I just noticed "INTEL NUC M15 EVO Platform Consumer Notebook" on sale at Canada Computers. I know about NUC box, but didn't know Intel made a laptop also. Anyone heard anything bad about them?
| From: William Park via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | | I just noticed "INTEL NUC M15 EVO Platform Consumer Notebook" on sale at | Canada Computers. I know about NUC box, but didn't know Intel made a laptop | also. Here's a link to the Canada Computers offering: <https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_4418_4423&item_id=230664> It looks to be a clearance: - 33% discount - no stock for online sale - no stock in my closest store - some stock at other stores Note: if you want this, I have been able to get CC to ship items from another store to your local store if you pay for the item ahead of time. | Anyone heard anything bad about them? I had not heard about this line before. Here's a good article about them from two years ago: <https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/19/21573577/intel-nuc-m15-laptop-news-specs-features-price> I would not buy this particular model. There are computers with similar specs for much less. But then I normally don't like paying for looks or feel. For $1000 I'd want more than FullHD, especially at 15.6". Of course this depends on one's eyes: it might be just right for you. Like most (but not all) high-end notebooks, you cannot upgrade the RAM. 16G is enough probably, but it is great to have an option. My elderly XPS 15 has 32G of RAM because it was easy to replace the 8G that it came with. My impression is that AMD is a better choice for notebook processor at the moment: less power consumption for the same computation. The Apple M1 and M2 are even better, but not yet for Linux.
This computer is now $899.99 from Costco.ca ($0.99 cheaper at Canada computer). A Black Friday thing, at least at Canada Computer. <https://www.costco.ca/intel-nuc-m15-brc710ecuxbd1-intel-evo-laptop%2C-i7-1260p.product.4000101222.html> The warranty support should be better at Costco. I don't think that you have to be a member to order it online. Canada Computer would charge for shipping. I like supporting local stores. CC has a bad reputation for returns but I don't have any personal bad experiences. | From: D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | | | From: William Park via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | | | | I just noticed "INTEL NUC M15 EVO Platform Consumer Notebook" on sale at | | Canada Computers. I know about NUC box, but didn't know Intel made a laptop | | also. | | Here's a link to the Canada Computers offering: | <https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_4418_4423&item_id=230664> | It looks to be a clearance: | - 33% discount | - no stock for online sale | - no stock in my closest store | - some stock at other stores | Note: if you want this, I have been able to get CC to ship items from | another store to your local store if you pay for the item ahead of time. | | | Anyone heard anything bad about them? | | I had not heard about this line before. | | Here's a good article about them from two years ago: | <https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/19/21573577/intel-nuc-m15-laptop-news-specs-features-price> | | I would not buy this particular model. There are computers with similar | specs for much less. But then I normally don't like paying for looks or | feel. | | For $1000 I'd want more than FullHD, especially at 15.6". Of course this | depends on one's eyes: it might be just right for you. | | Like most (but not all) high-end notebooks, you cannot upgrade the RAM. | 16G is enough probably, but it is great to have an option. My elderly XPS | 15 has 32G of RAM because it was easy to replace the 8G that it came with. | | My impression is that AMD is a better choice for notebook processor at the | moment: less power consumption for the same computation. The Apple M1 and | M2 are even better, but not yet for Linux.
Thanks for update. Costco includes shipping, whereas Canada Computers is for pickup. At work, we recently got Lenovo P1 Gen3, and it's flaky. My laptop doesn't recognize AC power plug, so I have to charge via USB-C. Everything is off USB, even the docking station, and it disconnects often. You can hear Windows notifications. So, network hangs, USB disk hangs, serial dongle hangs, etc. Fans is blasting even in sleep mode. Hopefully, Intel uses "Intel components"... On 2022-11-18 18:18, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
This computer is now $899.99 from Costco.ca ($0.99 cheaper at Canada computer). A Black Friday thing, at least at Canada Computer. <https://www.costco.ca/intel-nuc-m15-brc710ecuxbd1-intel-evo-laptop%2C-i7-1260p.product.4000101222.html>
The warranty support should be better at Costco. I don't think that you have to be a member to order it online.
Canada Computer would charge for shipping.
I like supporting local stores. CC has a bad reputation for returns but I don't have any personal bad experiences.
| From: D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | | | From: William Park via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | | | | I just noticed "INTEL NUC M15 EVO Platform Consumer Notebook" on sale at | | Canada Computers. I know about NUC box, but didn't know Intel made a laptop | | also. | | Here's a link to the Canada Computers offering: | <https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_4418_4423&item_id=230664> | It looks to be a clearance: | - 33% discount | - no stock for online sale | - no stock in my closest store | - some stock at other stores | Note: if you want this, I have been able to get CC to ship items from | another store to your local store if you pay for the item ahead of time. | | | Anyone heard anything bad about them? | | I had not heard about this line before. | | Here's a good article about them from two years ago: | <https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/19/21573577/intel-nuc-m15-laptop-news-specs-features-price> | | I would not buy this particular model. There are computers with similar | specs for much less. But then I normally don't like paying for looks or | feel. | | For $1000 I'd want more than FullHD, especially at 15.6". Of course this | depends on one's eyes: it might be just right for you. | | Like most (but not all) high-end notebooks, you cannot upgrade the RAM. | 16G is enough probably, but it is great to have an option. My elderly XPS | 15 has 32G of RAM because it was easy to replace the 8G that it came with. | | My impression is that AMD is a better choice for notebook processor at the | moment: less power consumption for the same computation. The Apple M1 and | M2 are even better, but not yet for Linux. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
| From: William Park via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | At work, we recently got Lenovo P1 Gen3, and it's flaky. My laptop doesn't | recognize AC power plug, so I have to charge via USB-C. Everything is off USB, | even the docking station, and it disconnects often. You can hear Windows | notifications. So, network hangs, USB disk hangs, serial dongle hangs, etc. | Fans is blasting even in sleep mode. P1 *should* be quite nice. Hope you got them on sale. Modern power supplies are pretty tricky. Lenovo support should be able to handle this. Of course there are a few problems if it involves returning the device: - how can you eliminate confidential files from the system before returning it? Theoretically very difficult with an SSD (wear-levelling is magic). - all your work configuring the system needs to be redone when you get it back. - you are missing the machine for a few weeks. I think Lenovo offers a service that allows you to retain the disk when you send the device in for repair. It may cost.
I've actually had good enough luck with USB-C that I leave my Acer's native power supply at home when I travel. There are some decent USB PD hubs available that will power/charge the laptop while also supporting other USB plugins, and some also have secondary video (by HDMI or USB-C) and even wired Ethernet. Here's one example <https://www.amazon.ca/Adapter-LASUNEY-Compatible-MacBook-Laptops/dp/B07Z3Q68LV/ref=sr_1_7> - Evan On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 11:01 AM D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk < talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
| From: William Park via talk <talk@gtalug.org>
| At work, we recently got Lenovo P1 Gen3, and it's flaky. My laptop doesn't | recognize AC power plug, so I have to charge via USB-C. Everything is off USB, | even the docking station, and it disconnects often. You can hear Windows | notifications. So, network hangs, USB disk hangs, serial dongle hangs, etc. | Fans is blasting even in sleep mode.
P1 *should* be quite nice. Hope you got them on sale.
Modern power supplies are pretty tricky.
Lenovo support should be able to handle this. Of course there are a few problems if it involves returning the device:
- how can you eliminate confidential files from the system before returning it? Theoretically very difficult with an SSD (wear-levelling is magic).
- all your work configuring the system needs to be redone when you get it back.
- you are missing the machine for a few weeks.
I think Lenovo offers a service that allows you to retain the disk when you send the device in for repair. It may cost. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
That's horrible. I'd certainly exchange the laptop. Does USB-C charge as quickly as AC mains power? Is it a power supply or a laptop issue? Don On Sun, 20 Nov 2022 at 11:00, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
| From: William Park via talk <talk@gtalug.org>
| At work, we recently got Lenovo P1 Gen3, and it's flaky. My laptop doesn't | recognize AC power plug, so I have to charge via USB-C. Everything is off USB, | even the docking station, and it disconnects often. You can hear Windows | notifications. So, network hangs, USB disk hangs, serial dongle hangs, etc. | Fans is blasting even in sleep mode.
P1 *should* be quite nice. Hope you got them on sale.
Modern power supplies are pretty tricky.
Lenovo support should be able to handle this. Of course there are a few problems if it involves returning the device:
- how can you eliminate confidential files from the system before returning it? Theoretically very difficult with an SSD (wear-levelling is magic).
- all your work configuring the system needs to be redone when you get it back.
- you are missing the machine for a few weeks.
I think Lenovo offers a service that allows you to retain the disk when you send the device in for repair. It may cost. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
| From: Don Tai via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | | That's horrible. I'd certainly exchange the laptop. Does USB-C charge as | quickly as AC mains power? Is it a power supply or a laptop issue? I've seen a video that disassembled a Lenovo charger that supplies more current than USB C allows. Apparently Lenovo has its own private protocol for these beyond-standard power levels. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF83eREIYwU> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj3NtY6YRWY>
On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 10:33:50PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
I've seen a video that disassembled a Lenovo charger that supplies more current than USB C allows.
Apparently Lenovo has its own private protocol for these beyond-standard power levels.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF83eREIYwU> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj3NtY6YRWY>
Hmm, so they made a custom cable and increased the current from 5A to 6.75A. Obviously they must have some custom signalling to indicate to the charger that it is the right cable and device for the extra current. Of course if they used USB PD 3.1 they could have just used the standard and gotten up to 48V 5A, and hence 240W. I guess they either did this before PD 3.1 was done, or they want 20V rather than something higher. I think one of the videos said the chip inside the cable was certified for PD 3.1 but seems the charger is only 3.0, so perhaps they just had a reason to use 20V and wanted a higher current. Needing a custom cable and charger is certainly annoying but I would hope it also works fairly well with 100W on a standard cable and charger. -- Len Sorensen
I think it's laptop, because AC power works on my personal T450. On 2022-11-21 17:04, Don Tai via talk wrote:
That's horrible. I'd certainly exchange the laptop. Does USB-C charge as quickly as AC mains power? Is it a power supply or a laptop issue?
Don
On Sun, 20 Nov 2022 at 11:00, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk <talk@gtalug.org <mailto:talk@gtalug.org>> wrote:
| From: William Park via talk <talk@gtalug.org <mailto:talk@gtalug.org>>
| At work, we recently got Lenovo P1 Gen3, and it's flaky. My laptop doesn't | recognize AC power plug, so I have to charge via USB-C. Everything is off USB, | even the docking station, and it disconnects often. You can hear Windows | notifications. So, network hangs, USB disk hangs, serial dongle hangs, etc. | Fans is blasting even in sleep mode.
P1 *should* be quite nice. Hope you got them on sale.
Modern power supplies are pretty tricky.
Lenovo support should be able to handle this. Of course there are a few problems if it involves returning the device:
- how can you eliminate confidential files from the system before returning it? Theoretically very difficult with an SSD (wear-levelling is magic).
- all your work configuring the system needs to be redone when you get it back.
- you are missing the machine for a few weeks.
I think Lenovo offers a service that allows you to retain the disk when you send the device in for repair. It may cost. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org <mailto:talk@gtalug.org> Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk <https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk>
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