According to <http://gtalug.org/> : "GTALUG is currently looking for speakers for the 9th December, 2014 meeting. If you are interested in speaking please contact our talks coordinator." Let's brainstorm on this. Here's a poorly organized dump of some of my thoughts. - I'd love to hear Lennart talk about what he's learned working on routers. - I'd like to learn what each of you has learned using Linux (or perhaps, not able to do using Linux) and what your current Linux-related interests are. - I'd like to hear how people have set up their internet gatways. What's worth doing, what's easy, what's hard. (It's time for me to revisit this after having a pretty static setup for a decade. I'd be willing to talk about what I've done but it is pretty stale.) - I'm interested in setting up my in-house services like a cloud. Perhaps <http://owncloud.org/>. Motivation: I want to keep control of my own data as much as possible. Can anyone speak to this? - Subproblem of above: I run MediaWiki already. Tips and tricks (eg. from Drew) about care, feeding, and use would be welcome. - I'd be willing to share 10 minutes worth of what I've learned about little Windows gadgets as Linux platforms. - I'd love to discuss whether this is interesting and useful <http://www.banana-pi.com/eacp_view.asp?id=64> This is a version of the Banana Pi with an added ethernet switch: 5 x 1G eithernet ports. The Banana Pi is intended to mimic the Raspberry Pi in some ways but with a stronger processor; my impression has been that this is goofy and that the Cubieboard2 and Cubietruck <http://cubieboard.org/> were more transparent uses of the Allwinner chips. But gluing on a switch seems very attractive. - chatting about peoples' workflow always seems useful: it's not just the tools, its how we use them, how we find them useful, and where they don't quite meet expectations. Examples: backup methodology, distro update methodology, favourite editor (leave out tribalism), programming language, etc. - why Go is interesting <https://golang.org/>. Why Rust is interesting <http://www.rust-lang.org/>. Why Python 2.x still has a loyal following. - what are you doing with your _____? Example: Raspberry Pi. - How you make your mobile device work with your desktop? Summary: we've had Question and Answer sessions, how about an Answer and Question session? By that I meen: people give a mini-chat about something they think is interesting and have the rest of us ask questions in response.
On 12/08/2014 12:47 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
According to <http://gtalug.org/> :
"GTALUG is currently looking for speakers for the 9th December, 2014 meeting. If you are interested in speaking please contact our talks coordinator."
Let's brainstorm on this. Here's a poorly organized dump of some of my thoughts.
- I'd love to hear Lennart talk about what he's learned working on routers.
- I'd like to learn what each of you has learned using Linux (or perhaps, not able to do using Linux) and what your current Linux-related interests are.
DevOps - Vagrant, Docker, and Ansible in particular.
- I'd like to hear how people have set up their internet gatways. What's worth doing, what's easy, what's hard. (It's time for me to revisit this after having a pretty static setup for a decade. I'd be willing to talk about what I've done but it is pretty stale.)
- I'm interested in setting up my in-house services like a cloud. Perhaps <http://owncloud.org/>. Motivation: I want to keep control of my own data as much as possible. Can anyone speak to this?
- Subproblem of above: I run MediaWiki already. Tips and tricks (eg. from Drew) about care, feeding, and use would be welcome - I'd be willing to share 10 minutes worth of what I've learned about little Windows gadgets as Linux platforms.
- I'd love to discuss whether this is interesting and useful <http://www.banana-pi.com/eacp_view.asp?id=64>
This is a version of the Banana Pi with an added ethernet switch: 5 x 1G eithernet ports.
The Banana Pi is intended to mimic the Raspberry Pi in some ways but with a stronger processor; my impression has been that this is goofy and that the Cubieboard2 and Cubietruck <http://cubieboard.org/> were more transparent uses of the Allwinner chips.
But gluing on a switch seems very attractive.
The only use I'd have for something like the Raspberry Pi is as a router and with only one Ethernet port, that disqualifies it. The two devices you mention above are interesting because they have multiple Ethernet ports and would be viable replacements for my ancient and I presume power-hungry P2/350 Compaq that has been running for the last 10 years as my Internet gateway/firewall.
- chatting about peoples' workflow always seems useful: it's not just the tools, its how we use them, how we find them useful, and where they don't quite meet expectations. Examples: backup methodology, distro update methodology, favourite editor (leave out tribalism), programming language, etc.
- why Go is interesting <https://golang.org/>. Why Rust is interesting <http://www.rust-lang.org/>. Why Python 2.x still has a loyal following.
Python 2.x is still popular because many Python modules/projects haven't been ported to Python 3.x. That's changing. Go and Rust aren't even on my radar. Dart, maybe. Typescript seems like a safer bet. ECMAScript 6 looks very interesting. Within very few years, it will no longer be feasible to do anything useful with a browser without Javascript enabled. Javascript is what is enabling rich-client applications, particularly for mobile devices.
- what are you doing with your _____? Example: Raspberry Pi.
- How you make your mobile device work with your desktop?
I don't and that is something I'd like to rectify. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay +1 647-778-8696
On Dec 8, 2014 12:47 PM, "D. Hugh Redelmeier" <hugh@mimosa.com> wrote:
- Subproblem of above: I run MediaWiki already. Tips and tricks (eg. from Drew) about care, feeding, and use would be welcome.
Finding enough time to admin a MediaWiki site to get a balance between swatting away spammers and locking it down to unusability would get my vote.
Summary: we've had Question and Answer sessions, how about an Answer and Question session?
So, a "You're doing it wrong!" session? Nice idea. Cheers Stewart
On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 12:47:51PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
According to <http://gtalug.org/> :
"GTALUG is currently looking for speakers for the 9th December, 2014 meeting. If you are interested in speaking please contact our talks coordinator."
Let's brainstorm on this. Here's a poorly organized dump of some of my thoughts.
- I'd love to hear Lennart talk about what he's learned working on routers.
How many hours do you have? Or Anthony could talk about all the legacy sysadmin disasters of mine he has had to clean up so far.
- I'd like to learn what each of you has learned using Linux (or perhaps, not able to do using Linux) and what your current Linux-related interests are.
- I'd like to hear how people have set up their internet gatways. What's worth doing, what's easy, what's hard. (It's time for me to revisit this after having a pretty static setup for a decade. I'd be willing to talk about what I've done but it is pretty stale.)
- I'm interested in setting up my in-house services like a cloud. Perhaps <http://owncloud.org/>. Motivation: I want to keep control of my own data as much as possible. Can anyone speak to this?
- Subproblem of above: I run MediaWiki already. Tips and tricks (eg. from Drew) about care, feeding, and use would be welcome.
- I'd be willing to share 10 minutes worth of what I've learned about little Windows gadgets as Linux platforms.
- I'd love to discuss whether this is interesting and useful <http://www.banana-pi.com/eacp_view.asp?id=64>
This is a version of the Banana Pi with an added ethernet switch: 5 x 1G eithernet ports.
The Banana Pi is intended to mimic the Raspberry Pi in some ways but with a stronger processor; my impression has been that this is goofy and that the Cubieboard2 and Cubietruck <http://cubieboard.org/> were more transparent uses of the Allwinner chips.
But gluing on a switch seems very attractive.
- chatting about peoples' workflow always seems useful: it's not just the tools, its how we use them, how we find them useful, and where they don't quite meet expectations.
Examples: backup methodology, distro update methodology, favourite editor (leave out tribalism), programming language, etc.
- why Go is interesting <https://golang.org/>. Why Rust is interesting <http://www.rust-lang.org/>. Why Python 2.x still has a loyal following.
- what are you doing with your _____? Example: Raspberry Pi.
- How you make your mobile device work with your desktop?
Summary: we've had Question and Answer sessions, how about an Answer and Question session? By that I meen: people give a mini-chat about something they think is interesting and have the rest of us ask questions in response.
Could be interesting too. Pretty sure I am not making the meeting this month. -- Len Sorensen
Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 12:47:51PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
According to <http://gtalug.org/> :
"GTALUG is currently looking for speakers for the 9th December, 2014 meeting. If you are interested in speaking please contact our talks coordinator."
Let's brainstorm on this. Here's a poorly organized dump of some of my thoughts.
- I'd love to hear Lennart talk about what he's learned working on routers.
How many hours do you have?
Be careful what you ask for, Hugh!
Or Anthony could talk about all the legacy sysadmin disasters of mine he has had to clean up so far.
First rule of work club is what happens at work stays at work.
- I'd like to hear how people have set up their internet gatways. What's worth doing, what's easy, what's hard. (It's time for me to revisit this after having a pretty static setup for a decade. I'd be willing to talk about what I've done but it is pretty stale.)
OpenWRT seems to Just Work, though my setup isn't very current by now.
- I'm interested in setting up my in-house services like a cloud. Perhaps <http://owncloud.org/>. Motivation: I want to keep control of my own data as much as possible. Can anyone speak to this?
- Subproblem of above: I run MediaWiki already. Tips and tricks (eg. from Drew) about care, feeding, and use would be welcome.
Take a good look at ikiwiki; it's a lot simpler, keeps history in git, and you can edit pages in your favourite editor, commit them, and see them show up formatted.
Pretty sure I am not making the meeting this month.
Nor I. I had been parking at Yorkdale for the trip downtown, but then the TTC parking there got closed for renovation shortly after our meetings moved away from the Spadina line. Will have to come up with a revised plan. -- Anthony de Boer
On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 11:32:01PM -0500, Anthony de Boer wrote:
Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 12:47:51PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
According to <http://gtalug.org/> :
"GTALUG is currently looking for speakers for the 9th December, 2014 meeting. If you are interested in speaking please contact our talks coordinator."
Let's brainstorm on this. Here's a poorly organized dump of some of my thoughts.
- I'd love to hear Lennart talk about what he's learned working on routers.
How many hours do you have?
Be careful what you ask for, Hugh!
Or Anthony could talk about all the legacy sysadmin disasters of mine he has had to clean up so far.
First rule of work club is what happens at work stays at work.
Yeah probably better that way. Although I am sure some of it could be very educational and entertaining.
- I'd like to hear how people have set up their internet gatways. What's worth doing, what's easy, what's hard. (It's time for me to revisit this after having a pretty static setup for a decade. I'd be willing to talk about what I've done but it is pretty stale.)
OpenWRT seems to Just Work, though my setup isn't very current by now.
For some reason I am still running stock firmware on my DIR-825. Of course by forwarding ssh and http to somewhere else inside I haven't really needed it to do anything complicated.
- I'm interested in setting up my in-house services like a cloud. Perhaps <http://owncloud.org/>. Motivation: I want to keep control of my own data as much as possible. Can anyone speak to this?
- Subproblem of above: I run MediaWiki already. Tips and tricks (eg. from Drew) about care, feeding, and use would be welcome.
Take a good look at ikiwiki; it's a lot simpler, keeps history in git, and you can edit pages in your favourite editor, commit them, and see them show up formatted.
Pretty sure I am not making the meeting this month.
Nor I.
I had been parking at Yorkdale for the trip downtown, but then the TTC parking there got closed for renovation shortly after our meetings moved away from the Spadina line. Will have to come up with a revised plan.
Wilson has lots of parking and is just on the other side of the 401 from yorkdale. -- Len Sorensen
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Anthony de Boer <adb@adb.ca> wrote:
I had been parking at Yorkdale for the trip downtown, but then the TTC parking there got closed for renovation shortly after our meetings moved away from the Spadina line. Will have to come up with a revised plan.
TTC has a good guide to commuter parking here: <https://www.ttc.ca/Riding_the_TTC/Parking/index.jsp>. I have heard good things about York Mills station (but as a pedestrian I don't have that much information about cars).
| From: D. Hugh Redelmeier <hugh@mimosa.com> | According to <http://gtalug.org/> : | | "GTALUG is currently looking for speakers for the 9th December, 2014 | meeting. If you are interested in speaking please contact our talks | coordinator." | | Let's brainstorm on this. OK, sorry, false alarm. It now announce DCB speaking on Maven and a Round Table Q&A session. Thanks for your participation.
On 08/12/14 12:47 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
- I'm interested in setting up my in-house services like a cloud. Perhaps <http://owncloud.org/>. Motivation: I want to keep control of my own data as much as possible. Can anyone speak to this?
I could happily speak to this in the future. I'm self-hosting a bunch of stuff at home, as part of my own degooglification process: ownCloud, SOGo, Snowy, Mediagoblin, Tiny Tiny RSS, Dokuwiki... in the past, MythTV (including Mythweb), Mediawiki, Ampache... and services I'm hosting, but not at home, include FreeSWITCH and ejabberd (and email...). I also gave a talk at FSOSS this year on software freedom in a networked work, which covered some of this as well, though not as a technical talk.
On 9 December 2014 at 14:37, Blaise Alleyne <email+libre@blaise.ca> wrote:
On 08/12/14 12:47 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
- I'm interested in setting up my in-house services like a cloud. Perhaps <http://owncloud.org/>. Motivation: I want to keep control of my own data as much as possible. Can anyone speak to this?
I could happily speak to this in the future.
I'm self-hosting a bunch of stuff at home, as part of my own
degooglification
process: ownCloud, SOGo, Snowy, Mediagoblin, Tiny Tiny RSS, Dokuwiki... in the past, MythTV (including Mythweb), Mediawiki, Ampache... and services I'm hosting, but not at home, include FreeSWITCH and ejabberd (and email...).
I also gave a talk at FSOSS this year on software freedom in a networked work, which covered some of this as well, though not as a technical talk.
That's certainly interesting. We had a series of talks over the years on virtualization which kind of got boring in that it amounted to "so, how do we go through the mechanics of setting a VM to install X"? We had a talk on Bosh recently, which represents a newer way of going through those mechanics. Interesting in that it has gotten easier. (I gather that Docker tries hard at another take on "making it easier") The OTHER side of this is managing the infrastructure for a set of VMs. I'm not keen on something where that's a big job; it sure would be nice if most of the time spent managing a dozen services is spent on those dozen services. I know VMWare sells a product, vSphere, targeted at this, and that OpenStack does somewhat similar (in OSS arena). Would like to hear more... -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?"
+1 to this idea. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Christopher Browne <cbbrowne@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9 December 2014 at 14:37, Blaise Alleyne <email+libre@blaise.ca> wrote:
On 08/12/14 12:47 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
- I'm interested in setting up my in-house services like a cloud. Perhaps <http://owncloud.org/>. Motivation: I want to keep control of my own data as much as possible. Can anyone speak to this?
I could happily speak to this in the future.
I'm self-hosting a bunch of stuff at home, as part of my own
degooglification
process: ownCloud, SOGo, Snowy, Mediagoblin, Tiny Tiny RSS, Dokuwiki... in the past, MythTV (including Mythweb), Mediawiki, Ampache... and services I'm hosting, but not at home, include FreeSWITCH and ejabberd (and email...).
I also gave a talk at FSOSS this year on software freedom in a networked work, which covered some of this as well, though not as a technical talk.
That's certainly interesting.
We had a series of talks over the years on virtualization which kind of got boring in that it amounted to "so, how do we go through the mechanics of setting a VM to install X"?
We had a talk on Bosh recently, which represents a newer way of going through those mechanics. Interesting in that it has gotten easier. (I gather that Docker tries hard at another take on "making it easier")
The OTHER side of this is managing the infrastructure for a set of VMs. I'm not keen on something where that's a big job; it sure would be nice if most of the time spent managing a dozen services is spent on those dozen services.
I know VMWare sells a product, vSphere, targeted at this, and that OpenStack does somewhat similar (in OSS arena). Would like to hear more... -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?"
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Very much +1 ! On 12/09/2014 02:37 PM, Blaise Alleyne wrote:
On 08/12/14 12:47 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
- I'm interested in setting up my in-house services like a cloud. Perhaps <http://owncloud.org/>. Motivation: I want to keep control of my own data as much as possible. Can anyone speak to this?
I could happily speak to this in the future.
I'm self-hosting a bunch of stuff at home, as part of my own degooglification process: ownCloud, SOGo, Snowy, Mediagoblin, Tiny Tiny RSS, Dokuwiki... in the past, MythTV (including Mythweb), Mediawiki, Ampache... and services I'm hosting, but not at home, include FreeSWITCH and ejabberd (and email...).
I also gave a talk at FSOSS this year on software freedom in a networked work, which covered some of this as well, though not as a technical talk.
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On 25 June 2015 at 11:54, David Thornton <northdot9@gmail.com> wrote:
did we do the mediawiki talk already?
( sorry for zombie thread )
I don't recall a talk on MediaWiki any time vaguely recently; that's an in principle interesting thing. I've used it over the years, have seen some interesting patterns. Haven't used it much lately (aside from access of ubiquitous Wikipedia!), if there's interesting new stuff, that's neat. I'd anticipate a challenge in talking of MediaWiki being that it's so open to varying use cases that there'll be a few too many strong opinions on how it ought to be used. Holding tenaciously to a specified agenda will be important! ;-) -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?"
Dear List, I am a new and green Ubuntu laptop owner in the GTA, and am wondering if you could recommend a b/w laser printer (preferably USB-wired) that would work smoothly with Ubuntu. As I discovered, my Lexmark E232 (that works beautifully with my Macs) is not (at all) Ubuntu-liked... With many thanks in advance, Malgosia Askanas
On 25/06/15 01:58 PM, Malgosia Askanas wrote:
I am a new and green Ubuntu laptop owner in the GTA, and am wondering if you could recommend a b/w laser printer (preferably USB-wired) that would work smoothly with Ubuntu. As I discovered, my Lexmark E232 (that works beautifully with my Macs) is not (at all) Ubuntu-liked...
The Free Software Foundation's H-Node has a database of compatible hardware (not sure how up-to-date it is with current models): https://h-node.org/printers/catalogue/en The Linux Foundation has a printer listing database too: https://www.openprinting.org/printers/ ThinkPenguin sells a few as well (though they only ship to the US): https://www.thinkpenguin.com/catalog/printer-all-one-gnulinux I usually see what's available in store, and then cross-reference with those databases. Though after some frustration with my last purchase (HP LaserJet P1005), I might go in the reverse direction next time and pick a fully compatible (and non-tracking) printer from h-node and then see if I can buy it online... HTH
I'm using Linux Mint with a Brother HL-2170 monochrome printer and a Brother MFC-9125CN on a home network. The 9125 scanner works from SimpleScan. One advantage of Brother printers is that replacement toner is available from (relatively) low-cost suppliers through Canada Computers. I haven't done an exhaustive test of the functions but the basics of printing seem to work correctly. I had endless problems until I realized that the router was periodically re-assigning the IP addresses of the printers. Once I fixed that they've been working properly. Peter
On 25/06/15 01:58 PM, Malgosia Askanas wrote:
I am a new and green Ubuntu laptop owner in the GTA, and am wondering if you could recommend a b/w laser printer (preferably USB-wired) that would work smoothly with Ubuntu. As I discovered, my Lexmark E232 (that works beautifully with my Macs) is not (at all) Ubuntu-liked...
The Free Software Foundation's H-Node has a database of compatible hardware (not sure how up-to-date it is with current models): https://h-node.org/printers/catalogue/en
The Linux Foundation has a printer listing database too: https://www.openprinting.org/printers/
ThinkPenguin sells a few as well (though they only ship to the US): https://www.thinkpenguin.com/catalog/printer-all-one-gnulinux
I usually see what's available in store, and then cross-reference with those databases. Though after some frustration with my last purchase (HP LaserJet P1005), I might go in the reverse direction next time and pick a fully compatible (and non-tracking) printer from h-node and then see if I can buy it online...
HTH
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On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 02:23:23PM -0400, phiscock@ee.ryerson.ca wrote:
I'm using Linux Mint with a Brother HL-2170 monochrome printer and a Brother MFC-9125CN on a home network. The 9125 scanner works from SimpleScan.
I have Brother HL-2170W (wireless), with "HP LaserJet Series PCL 6 CUPS" driver. I think OP's problem is more of "driver" issue, because it works with Slackware and CUPS. -- William
On 15-06-25 02:52 PM, William Park wrote:
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 02:23:23PM -0400, phiscock@ee.ryerson.ca wrote:
I'm using Linux Mint with a Brother HL-2170 monochrome printer and a Brother MFC-9125CN on a home network. The 9125 scanner works from SimpleScan.
I have Brother HL-2170W (wireless), with "HP LaserJet Series PCL 6 CUPS" driver. I think OP's problem is more of "driver" issue, because it works with Slackware and CUPS.
I have a Brother printer/scanner too ( MFC-J6510 ). I'll admit it works well, when the drivers are installed properly. Unfortunately the drivers have to be downloaded as a script from the manufacturer, and I've found it a little buggy, requiring some tweaking after the fact to get it all working. For a newbie I'd probably recommend something else. Not sure what though, I haven't installed any other printer drivers recently.
On 2015-06-26 03:09 PM, Darryl Moore wrote:
I have a Brother printer/scanner too ( MFC-J6510 ). I'll admit it works well, when the drivers are installed properly.
As a footnote to all this philadelphia, Brother printers can be a bit of a pain for non-x86 systems. The scanners on their MFCs are essentially paperweights on anything but Intel. Stewart
We use HP printers at our place ( Deskjet 3050a J11 series, HP Photosmart c 4700 series , HP Deskjet 5700) and they co-operate well on our network of three Linux boxes (2 Fedora 21 and one Linuxmint17) ant three Windows 7 computers. HP does a great job on Linux support. --------- Clive DaSilva – cdasilva@iprimus.ca Mailing List - talk@gtalug.org http://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk -----Original Message----- From: talk [mailto:talk-bounces@gtalug.org] On Behalf Of Stewart C. Russell Sent: June-27-15 11:20 AM To: talk@gtalug.org Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Request for printer recommendations On 2015-06-26 03:09 PM, Darryl Moore wrote:
I have a Brother printer/scanner too ( MFC-J6510 ). I'll admit it works well, when the drivers are installed properly.
As a footnote to all this philadelphia, Brother printers can be a bit of a pain for non-x86 systems. The scanners on their MFCs are essentially paperweights on anything but Intel. Stewart --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org http://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Any major distro has hplip in the repos. Go HP. It always works. Anything else is a gamble whether you'll have drivers or an expensive paper weight. On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Clive DaSilva <cdasilva@iprimus.ca> wrote:
We use HP printers at our place ( Deskjet 3050a J11 series, HP Photosmart c 4700 series , HP Deskjet 5700) and they co-operate well on our network of three Linux boxes (2 Fedora 21 and one Linuxmint17) ant three Windows 7 computers. HP does a great job on Linux support.
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On 2015-06-26 03:09 PM, Darryl Moore wrote:
I have a Brother printer/scanner too ( MFC-J6510 ). I'll admit it works well, when the drivers are installed properly.
As a footnote to all this philadelphia, Brother printers can be a bit of a pain for non-x86 systems. The scanners on their MFCs are essentially paperweights on anything but Intel.
Stewart
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On 15-06-27 08:46 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:
Any major distro has hplip in the repos. Go HP. It always works. Anything else is a gamble whether you'll have drivers or an expensive paper weight.
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Clive DaSilva <cdasilva@iprimus.ca <mailto:cdasilva@iprimus.ca>> wrote:
We use HP printers at our place ( Deskjet 3050a J11 series, HP Photosmart c 4700 series , HP Deskjet 5700) and they co-operate well on our network of three Linux boxes (2 Fedora 21 and one Linuxmint17) ant three Windows 7 computers. HP does a great job on Linux support.
HP may do a good job on printer support but support for their own brand scanners is a bit lacking. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick
My past experience with HP printers has been that they print beautifully but the mechanicals crap out after a very short time, after which one has to feed/unfeed the paper by hand. I've spent untold hours feeding my HP printers, and am uneager to repeat the experience. But perhaps they have become better in recent years? Malgosia On 2015-06-27 01:20 PM, Clive DaSilva wrote:
We use HP printers at our place ( Deskjet 3050a J11 series, HP Photosmart c 4700 series , HP Deskjet 5700) and they co-operate well on our network of three Linux boxes (2 Fedora 21 and one Linuxmint17) ant three Windows 7 computers. HP does a great job on Linux support.
--------- Clive DaSilva – cdasilva@iprimus.ca
On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 11:41:35AM -0400, Malgosia Askanas wrote:
My past experience with HP printers has been that they print beautifully but the mechanicals crap out after a very short time, after which one has to feed/unfeed the paper by hand. I've spent untold hours feeding my HP printers, and am uneager to repeat the experience. But perhaps they have become better in recent years?
The massive HP printer/scanner/copier we had in the office a few years ago was a disaster. The thing it did best was paper jams. Dozens of paper jams every day. The canon that replaced it has almost never had a paper jam. Of course those are not models you would use at home, but given they do postscript and IPP network printing, they work great with linux (for printing, scanning is a different story). -- Len Sorensen
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 11:41:35AM -0400, Malgosia Askanas wrote:
My past experience with HP printers has been that they print beautifully but the mechanicals crap out after a very short time, after which one has to feed/unfeed the paper by hand. I've spent untold hours feeding my HP printers, and am uneager to repeat the experience. But perhaps they have become better in recent years?
The massive HP printer/scanner/copier we had in the office a few years ago was a disaster. The thing it did best was paper jams. Dozens of paper jams every day.
The canon that replaced it has almost never had a paper jam.
Of course those are not models you would use at home, but given they do postscript and IPP network printing, they work great with linux (for printing, scanning is a different story).
So, I'll bite, what do you use for scanning?
Dee
On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 11:09:51AM -0500, o1bigtenor wrote:
So, I'll bite, what do you use for scanning?
Well I pretty much never have any reason to scan anything, and they are setup to send scans to your email account on an exchange server. -- Len Sorensen
Sorry - - - scanning is quite useful for me and I sure would like a way to make it work connected to my Linux box! Haven't had much luck so far. Dee On 7/6/15, Lennart Sorensen <lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 11:09:51AM -0500, o1bigtenor wrote:
So, I'll bite, what do you use for scanning?
Well I pretty much never have any reason to scan anything, and they are setup to send scans to your email account on an exchange server.
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Hi Dee:
Sorry - - - scanning is quite useful for me and I sure would like a way to make it work connected to my Linux box!
Haven't had much luck so far.
Hmm, hadn't realized you were still stuck. In your /etc/sane.d/ folder, there should be a .conf file for your scanner. Mine is different from yours, but the relevant lines look like this (from epson2.conf): # Detect all devices supported by the backend. # If you don't have a SCSI device, you can comment out the "scsi" # keyword. Similarly for the other keywords. # usb scsi net 192.168.2.68 You need to set the 'net' entry to the IP address of your scanner. (You can ping your printer, yes? I mean, if it's not even seen on the network, you have to address this first. You're also using an x86 or x86_64 Linux box, yes? Scanner binary support for ARM is mostly no go, so Raspberry Pis are right out.) For good measure, I have $SANE_DEFAULT_DEVICE set to: epson2:net:192.168.2.68 Your scanner might use the brscan or brscan2 driver, so you'll be looking for something like /etc/sane.d/brscan*conf. Also, your scanner backend needs to be listed in /etc/sane.d/dll.conf for sane to find it. The 'sane-find-scanner' tool may not find your scanner, but with me, xsane does. With that environment variable set, you can then do something like this: scanimage > blort.pbm to scan the page at 75 dpi, b&w. If all of that doesn't work, you may have to resort to scanning to a network share. I think that the MFC-J6510DW shares its memory card using CIFS. Stick an SD in the scanner, browse your network, and see what you find. This latter option is by no means bad: I've used it to scan thousands of pages of bank statements and other receipts. You don't get a tonne of control over the scan format, but it's quick. If even all this fails, it's telephone support, I'm afraid. It's so much cheaper to provide this than e-mail support, and that's why Brother are so keen on it. cheers, Stewart
Hi Dee:
Sorry - - - scanning is quite useful for me and I sure would like a way to make it work connected to my Linux box!
Haven't had much luck so far.
Hmm, hadn't realized you were still stuck.
In your /etc/sane.d/ folder, there should be a .conf file for your scanner. Mine is different from yours, but the relevant lines look like this (from epson2.conf):
# Detect all devices supported by the backend. # If you don't have a SCSI device, you can comment out the "scsi" # keyword. Similarly for the other keywords. # usb scsi net 192.168.2.68
You need to set the 'net' entry to the IP address of your scanner. (You can ping your printer, yes? I mean, if it's not even seen on the network, you have to address this first. You're also using an x86 or x86_64 Linux box, yes? Scanner binary support for ARM is mostly no go, so Raspberry Pis are right out.)
For good measure, I have $SANE_DEFAULT_DEVICE set to:
epson2:net:192.168.2.68
Your scanner might use the brscan or brscan2 driver, so you'll be looking for something like /etc/sane.d/brscan*conf. Also, your scanner backend needs to be listed in /etc/sane.d/dll.conf for sane to find it.
The 'sane-find-scanner' tool may not find your scanner, but with me, xsane does. With that environment variable set, you can then do something like this:
scanimage > blort.pbm
to scan the page at 75 dpi, b&w.
If all of that doesn't work, you may have to resort to scanning to a network share. I think that the MFC-J6510DW shares its memory card using CIFS. Stick an SD in the scanner, browse your network, and see what you find.
This latter option is by no means bad: I've used it to scan thousands of pages of bank statements and other receipts. You don't get a tonne of control over the scan format, but it's quick.
If even all this fails, it's telephone support, I'm afraid. It's so much cheaper to provide this than e-mail support, and that's why Brother are so keen on it.
I did the scanning I needed to do to a memory card which works but its not
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Stewart C. Russell <scruss@gmail.com> wrote: the way I like to do things (needed to email the files to myself and then organize and then send on to the recipient). Tried Brother email support. For Linux is only to point you to the tools and then its your baby and the number of people that they have for Linux support is very small so its also very very slow to get what help does exist. I found the support basically non-existent even though they would differ. The also have no telephone or chat support for *nix its only email support and for complex problems that's a really awkward way of doing things! Also don't really have a formal network set up at present. I have been recommended to use set up a ftp server and clients but my main box is also out for R n R as I seem to have let out some magic smoke from one of the hard drives. This means that any changes are when I get my system back but will try then. This information looks very very useful and I thank you very much for your assistance! Regards Dee
| From: o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor@gmail.com> | To: GTALUG Talk <talk@gtalug.org> | Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 15:04:44 -0500 | Subject: Re: [GTALUG] HP printers [Request for printer recommendations] | Reply-To: GTALUG Talk <talk@gtalug.org> | | On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Stewart C. Russell <scruss@gmail.com> wrote: | | > Hi Dee: | > Hmm, hadn't realized you were still stuck. I hadn't either. This has been a month or two! | > (You can ping your printer, yes? I mean, if it's not even seen on the | > network, you have to address this first. Dee: you didn't answer this question. It is important: all the layers have to work, starting from the bottom, networking. The specifications don't even mention networking but the W at the end of the name indicates 802.11b/g/n support. If this is so difficult, we ought to try one step at a time, and networking is clearly the first step. | Tried Brother email support. For Linux is only to point you to the tools | and then its your baby and the number of people that they have for Linux | support is very small so its also very very slow to get what help does | exist. With luck, you probably won't need support from them. | Also don't really have a formal network set up at present. I don't know what that means. | I have been | recommended to use set up a ftp server and clients but my main box is also | out for R n R as I seem to have let out some magic smoke from one of the | hard drives. | | This means that any changes are when I get my system back but will try | then. OK. In other words, we should wait until then before bombarding you with suggestions. I would expect that you have a LAN and have other computer(s) still functioning. Perhaps not in Linux.
o1bigtenor wrote:
On 7/6/15, Lennart Sorensen <lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 11:09:51AM -0500, o1bigtenor wrote:
So, I'll bite, what do you use for scanning?
Well I pretty much never have any reason to scan anything, and they are setup to send scans to your email account on an exchange server.
Sorry - - - scanning is quite useful for me and I sure would like a way to make it work connected to my Linux box!
Something that uses standard IETF-ish protocols over a network is more likely to work than something that expects to do something proprietary directly to a Windows box or Mac. I've got a Brother MFC set up to drop scans (PDF or JPG) into a Samba share on my fileserver, so that's quite compatible. And I've looked at a big Canon printer very much like the one Lennart has, and it seemed to use SMTP and LDAP, but someone would have to run out of better things to do before poking at that. -- Anthony de Boer
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lexmark printers are known to be bricks with Linux, and I have a Lexmark brick myself. I've had good luck with Samsung laser printers, both colour and B&W. You need to install a (non-free(dom)) driver, and ensure the parallel port daemon is removed (CPU hog), but otherwise Samsung printers work fine. I've had success with Brother laser printers (B&W multifunction units) too. - --Bob. On 25/06/15 01:58 PM, Malgosia Askanas wrote:
Dear List,
I am a new and green Ubuntu laptop owner in the GTA, and am wondering if you could recommend a b/w laser printer (preferably USB-wired) that would work smoothly with Ubuntu. As I discovered, my Lexmark E232 (that works beautifully with my Macs) is not (at all) Ubuntu-liked...
With many thanks in advance, Malgosia Askanas
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Once upon a time I had a lexmark colour laser printer that worked OK with Linux, but the cartridges cost a Vast Fortune and you had to buy them from Lexmark. I gave it away and bought the Brother printers I'm using now. They seem to work fine. P.
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Lexmark printers are known to be bricks with Linux, and I have a Lexmark brick myself.
I've had good luck with Samsung laser printers, both colour and B&W. You need to install a (non-free(dom)) driver, and ensure the parallel port daemon is removed (CPU hog), but otherwise Samsung printers work fine.
I've had success with Brother laser printers (B&W multifunction units) too.
- --Bob.
On 25/06/15 01:58 PM, Malgosia Askanas wrote:
Dear List,
I am a new and green Ubuntu laptop owner in the GTA, and am wondering if you could recommend a b/w laser printer (preferably USB-wired) that would work smoothly with Ubuntu. As I discovered, my Lexmark E232 (that works beautifully with my Macs) is not (at all) Ubuntu-liked...
With many thanks in advance, Malgosia Askanas
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On 2015-06-25 10:11 PM, phiscock@ee.ryerson.ca wrote:
I gave it away and bought the Brother printers I'm using now. They seem to work fine.
Another plus for the Brother laser printers is that *most* of them have a reliable duplex unit, so you can print double sided without grief. cheers, Stewart
Generally, I buy by brand since the model numbers change so much. Within brands, I try to find sources (such as Consumer Reports) that measure objective criteria such as cost-per-page and sharpness. I have never gone wrong with Brother or HP. HP support for Linux is more full-featured <http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html>, especially if you can use an Internet connection rather than USB, but it occasionally contains closed-source bits for some cheaper models. Brother support is more vanilla but pretty solid. I have heard from associates having success with Samsung printers under Linux but have no first hand experience. On the other side are brands to avoid, that are indifferent at best to Linux and hostile at worst. These are Canon and Lexmark. On 26 June 2015 at 04:43, Stewart C. Russell <scruss@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2015-06-25 10:11 PM, phiscock@ee.ryerson.ca wrote:
I gave it away and bought the Brother printers I'm using now. They seem
to
work fine.
Another plus for the Brother laser printers is that *most* of them have a reliable duplex unit, so you can print double sided without grief.
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On Thu 25 Jun 2015 13:58 -0400, Malgosia Askanas wrote:
I am a new and green Ubuntu laptop owner in the GTA, and am wondering if you could recommend a b/w laser printer (preferably USB-wired) that would work smoothly with Ubuntu. As I discovered, my Lexmark E232 (that works beautifully with my Macs) is not (at all) Ubuntu-liked...
To echo all the other posters I have had great experience with Brother printers via USB and ethernet. The only other brand I would consider is HP if I wanted to take a chance.
| From: Malgosia Askanas <maskanas@pair.com> | I am a new and green Ubuntu laptop owner in the GTA, and am wondering if you | could recommend a b/w laser printer (preferably USB-wired) that would work | smoothly with Ubuntu. As I discovered, my Lexmark E232 (that works | beautifully with my Macs) is not (at all) Ubuntu-liked... The devil is in the details. You cannot completely judge a printer's support by its brand. Example: I've had two (older) Lexmark printers that were well supported. And yet you say that your Lexmark E232 isn't supported. Example: I've had a lot of random inexpensive Brother printers that were well-supported with open-source drivers (PCL6 and sometimes PostScript). I was surprised and disappointed to find a brother MFC that I bought actually required closed source drivers (but at least they exist and work). Some printers outsource page imaging to the host computer. Some of those use proprietary protocols. Some of those are not documented and are not reverse-engineered, so CUPS cannot support them. It is very hard to tell from the printer's documentation whether this is the case. Looking up the printer on the databases previously mentioned is the thing to do. Some manufacturers produce closed-source drivers for some models of their printers. That's useful but: - how long will support continue? - will support work on your distro? - support is likely x86-only - it is annoying to have to go through a driver installation process every time you install a new Linux distro or try to use the printer from a new machine (each machine on the network that can access the printer) When it comes to scanners and MFC devices, support is more spotty. Again, look up the SANE database to find out if Linux support exists for a particular scanner (or scanner part of MFC). (So far, Brother's support for my MFC has been pretty good.) Uncalled for recommendations: - duplex printing (ability to print on both sides of the paper) is something I will not do without - I like network printing (but security depends on all threats being from outside your network because the printer trusts stuff on the LAN). + for security reasons, I don't like wireless printers. But I haven't looked into how printers actually deal with this issue. + It is nice to not have to turn on a particular computer to print. + It is nice to not have to wire a printer to a laptop. - Consider getting an MFC (combo printer-scanner) + it is nice to have a scanner. Especially one with an Automatic Document Feeder. + Some MFCs are very inexpensive. For example, Brothers' sometimes go on sale for ~$100. + downside: MFCs are big and awkward + downside: MFC toner cartridges seem to be smaller and thus more expensive per page than cartridges for some printers.
On 15-06-27 11:07 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
| From: Malgosia Askanas <maskanas@pair.com>
| I am a new and green Ubuntu laptop owner in the GTA, and am wondering if you | could recommend a b/w laser printer (preferably USB-wired) that would work | smoothly with Ubuntu. As I discovered, my Lexmark E232 (that works | beautifully with my Macs) is not (at all) Ubuntu-liked...
The devil is in the details.
Some companies are good at providing drivers for their devices for Windows, Mac, and sometimes x86 based Linux. However, if you are doing something with embedded systems that have a different processor (ie. an ARM based one), closed source drivers mean you are out of luck as far as using the device. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick
I would like to thank all of you very much for your printer recommendations, which I will proceed to follow. Best, Malgosia
Dear All, I just had occasion to open in Libre Office under Ubuntu 15.04 some (externally created) Europass CVs (with extension .doc), and LibreOffice made a real mess of them, overlaying lines over one another, etc. Can anybody suggest a remedy? The obsolete Word on my MacOS 10.4 system reads them perfectly... With many thanks in advance, Malgosia Askanas
On the mac, write them out as .rtf files. That's Microsoft's version-independant-mostly format for copying between different versions. Those should be openable on a newer Libre Office. --dave On 07/14/2015 07:04 PM, Malgosia Askanas wrote:
Dear All,
I just had occasion to open in Libre Office under Ubuntu 15.04 some (externally created) Europass CVs (with extension .doc), and LibreOffice made a real mess of them, overlaying lines over one another, etc. Can anybody suggest a remedy? The obsolete Word on my MacOS 10.4 system reads them perfectly...
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Well, yes - on the Mac I can write an RTF or a PDF. I can also send the file to Zamzar for conversion. But what I am (perhaps foolishly) dreaming of is some kind of Linux self-sufficiency. I bought this machine in the hope of freeing myself from Apple and its likes... On 2015-07-14 10:28 PM, David Collier-Brown wrote:
On the mac, write them out as .rtf files. That's Microsoft's version-independant-mostly format for copying between different versions. Those should be openable on a newer Libre Office.
--dave
On 07/14/2015 07:04 PM, Malgosia Askanas wrote:
Dear All,
I just had occasion to open in Libre Office under Ubuntu 15.04 some (externally created) Europass CVs (with extension .doc), and LibreOffice made a real mess of them, overlaying lines over one another, etc. Can anybody suggest a remedy? The obsolete Word on my MacOS 10.4 system reads them perfectly...
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Hi Malgosia,
I just had occasion to open in Libre Office under Ubuntu 15.04 some (externally created) Europass CVs (with extension .doc), and LibreOffice made a real mess of them
This is strange, as Europass document templates are created and distributed as native ODF: https://europass.cedefop.europa.eu/en/documents/curriculum-vitae/templates-i... The ODT and Word .doc templates look clean to me on LibreOffice, so I wonder if the sender of your documents fiddled with the contents a bit. MS Word can do that. Europass is supposed to embed standard field definitions that map directly to a standard XML schema. It's possible that this could be recovered from your Word docs and the results reformatted. It's also just as likely that the creator of these documents broke them irreparably. cheers, Stewart
Editing odt in MS Word is a Known Bad Thing (;-)) It's obviously to Microsoft's advantage to cause competitors pain, and histoiricaly they've considered screwing up customers as a perfectly fine way to do that. --dave On 07/15/2015 08:00 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote:
Hi Malgosia,
I just had occasion to open in Libre Office under Ubuntu 15.04 some (externally created) Europass CVs (with extension .doc), and LibreOffice made a real mess of them This is strange, as Europass document templates are created and distributed as native ODF: https://europass.cedefop.europa.eu/en/documents/curriculum-vitae/templates-i...
The ODT and Word .doc templates look clean to me on LibreOffice, so I wonder if the sender of your documents fiddled with the contents a bit. MS Word can do that.
Europass is supposed to embed standard field definitions that map directly to a standard XML schema. It's possible that this could be recovered from your Word docs and the results reformatted. It's also just as likely that the creator of these documents broke them irreparably.
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On 2015-07-15 08:07 AM, David Collier-Brown wrote:
Editing odt in MS Word is a Known Bad Thing (;-))
Though it did produce this spluttering piece of hilarity from an MS booster: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/mac/forum/macoffice2008-macword/can-word... Yes, OOXML is an ISO standard, but ODF is too, and earlier, and doesn't have weird "even we don't know what this does" settings. For this reason, I keep a Win8.1 VM around (cheapo but legit licences can be had) and a $100 annual subscription to Office. Yeah, it's an MS tax, but if I need to read Track Changes documents exactly as they're supposed to be, it's worth it. Once a document has touched Word, I consider it irrevocably 'down converted', to use an old SGML term. cheers, Stewart
On 07/15/2015 08:30 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote:
Yes, OOXML is an ISO standard, but ODF is too, and earlier, and doesn't have weird "even we don't know what this does" settings.
There's a lot on Groklaw about how MS rammed OOXML through ISO and pretty much crippled the committee in the process.
For this reason, I keep a Win8.1 VM around (cheapo but legit licences can be had) and a $100 annual subscription to Office.
I can get Office 365 for free through work, but haven't bothered. They don't seem to have a Linux version available, so I'd have to run it in a VM or only on my notebook, when booted into Windows.
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 08:30:43AM -0400, Stewart C. Russell wrote:
On 2015-07-15 08:07 AM, David Collier-Brown wrote:
Editing odt in MS Word is a Known Bad Thing (;-))
Though it did produce this spluttering piece of hilarity from an MS booster: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/mac/forum/macoffice2008-macword/can-word...
Yes, OOXML is an ISO standard, but ODF is too, and earlier, and doesn't have weird "even we don't know what this does" settings.
For this reason, I keep a Win8.1 VM around (cheapo but legit licences can be had) and a $100 annual subscription to Office. Yeah, it's an MS tax, but if I need to read Track Changes documents exactly as they're supposed to be, it's worth it. Once a document has touched Word, I consider it irrevocably 'down converted', to use an old SGML term.
The nutcase in that link seems to be under the mistaken impression that OOXML replaced ODT as a standard. This is of course not at all how standards work. All it did was add another standard to pick from. All making OOXML an ISO standard actually did was make the ISO standard process no longer have any respect what so ever given clearly the process is now a joke that cab be bought. -- Len Sorensen
I have an HP Laserjet 1012. It prints 8.5x11 like a dream. Flawlessly compatible with Ubuntu, connecting directly via USB. http://www.amazon.com/HP-Q2461A-ABA-LaserJet-Printer/dp/B0000C1XHY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1435768875&sr=8-1&keywords=laserjet+1012 It's a bit pricey on Amazon, mainly because it is discontinued and still very popular. The PRO P1102w may be the replacement. It is also a USB printer: http://www.amazon.com/HP-CE657A-BGJ-LaserJet-P1102w/dp/B0036TGGVO/ref=sr_1_5?s=office-electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1435768959&sr=1-5&keywords=hp+laserjet&refinements=p_n_feature_five_browse-bin%3A5662328011 I have tested the European model, it works perfectly. Not sure if the North American version will work the same. I guess it should. JJ On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 at 13:58 Malgosia Askanas <maskanas@pair.com> wrote:
Dear List,
I am a new and green Ubuntu laptop owner in the GTA, and am wondering if you could recommend a b/w laser printer (preferably USB-wired) that would work smoothly with Ubuntu. As I discovered, my Lexmark E232 (that works beautifully with my Macs) is not (at all) Ubuntu-liked...
With many thanks in advance, Malgosia Askanas
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David Thornton wrote:
did we do the mediawiki talk already?
I don't think we have had a talk about MediaWiki yet.
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I run media wiki at home and at work.
I'm a big fan of media wiki.
I _might_ be able to do one , but not till September.
David
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Myles Braithwaite <me@mylesbraithwaite.com> wrote:
David Thornton wrote:
did we do the mediawiki talk already?
I don't think we have had a talk about MediaWiki yet.
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participants (24)
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Anthony de Boer -
Blaise Alleyne -
Bob Jonkman -
Christopher Browne -
Clifford Ilkay -
Clive DaSilva -
D. Hugh Redelmeier -
Darryl Moore -
David Collier-Brown -
David Thornton -
Evan Leibovitch -
James Knott -
Justin Julian -
Kevin Cozens -
Lennart Sorensen -
Loui Chang -
Malgosia Askanas -
Myles Braithwaite -
o1bigtenor -
phiscock＠ee.ryerson.ca -
Rick Johnson -
Stewart C. Russell -
Stewart Russell
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William Park