > Look at Gentoo and Vector Linux. They may be too much work, you'll have to decide. But you will have a custom system, fully optimized with Gentoo. -- Merv Curley Scarborough, Ont Libranet Linux 2.8 KDE 3.1.4 KMail 1.5.4 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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by anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 21 Dec '03

21 Dec '03

James, Although I know there have been numerous clinical trials done on the advantages of taking vitamin/mineral supplements, I don't have any to quote right now. This is just out of personal experience and that of other people: After starting to take supplements, people feel less tired. Sometimes I forget to take them for a few weeks, and then I start to feel very tired after 6.5 hours of sleep. When I start taking the supplements again, I start to feel less tired after a few days with the same hectic schedule. Also, the combination of Vitamin C and Echinacea supplements work very well to guard against the flu and common cold. Again, it's just personal experience and that of others. Like any other kind of treatment, it may work for some but not others. Mostly it's for people who don't get enough natural vitamins in their diet. If I remember correctly, humans have to eat somewhere around two or three heads of garlic, four oranges, some crazy amount of carrots, cabbage, etc. every day to get the recomended amount of vitamins. How many people actually eat such amounts? Not many. Why? Because we don't have the time, or we don't like to eat that stuff. Supplements are simply meant to *supplement* our daily diet. We don't have to argue about the importance of vitamins and minerals, do we? Actually, if you want expert opinion, here are two articles from the Journal of the American Medical Association: 1. Fairfield, KM and Fletcher, RH. Vitamins for Chronic Disease Prevention in Adults: Scientific Review JAMA. 2002. 287:3116-3126. 2. Fletcher, RH and Fairfield, KM. Vitamins for Chronic Disease Prevention in Adults: Clinical Applications JAMA. 2002. 287:3127-3129. Anton James Knott wrote: > Anton Markov wrote: > >> >> >> David J Patrick wrote: >> >>> Ya want calcium ? Eat spinach. >> >> >> >> Or take Vitamin/Mineral supplements. >> >> I have been taking a combination of Vitamin and Mineral supplements >> for the past four years, and I can say from personal experience (and >> that of everyone else who I know takes them) that they work. I am not >> talking about the cheap stuff you get at the local Shoppers Drug Mart; >> I buy Nutrilite products. > > > How do you know they work? -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPGP Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 "The difference between insanity and genius is measured only by success." - Some bad guy from 007 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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by blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 21 Dec '03

21 Dec '03

> I got a flu shot this year and within 2 hours I had a 40 degree fever. I was > sick for several days. I think I'll be passing on the opportunity next year. That is a rare reaction and it is probably much more likely that you're reacting to the egg albumin (sp?) proteins used in the production of the shot (I believe the strains are incubated in and farmed from eggs). All the virus used has been killed/deactivated so it is *not* the flu you're getting off of the shot. Of course, I am NOT a doctor so do yourself a favour and verify this with a real licensed physician. Don't trust your health to the internet ;) I've heard others use the 'my friend got the shot and caught the flu from it' as an excuse for not getting it. That's a stupid and idiotic reason to risk compromising public health, but a very small number of people do have reactions to other components of the shot that are not the actual virus. Think of the taxes that'll go up 'cos of more hospital visits from sick folk, cutting down on that would be nice. I still have all 4 grandparents alive and pushing 90, some in questionable health, so a good flu might prove capable of killing them. I'd rather avoid that. Although there is no guarantee that the shot will protection against whatever strain turns out to be the big one, it does drive up the odds in our collective favour. It doesn't cost anything and you can probably just walk into any hospital downtown and get one. It's one of the remaining blessings of a socialized healthcare system; look how they're scrambling in the states 'cos of this. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 21 Dec '03

21 Dec '03

Anton Markov wrote: > > > David J Patrick wrote: > >> Ya want calcium ? Eat spinach. > > > Or take Vitamin/Mineral supplements. > > I have been taking a combination of Vitamin and Mineral supplements for > the past four years, and I can say from personal experience (and that of > everyone else who I know takes them) that they work. I am not talking > about the cheap stuff you get at the local Shoppers Drug Mart; I buy > Nutrilite products. How do you know they work? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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by blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 21 Dec '03

21 Dec '03

> I would just like to say, after 3 days of suffering with a temp of 105 and 0 > hours of sleep, anyone else who got this flu bug goin' around, you have my > *deepest* sympathies. Jeez... Is that what I had? Didn't know anyone else who had the flu so I thought it was just me. Last Sunday night didn't feel well, out of commission Monday and Tuesday and a good bit better Wednesday, finally outta the house on Friday. Didn't have the high temperature, but the *zero hours of sleep* comment was pretty much bang on. I'm convinced that glutamine and high vitamin C intake helps greatly. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 21 Dec '03

21 Dec '03

David J Patrick wrote: > OR the our biology responds to extremely subtle agents beyond our > current "scientific" understanding. > djp Given that they're only consuming water, what would those subtle agents be? Can they be shown to work in clinical trials? If not, they're bogus. One of the items that Carl Sagan brought up, was the trips to Lourdes, where miracles supposedly occur. He tallied up the "miracles" that had been acknowlegded by the church and found that the cure rate was less than the natural remission rates. This implies that the "cured" people might just have well stayed home. He further pointed out that the miracle rate was far less than the chance of being killed in a plane crash, while travelling to or from Lourdes. Your "subtle agents" a work??? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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by anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 21 Dec '03

21 Dec '03

David J Patrick wrote: > Ya want calcium ? Eat spinach. Or take Vitamin/Mineral supplements. I have been taking a combination of Vitamin and Mineral supplements for the past four years, and I can say from personal experience (and that of everyone else who I know takes them) that they work. I am not talking about the cheap stuff you get at the local Shoppers Drug Mart; I buy Nutrilite products. -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPGP Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 "The difference between insanity and genius is measured only by success." - Some bad guy from 007 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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