I have just installed Fedora 43 on my old laptop. Fedora 43 no longer provides X11. On the GDM login window, there is no longer a way to select window managers so that I can launch the FVWM I have been running since 1995, I think. X11 support will be phased out of future Fedora distributions. Apparently X11 is buggy, and no one wants to maintain it. I have spent the last thirty years making FVWM behave exactly the way I want it to. Now, I have to figure out Gnome_4, which I do not particularly like. Maybe I should look at KDE again. There appears to be no way to set up GDM to launch alternate X11 window managers. In the distant past, I have used SDDM to work around GDM's antics, but if X11 is being phased out completely... What happens to X11 applications? I am using LaTeX to prepare documents, and I use Xfig to do graphics. Xfig files can be converted to PostScript, PDF, and PNG from shell scripts and makefiles, so it supports web pages as well as LaTeX. I am using Xreader to read PDF files. I used to use Xpdf. Are there any other X11 applications people insist on running? -- Howard Gibson hgibson@eol.ca http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson