On Aug 17, 2020, at 17:27, Christopher Browne via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 at 17:15, Howard Gibson via talk <talk@gtalug.org <mailto:talk@gtalug.org>> wrote: I brought this up at our last meeting and we discussed it.

Officially, you can insert equations into your website using MathML. Unfortunately, Google Chrome does not support this, so it does not work. I uploaded my MathML page to my website, and you can try it out.

http://rev/~howard/hgibson2/MathML.html <http://rev/~howard/hgibson2/MathML.html>

A URL that seems to work better for those of us outside your network ;-) is this one: http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson/MathML.html <http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson/MathML.html>

I'll note that the browsers I had handy were Firefox and Chrome; I concur with your comments on the handling of the quadratic equation.

Those results are not extraordinarily surprising. The one I'd wonder about is Safari; I would assume it doesn't support it.

Safari handles those equations without any issue. If you want to cause some Safari rendering errors, add a binomial coefficient. Based off one of the links I put in the etherpad, Chrome used to support MathML. It stopped after Google forked WebKit into Blink.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 at 18:56, Don Tai via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:

This does not render properly using Tor, which is surprising, as Tor is based on Firefox

That's odd. Tor Browser 8 is based on Firefox Quantum. But then, I don't know what fonts you have installed

Chromium also does not render properly.

Yeah, Chrom.* doesn't do MathML. You can't sell ads with MathML, hence it's not supported.

On 8/17/20 5:27 PM, Christopher Browne via talk wrote:

On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 at 17:15, Howard Gibson via talk <talk@gtalug.org <mailto:talk@gtalug.org>> wrote:

   I brought this up at our last meeting and we discussed it.

   Officially, you can insert equations into your website using MathML.  Unfortunately, Google Chrome does not support this, so it does not work.  I uploaded my MathML page to my website, and you can try it out.

http://rev/~howard/hgibson2/MathML.html

A URL that seems to work better for those of us outside your network ;-) is this one: http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson/MathML.html

I'll note that the browsers I had handy were Firefox and Chrome; I concur with your comments on the handling of the quadratic equation.

Those results are not extraordinarily surprising.  The one I'd wonder about is Safari; I would assume it doesn't support it.

There is an interesting list of browser support for MathML. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MathML

Apparently, at one time Opera *did* support it.  The set of other browsers that do have support are largely Mozilla derivatives.  (e.g. - ones like Camino, Galeon, Netscape (which was where Mozilla came from)).

The one other interesting one (in being "not like the others") is Amaya. https://www.w3.org/Amaya/    I'm quite surprised that they had a release as recently as 2012; I hadn't seen that one in YEARS!!! :-) -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?"

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I've managed to get in rendering in Chromium but not Chrome on version 84 which is the lastest chromium for Ubuntu. Thanks for mentioning it through as its a pain to write certain math in a web browser. The only nit is it seems that the Tex versions render better for complex equations in terms of being similar to an actual textbook: https://mdn.mozillademos.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/MathML_Project/MathML_Tortur... If your trying to make it readable you may want to use something that can render it in Tex like the mentioned MathJax if I recall correctly. Cheers, Nick -- Fundamentally an organism has conscious mental states if and only if there is something that it is like to be that organism--something it is like for the organism. - Thomas Nagel

On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 18:26:37 -0400 Stewart Russell via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:

If you're auto-converting from TeX, try to do it as high up the conversion chain as you can. By the time your doco has hit DVI, it's basically marks on paper and any semantic information is lost. I don't think I've used DVI files this century: I was an early adopter of pdftex, and I'm pretty sure my TeX engine of choice these days is pdfxetex: straight to PDF, while also supporting bidirectional fonts, OpenType variant glyph forms and (IIRC) micro-justification of hyphenated pages. This little wrinkle pushes hyphens slightly into the right margin. It looks much better. Also, since every printing system I'm ever likely to use has a PDF document path (PostScript is dead), it cuts out a lot of conversion and font hassle. PDF's just super handy to have as a virtual paper format anyway. Dunno what I did before CUPS, IPP and the cups-pdf virtual printer. Waste lots of paper, I suppose.

cheers, Stewart

Stewart, I copied the MathML code from a site on MathML. I want to learn it. I have not worked hard on it since. As I noted during the meeting. If it works in Midori but not on Chrome, it doesn't work. If it works on Chrome but not on Midori, it is not reliable. I am posting articles prepared with LaTeX. The HTML conversion converts the equations to bitmaps. These are reliable, however crappy they look. -- Howard Gibson hgibson@eol.ca jhowardgibson@gmail.com http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson

| From: Don Tai via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | LaTex to svg? a bit better rendering, and at least renders well on all | browsers. The phrase "all browsers" is a bit political. Especially if read as "all browsers that matter". If you think that I'm being silly, do consider "universal design" or "accessibility". Screen readers cannot help with SVG. I would guess (but don't know) that the raw MalthML code might be readable with a screen reader. lynx and links make some attempt to display Howard's examples. They are different. I'm not sure that either result is useful. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk