Anyone got recommendations? I’m not looking for anything fancy, just something that I can use occasionally that won’t die after a dozen or so uses. I travel once a month and I’m getting too old to rely on just the laptop screen. Thanks -nick
From: Nick Accad via talk <talk@gtalug.org>
Anyone got recommendations?
I’m not looking for anything fancy, just something that I can use occasionally that won’t die after a dozen or so uses.
I travel once a month and I’m getting too old to rely on just the laptop screen.
What size are you thinking of? There is a lot of overlap in the size of portable monitors and the size of laptop screens. Is the benefit from having two screens or having a bigger screen?
Just to make sure, trying to think outside the box, what do you need: --needs to operate from a battery, or is AC enough? --could an adapter to the TV in a hotel room suffice? --an HDMI frame grabber connecting to USB on a tablet computer? The latter is from a not recently travelling person, not sure if hotel TVs might have an accessible port for connecting a computer to. Most home TVs have HDMI input and laptops HDMI output, so all you'd need would be a (possibly long) cable. otherwise various conversion adapters are available. also, as a non-user, can VR headsets connect to a computer to give you a virtual screen as tall as the ceiling, and 360 degrees around the room? Unless your needs are special and/or light weight, you can visit a thrift store and get last years flatscreens for peanuts. Go to the wealthiest community around, in the poorer areas, the 1024x768 displays start at $20, in the wealthy areas, the pivot 1920x1280 displays go for $10-$15. And if you drop it, or airline loses it, just go get another. I used an HDMI frame grabber to take the display from one notebook computer and share it in a zoom session on a desktop computer, to show real time what happens with an unusual operating system on the notebook, or installation of an OS on that notebook. <pre>--Carey</pre>
On 07/26/2024 10:52 PM CDT D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
From: Nick Accad via talk <talk@gtalug.org>
Anyone got recommendations?
I’m not looking for anything fancy, just something that I can use occasionally that won’t die after a dozen or so uses.
I travel once a month and I’m getting too old to rely on just the laptop screen.
The one constant about my accommodations while traveling is inconsistency. I stayed at a place once where they advertised "Colour TV", another 4-star hotel had a bezel around the TV to block access to the ports. Sometimes I stay with friends and family, where taking over their TV is not.. polite? Buying a throw away monitor every time I travel is not an optimal solution because not everywhere I go has such things. VR headset is an interesting idea that I did not look into, but it comes with a learning curve, and I am not sure I want to test this on the road, maybe a future project from my office to see how comfortable enough I can be, do you have any examples or write up on how that works with X/Wayland? I need a simple thing I can pull out of my "travel crash cart", that does not rely on anything that I don't carry with me, hence portable laptop, something in the 15-16", AC/DC should be enough, if it pulls power from the laptop that is even better, but not necessary. I grabbed one off eBay, it was $99, $135 after taxes and fees, that way I won't cry too hard if it fails on me, we'll see. If anyone has an experience with specific models, please let me know. -nick On Sat, Jul 27, 2024 at 8:57 AM CAREY SCHUG via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Just to make sure, trying to think outside the box, what do you need:
--needs to operate from a battery, or is AC enough? --could an adapter to the TV in a hotel room suffice? --an HDMI frame grabber connecting to USB on a tablet computer?
The latter is from a not recently travelling person, not sure if hotel TVs might have an accessible port for connecting a computer to. Most home TVs have HDMI input and laptops HDMI output, so all you'd need would be a (possibly long) cable. otherwise various conversion adapters are available.
also, as a non-user, can VR headsets connect to a computer to give you a virtual screen as tall as the ceiling, and 360 degrees around the room?
Unless your needs are special and/or light weight, you can visit a thrift store and get last years flatscreens for peanuts. Go to the wealthiest community around, in the poorer areas, the 1024x768 displays start at $20, in the wealthy areas, the pivot 1920x1280 displays go for $10-$15. And if you drop it, or airline loses it, just go get another.
I used an HDMI frame grabber to take the display from one notebook computer and share it in a zoom session on a desktop computer, to show real time what happens with an unusual operating system on the notebook, or installation of an OS on that notebook.
<pre>--Carey</pre>
On 07/26/2024 10:52 PM CDT D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
From: Nick Accad via talk <talk@gtalug.org>
Anyone got recommendations?
I’m not looking for anything fancy, just something that I can use occasionally that won’t die after a dozen or so uses.
I travel once a month and I’m getting too old to rely on just the laptop screen.
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last minute update: Wowser, I didn't even know portable screens were a thing. maybe I'll get a couple for my desktop at home... https://www.ebay.com/itm/315365426457?epid=22055444403 Maybe do virtual machines with one dedicated monitor for each on a powered 7-way USB hub. original reply, maybe obsolete now: The VR headset, of course, is not multiple screens but one very large one. And the learning curve would be at home. Imagine, ALL THE TIME, but starting at home, instead of 2 or 3 screens of a mere 3000x2000 pixels, you have one 50,000x12,000 VR screen, in your lay-z-boy, watching two football games, looking up stats of the players, responding to emails, doing web searches to plan your next vacation, and whatever else, ALL AT THE SAME TIME? Don't jump on me, I have never watched football in my life, but just using something most guys do. Another option is a cable that plugs into the HDMI output on your laptop and creates a camera to the USB input on any tablet computer. And you can take the tablet to a coffee shop after a meeting where there isn't room for a full notebook. I didn't mean to throw the monitor away each time, just that it would be no loss if it got broken or lost by the airline, "died after a dozen uses" (your words), you bought stuff for the wife and kids and would it put you into an extra $$$ baggage charge, etc. --Carey
On 07/27/2024 10:37 AM CDT Nick Accad via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
The one constant about my accommodations while traveling is inconsistency.
I stayed at a place once where they advertised "Colour TV", another 4-star hotel had a bezel around the TV to block access to the ports.
Sometimes I stay with friends and family, where taking over their TV is not.. polite?
Buying a throw away monitor every time I travel is not an optimal solution because not everywhere I go has such things.
VR headset is an interesting idea that I did not look into, but it comes with a learning curve, and I am not sure I want to test this on the road, maybe a future project from my office to see how comfortable enough I can be, do you have any examples or write up on how that works with X/Wayland?
I need a simple thing I can pull out of my "travel crash cart", that does not rely on anything that I don't carry with me, hence portable laptop, something in the 15-16", AC/DC should be enough, if it pulls power from the laptop that is even better, but not necessary.
I grabbed one off eBay, it was $99, $135 after taxes and fees, that way I won't cry too hard if it fails on me, we'll see.
If anyone has an experience with specific models, please let me know.
-nick
On Sat, Jul 27, 2024 at 8:57 AM CAREY SCHUG via talk <talk@gtalug.org mailto:talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Just to make sure, trying to think outside the box, what do you need:
--needs to operate from a battery, or is AC enough? --could an adapter to the TV in a hotel room suffice? --an HDMI frame grabber connecting to USB on a tablet computer?
The latter is from a not recently travelling person, not sure if hotel TVs might have an accessible port for connecting a computer to. Most home TVs have HDMI input and laptops HDMI output, so all you'd need would be a (possibly long) cable. otherwise various conversion adapters are available.
also, as a non-user, can VR headsets connect to a computer to give you a virtual screen as tall as the ceiling, and 360 degrees around the room?
Unless your needs are special and/or light weight, you can visit a thrift store and get last years flatscreens for peanuts. Go to the wealthiest community around, in the poorer areas, the 1024x768 displays start at $20, in the wealthy areas, the pivot 1920x1280 displays go for $10-$15. And if you drop it, or airline loses it, just go get another.
I used an HDMI frame grabber to take the display from one notebook computer and share it in a zoom session on a desktop computer, to show real time what happens with an unusual operating system on the notebook, or installation of an OS on that notebook.
<pre>--Carey</pre>
Carey, I have read multiple reports discussing unpleasant physiological effects from VR headset use. Seems like these effects can be quite debilitating. Try an internet search for "vr headset health concerns". Steve Petrie Etobicoke (Toronto), Ontario, Canada apetrie@aspetrie.net -------- Original Message -------- SUBJECT: Re: [GTALUG] Portable Monitors DATE: 2024-07-28 07:32 FROM: CAREY SCHUG via talk <talk@gtalug.org> TO: GTALUG Talk <talk@gtalug.org> last minute update: Wowser, I didn't even know portable screens were a thing. maybe I'll get a couple for my desktop at home... https://www.ebay.com/itm/315365426457?epid=22055444403 Maybe do virtual machines with one dedicated monitor for each on a powered 7-way USB hub. original reply, maybe obsolete now: The VR headset, of course, is not multiple screens but one very large one. And the learning curve would be at home. Imagine, ALL THE TIME, but starting at home, instead of 2 or 3 screens of a mere 3000x2000 pixels, you have one 50,000x12,000 VR screen, in your lay-z-boy, watching two football games, looking up stats of the players, responding to emails, doing web searches to plan your next vacation, and whatever else, ALL AT THE SAME TIME? Don't jump on me, I have never watched football in my life, but just using something most guys do. Another option is a cable that plugs into the HDMI output on your laptop and creates a camera to the USB input on any tablet computer. And you can take the tablet to a coffee shop after a meeting where there isn't room for a full notebook. I didn't mean to throw the monitor away each time, just that it would be no loss if it got broken or lost by the airline, "died after a dozen uses" (your words), you bought stuff for the wife and kids and would it put you into an extra $$$ baggage charge, etc. --Carey
On 07/27/2024 10:37 AM CDT Nick Accad via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
The one constant about my accommodations while traveling is inconsistency.
I stayed at a place once where they advertised "Colour TV", another 4-star hotel had a bezel around the TV to block access to the ports.
Sometimes I stay with friends and family, where taking over their TV is not.. polite?
Buying a throw away monitor every time I travel is not an optimal solution because not everywhere I go has such things.
VR headset is an interesting idea that I did not look into, but it comes with a learning curve, and I am not sure I want to test this on the road, maybe a future project from my office to see how comfortable enough I can be, do you have any examples or write up on how that works with X/Wayland?
I need a simple thing I can pull out of my "travel crash cart", that does not rely on anything that I don't carry with me, hence portable laptop, something in the 15-16", AC/DC should be enough, if it pulls power from the laptop that is even better, but not necessary.
I grabbed one off eBay, it was $99, $135 after taxes and fees, that way I won't cry too hard if it fails on me, we'll see.
If anyone has an experience with specific models, please let me know.
-nick
On Sat, Jul 27, 2024 at 8:57 AM CAREY SCHUG via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Just to make sure, trying to think outside the box, what do you need:
--needs to operate from a battery, or is AC enough? --could an adapter to the TV in a hotel room suffice? --an HDMI frame grabber connecting to USB on a tablet computer?
The latter is from a not recently travelling person, not sure if hotel TVs might have an accessible port for connecting a computer to. Most home TVs have HDMI input and laptops HDMI output, so all you'd need would be a (possibly long) cable. otherwise various conversion adapters are available.
also, as a non-user, can VR headsets connect to a computer to give you a virtual screen as tall as the ceiling, and 360 degrees around the room?
Unless your needs are special and/or light weight, you can visit a thrift store and get last years flatscreens for peanuts. Go to the wealthiest community around, in the poorer areas, the 1024x768 displays start at $20, in the wealthy areas, the pivot 1920x1280 displays go for $10-$15. And if you drop it, or airline loses it, just go get another.
I used an HDMI frame grabber to take the display from one notebook computer and share it in a zoom session on a desktop computer, to show real time what happens with an unusual operating system on the notebook, or installation of an OS on that notebook.
<pre>--Carey</pre>
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On 7/28/24 8:18 AM, Steve Petrie via talk wrote:
*Carey,*
I have read multiple reports discussing unpleasant physiological effects from VR headset use.
Seems like these effects can be quite debilitating.
Try an internet search for "vr headset health concerns".
Years ago when working on some 3d simulation projects this kind of thing was described as simulator sickness. I would imagine that VR headsets would be worse because of the latency between your head motion and the display redrawing the screen. I had a chance to play a VR game that was being demoed at one of the local malls and it did not seem too sickness inducing but it was a 5 minute experience and a few hours with a headset could be much worse. -- Alvin Starr || land: (647)478-6285 Netvel Inc. || Cell: (416)806-0133 alvin@netvel.net ||
That would seem to be a technical issue. if the entire panorama was stored in memory in the vr headset, the latency should be so little as to not be an issue. One I will probably never know, as I stated earlier, I am blind in one eye, so not sure how well they would work at all, and for a long time will be priced at double their utility to me. are the now discontinued "google glasses" the same thing, but with see through? --Carey
On 07/29/2024 9:01 AM CDT Alvin Starr via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On 7/28/24 8:18 AM, Steve Petrie via talk wrote:
Carey,
I have read multiple reports discussing unpleasant physiological effects from VR headset use.
Seems like these effects can be quite debilitating.
Try an internet search for "vr headset health concerns".
Years ago when working on some 3d simulation projects this kind of thing was described as simulator sickness.
I would imagine that VR headsets would be worse because of the latency between your head motion and the display redrawing the screen.
I had a chance to play a VR game that was being demoed at one of the local malls and it did not seem too sickness inducing but it was a 5 minute experience and a few hours with a headset could be much worse.
-- Alvin Starr
CAREY SCHUG via talk said on Sun, 28 Jul 2024 06:32:14 -0500 (CDT)
last minute update: Wowser, I didn't even know portable screens were a thing. maybe I'll get a couple for my desktop at home... https://www.ebay.com/itm/315365426457?epid=22055444403 Maybe do virtual machines with one dedicated monitor for each on a powered 7-way USB hub.
Wow, $49! If you have the eyesight to use a 10 inch screen, grab them now! Me, my days of a ten inch screen (Kaypro 2x) are long gone. I think these monitors would be great to use with a raspberry Pi. SteveT Steve Litt http://444domains.com
I have a portable 16.5" 4k monitor from uPerfect. Once you get a high-quality power supply and a good miniHDMI-to-HDMI cable, it works wonderfully, and pairs well with my Lenovo X1 laptop (also with a 4k monitor). Not at 10" screen -- no compromises. Been using it for two or three years and it's as solid as a rock. On 7/28/24 11:14 AM, Steve Litt via talk wrote:
CAREY SCHUG via talk said on Sun, 28 Jul 2024 06:32:14 -0500 (CDT)
last minute update: Wowser, I didn't even know portable screens were a thing. maybe I'll get a couple for my desktop at home... https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2F315365426457%3Fepid%3D22055444403&data=05%7C02%7Cpeter.king%40utoronto.ca%7C39e3b729a5f2492b259508dcaf180c19%7C78aac2262f034b4d9037b46d56c55210%7C0%7C0%7C638577765461635517%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=c3UEbZQ6p2o5f2eF4Vfu3g2cQgMSyaE2l2hY7NLixFw%3D&reserved=0 Maybe do virtual machines with one dedicated monitor for each on a powered 7-way USB hub. Wow, $49! If you have the eyesight to use a 10 inch screen, grab them now! Me, my days of a ten inch screen (Kaypro 2x) are long gone.
I think these monitors would be great to use with a raspberry Pi.
SteveT
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From: Steve Litt via talk <talk@gtalug.org>
Wow, $49! If you have the eyesight to use a 10 inch screen, grab them now! Me, my days of a ten inch screen (Kaypro 2x) are long gone.
I think that the Kaypro had 9" screen. Much better than the Osborne's 5" screen. Since it only had 80 x 25 characters, it was quite readable. I admit that I haven't tried to read it with my senior eyes. I think that the original Mac had a 9" screen too.
On Sun, Jul 28, 2024 at 06:32:14AM -0500, CAREY SCHUG via talk wrote:
last minute update: Wowser, I didn't even know portable screens were a thing. maybe I'll get a couple for my desktop at home... https://www.ebay.com/itm/315365426457?epid=22055444403
"Does not ship to Canada" :(
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I didn't do this project myself but you can apparently liberate the display out of a laptop. You need a piece called a controller for the particular display and I think an HDMI converter. Also some models of mobile device can be used as an external monitor. So your phone gives you a bit extra. There was a subreddit devoted to peoples insane portable computing setups. Like multiple external monitors attached to side of laptop.. In a coffee shop or at the park. Idr the name of it off the top of my head. And since VR got brought up I'll also ask if you have considered a projector. For the sake of completeness. On July 26, 2024 9:23:20 PM EDT, Nick Accad via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Anyone got recommendations?
I’m not looking for anything fancy, just something that I can use occasionally that won’t die after a dozen or so uses.
I travel once a month and I’m getting too old to rely on just the laptop screen.
Thanks
-nick
Morning, Would this do? https://www.cdw.ca/product/lenovo-thinkvision-m14d-led-monitor-14/7118444?pf... Don't own it, but seen it and know someone who use it and said its fine Regards, William On Tue, 30 Jul 2024 at 23:37, bitmap via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I didn't do this project myself but you can apparently liberate the display out of a laptop. You need a piece called a controller for the particular display and I think an HDMI converter.
Also some models of mobile device can be used as an external monitor. So your phone gives you a bit extra.
There was a subreddit devoted to peoples insane portable computing setups. Like multiple external monitors attached to side of laptop.. In a coffee shop or at the park. Idr the name of it off the top of my head.
And since VR got brought up I'll also ask if you have considered a projector. For the sake of completeness.
On July 26, 2024 9:23:20 PM EDT, Nick Accad via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Anyone got recommendations?
I’m not looking for anything fancy, just something that I can use occasionally that won’t die after a dozen or so uses.
I travel once a month and I’m getting too old to rely on just the laptop screen.
Thanks
-nick
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Multiple replies here: 1. I did convert a laptop display in the past, and while it was a fun project, the cost and the "ugliness" of the finished product makes this route not suitable 2. Projectors came to mind, but they are bulky to carry and not everywhere has a clean wall I can use, again, my goal here is "crash cart scenario" 3. I ended up getting this: https://www.arzopa.com/collections/hot-deals/products/s1-table-15-6-fhd-port... It worked.. "OK", niot great, my main complaint is that the USB-C connection is a hit or miss, it worked on an Android phone for example, but it did not work on my souped up Dell/Windows laptop, and the support response is "just use USB-C for power and use the HDMI for display". Yup, it's going back. I think I'm just going to drag my beast to CanadaComputers and test things with them before buying anything. Thanks for all the responses -nick On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 11:19 AM William Muriithi via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Morning,
Would this do?
https://www.cdw.ca/product/lenovo-thinkvision-m14d-led-monitor-14/7118444?pf...
Don't own it, but seen it and know someone who use it and said its fine
Regards, William
On Tue, 30 Jul 2024 at 23:37, bitmap via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I didn't do this project myself but you can apparently liberate the display out of a laptop. You need a piece called a controller for the particular display and I think an HDMI converter.
Also some models of mobile device can be used as an external monitor. So your phone gives you a bit extra.
There was a subreddit devoted to peoples insane portable computing setups. Like multiple external monitors attached to side of laptop.. In a coffee shop or at the park. Idr the name of it off the top of my head.
And since VR got brought up I'll also ask if you have considered a projector. For the sake of completeness.
On July 26, 2024 9:23:20 PM EDT, Nick Accad via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Anyone got recommendations?
I’m not looking for anything fancy, just something that I can use occasionally that won’t die after a dozen or so uses.
I travel once a month and I’m getting too old to rely on just the laptop screen.
Thanks
-nick
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3. I ended up getting this: https://www.arzopa.com/collections/hot-deals/products/s1-table-15-6-fhd-port...
It worked.. "OK", niot great, my main complaint is that the USB-C connection is a hit or miss, it worked on an Android phone for example, but it did not work on my souped up Dell/Windows laptop, and the support response is "just use USB-C for power and use the HDMI for display". Yup, it's going back.
The display specs say: Input Interface: Mini HD(Video Signal), Type-C Full Function(Video Data, Power Supply ISDN), I don't know what Mini HD is, but I would guess that it is really Mini HDMI. <https://www.howtogeek.com/745530/hdmi-vs-mini-hdmi-vs-micro-hdmi-whats-the-difference/> Mini HDMI isn't that common. I think Raspberry Pi uses it. USB 3.x can and often does support Power Delivery, and DisplayPort at the same time. If your computer is new enough, you only need a USB C male-to-male cab. If not, you need a Mini HDMI cable and a USB C charger. Or did I misunderstand somehting?
On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 13:57 D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
From: Nick Accad via talk <talk@gtalug.org>
3. I ended up getting this:
https://www.arzopa.com/collections/hot-deals/products/s1-table-15-6-fhd-port...
It worked.. "OK", niot great, my main complaint is that the USB-C connection is a hit or miss, it worked on an Android phone for example,
but
it did not work on my souped up Dell/Windows laptop, and the support response is "just use USB-C for power and use the HDMI for display". Yup, it's going back.
The display specs say: Input Interface: Mini HD(Video Signal), Type-C Full Function(Video Data, Power Supply ISDN),
I don't know what Mini HD is, but I would guess that it is really Mini HDMI. < https://www.howtogeek.com/745530/hdmi-vs-mini-hdmi-vs-micro-hdmi-whats-the-d...
Mini HDMI isn't that common. I think Raspberry Pi uses it.
USB 3.x can and often does support Power Delivery, and DisplayPort at the same time.
If your computer is new enough, you only need a USB C male-to-male cab.
If not, you need a Mini HDMI cable and a USB C charger.
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Nope you got it, the usb-c to my laptop didn’t even detect a device. And my laptop is really top of the line, we get what we call “engineering laptops” from Dell, mine is not even a year old. I could technically get a usb-c to hdmi adapter, but I was hoping for a single cable a la thunderbolt. I’ll check in later if I find something that works
Hi Nick. I ran into a similar-ish problem about a year ago. Sat down at a desk at TPL and plugged my Mac into the Dell docking bay attached to a Dell monitor ... and nothing happened. I was informed by local staff that this was expected - because Dell uses a proprietary style of docking bay (standard USB-C port, non-standard behaviour). Essentially, it doesn't work unless you have a Dell laptop. Dell sometimes makes good products. But I've been bitten by their inclination to "proprietary and our way is best" often enough that I avoid their products on principle and assume that problems like this are a result of choices they made. This may not be true, but you should look into how that "engineering laptop" of yours is designed and what it supports instead of assuming that the portable monitor was at fault. I bet it would work with a Dell portable monitor ... Kind of hard for me to whinge about proprietary lock-in in the same sentence in which I admit I was using a Mac - but Apple has always been very clear that they have a walled garden (and they fully follow the USB-C spec). Dell doesn't make their proprietary behaviour clear. On Wed, 31 Jul 2024 at 15:05, Nick Accad via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 13:57 D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
From: Nick Accad via talk <talk@gtalug.org>
3. I ended up getting this: https://www.arzopa.com/collections/hot-deals/products/s1-table-15-6-fhd-port...
It worked.. "OK", niot great, my main complaint is that the USB-C connection is a hit or miss, it worked on an Android phone for example, but it did not work on my souped up Dell/Windows laptop, and the support response is "just use USB-C for power and use the HDMI for display". Yup, it's going back.
The display specs say: Input Interface: Mini HD(Video Signal), Type-C Full Function(Video Data, Power Supply ISDN),
I don't know what Mini HD is, but I would guess that it is really Mini HDMI. <https://www.howtogeek.com/745530/hdmi-vs-mini-hdmi-vs-micro-hdmi-whats-the-difference/>
Mini HDMI isn't that common. I think Raspberry Pi uses it.
USB 3.x can and often does support Power Delivery, and DisplayPort at the same time.
If your computer is new enough, you only need a USB C male-to-male cab.
If not, you need a Mini HDMI cable and a USB C charger.
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Nope you got it, the usb-c to my laptop didn’t even detect a device. And my laptop is really top of the line, we get what we call “engineering laptops” from Dell, mine is not even a year old.
I could technically get a usb-c to hdmi adapter, but I was hoping for a single cable a la thunderbolt.
I’ll check in later if I find something that works
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On Thu, Aug 1, 2024 at 07:56 Giles Orr via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Hi Nick.
I ran into a similar-ish problem about a year ago. Sat down at a desk at TPL and plugged my Mac into the Dell docking bay attached to a Dell monitor ... and nothing happened. I was informed by local staff that this was expected - because Dell uses a proprietary style of docking bay (standard USB-C port, non-standard behaviour). Essentially, it doesn't work unless you have a Dell laptop.
Dell sometimes makes good products. But I've been bitten by their inclination to "proprietary and our way is best" often enough that I avoid their products on principle and assume that problems like this are a result of choices they made. This may not be true, but you should look into how that "engineering laptop" of yours is designed and what it supports instead of assuming that the portable monitor was at fault. I bet it would work with a Dell portable monitor ...
Kind of hard for me to whinge about proprietary lock-in in the same sentence in which I admit I was using a Mac - but Apple has always been very clear that they have a walled garden (and they fully follow the USB-C spec). Dell doesn't make their proprietary behaviour clear.
On Wed, 31 Jul 2024 at 15:05, Nick Accad via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 13:57 D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk <
talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
From: Nick Accad via talk <talk@gtalug.org>
3. I ended up getting this:
https://www.arzopa.com/collections/hot-deals/products/s1-table-15-6-fhd-port...
It worked.. "OK", niot great, my main complaint is that the USB-C connection is a hit or miss, it worked on an Android phone for
example, but
it did not work on my souped up Dell/Windows laptop, and the support response is "just use USB-C for power and use the HDMI for display". Yup, it's going back.
The display specs say: Input Interface: Mini HD(Video Signal), Type-C Full Function(Video Data, Power Supply ISDN),
I don't know what Mini HD is, but I would guess that it is really Mini HDMI. < https://www.howtogeek.com/745530/hdmi-vs-mini-hdmi-vs-micro-hdmi-whats-the-d...
Mini HDMI isn't that common. I think Raspberry Pi uses it.
USB 3.x can and often does support Power Delivery, and DisplayPort at the same time.
If your computer is new enough, you only need a USB C male-to-male cab.
If not, you need a Mini HDMI cable and a USB C charger.
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Nope you got it, the usb-c to my laptop didn’t even detect a device. And my laptop is really top of the line, we get what we call “engineering laptops” from Dell, mine is not even a year old.
I could technically get a usb-c to hdmi adapter, but I was hoping for a single cable a la thunderbolt.
I’ll check in later if I find something that works
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Ok, so maybe it’s a Dell issue, I tried it with a Samsung ARM that my son uses and it works, I don’t have anything else to test with but it proves your point. I actually never knew about Dell doing proprietary things in there, I wonder if I can reach someone in the hardware team to ask them about this I’m still in the same place though, I cannot use it even if it is “not their fault”, maybe I can find other uses for it Thanks for this, I was not aware
William Muriithi via talk said on Wed, 31 Jul 2024 11:24:49 -0400
Morning,
Would this do?
https://www.cdw.ca/product/lenovo-thinkvision-m14d-led-monitor-14/7118444?pf...
Don't own it, but seen it and know someone who use it and said its fine
If you're going to be carting it around with your laptop or even Raspberry Pi, it's too big. If it's going to sit in one place just to give you a bigger and better laptop screen, it's too small. SteveT Steve Litt http://444domains.com
I didn't do this project myself (yet?), but you can apparently liberate the display out of a laptop. You need a piece called a controller for the particular display (aliexpress, ebay etc) and it can be rigged to an HDMI in. Also some models of mobile device can be used as an external monitor. So your phone gives you a bit extra. An excuse to buy a tablet. Depending on use case, could consider vnc, x2go or other remote access from mobile. There was a subreddit devoted to peoples insane portable computing setups. Like multiple external monitors attached to side of laptop.. In a coffee shop or at the park. Idr the name of it off the top of my head. And since VR got brought up I'll also ask if you have considered a projector. For the sake of completeness. On July 26, 2024 9:23:20 PM EDT, Nick Accad via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Anyone got recommendations?
I’m not looking for anything fancy, just something that I can use occasionally that won’t die after a dozen or so uses.
I travel once a month and I’m getting too old to rely on just the laptop screen.
Thanks
-nick
Not particularly helpful, perhaps, for this use case, but... You can do the same thing with other flat-screens. In particular, older all-in-ones (like Dell or iMac). You can often get older such machines for cheap. ../Dave On Tue, 30 Jul 2024 at 22:22, bitmap via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I didn't do this project myself (yet?), but you can apparently liberate the display out of a laptop. You need a piece called a controller for the particular display (aliexpress, ebay etc) and it can be rigged to an HDMI in.
Also some models of mobile device can be used as an external monitor. So your phone gives you a bit extra. An excuse to buy a tablet. Depending on use case, could consider vnc, x2go or other remote access from mobile.
There was a subreddit devoted to peoples insane portable computing setups. Like multiple external monitors attached to side of laptop.. In a coffee shop or at the park. Idr the name of it off the top of my head.
And since VR got brought up I'll also ask if you have considered a projector. For the sake of completeness.
On July 26, 2024 9:23:20 PM EDT, Nick Accad via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Anyone got recommendations?
I’m not looking for anything fancy, just something that I can use occasionally that won’t die after a dozen or so uses.
I travel once a month and I’m getting too old to rely on just the laptop screen.
Thanks
-nick
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Do you remove the display somehow or just plug the laptop into it...? On August 1, 2024 2:34:14 PM EDT, David Mason via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Not particularly helpful, perhaps, for this use case, but...
You can do the same thing with other flat-screens. In particular, older all-in-ones (like Dell or iMac).
You can often get older such machines for cheap.
../Dave
On Tue, 30 Jul 2024 at 22:22, bitmap via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I didn't do this project myself (yet?), but you can apparently liberate the display out of a laptop. You need a piece called a controller for the particular display (aliexpress, ebay etc) and it can be rigged to an HDMI in.
Also some models of mobile device can be used as an external monitor. So your phone gives you a bit extra. An excuse to buy a tablet. Depending on use case, could consider vnc, x2go or other remote access from mobile.
There was a subreddit devoted to peoples insane portable computing setups. Like multiple external monitors attached to side of laptop.. In a coffee shop or at the park. Idr the name of it off the top of my head.
And since VR got brought up I'll also ask if you have considered a projector. For the sake of completeness.
On July 26, 2024 9:23:20 PM EDT, Nick Accad via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Anyone got recommendations?
I’m not looking for anything fancy, just something that I can use occasionally that won’t die after a dozen or so uses.
I travel once a month and I’m getting too old to rely on just the laptop screen.
Thanks
-nick
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At least for the iMacs, you need to gut it, leaving really just power and the display, and then add a board that knows how to drive that particular LCD and has the HDMI smarts too. ../Dave On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 at 18:19, bitmap <bitmap@imap.cc> wrote:
Do you remove the display somehow or just plug the laptop into it...?
On August 1, 2024 2:34:14 PM EDT, David Mason via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Not particularly helpful, perhaps, for this use case, but...
You can do the same thing with other flat-screens. In particular, older all-in-ones (like Dell or iMac).
You can often get older such machines for cheap.
../Dave
On Tue, 30 Jul 2024 at 22:22, bitmap via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I didn't do this project myself (yet?), but you can apparently liberate the display out of a laptop. You need a piece called a controller for the particular display (aliexpress, ebay etc) and it can be rigged to an HDMI in.
Also some models of mobile device can be used as an external monitor. So your phone gives you a bit extra. An excuse to buy a tablet. Depending on use case, could consider vnc, x2go or other remote access from mobile.
There was a subreddit devoted to peoples insane portable computing setups. Like multiple external monitors attached to side of laptop.. In a coffee shop or at the park. Idr the name of it off the top of my head.
And since VR got brought up I'll also ask if you have considered a projector. For the sake of completeness.
On July 26, 2024 9:23:20 PM EDT, Nick Accad via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Anyone got recommendations?
I’m not looking for anything fancy, just something that I can use occasionally that won’t die after a dozen or so uses.
I travel once a month and I’m getting too old to rely on just the laptop screen.
Thanks
-nick
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